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10-18-2007, 10:55 AM | #1 |
Mommy to 3 Princesses Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: DFW Texas
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| Question about buying a puppy and steering away from puppy mills Im trying to help a friend find a puppy for his wife for Christmas and I need some input. I want to be sure to help him find a puppy from a nice reputable breeder and steer clear of anything that may be a puppymill, so my question is, in your opinion how many is too many adult dogs for a breeder to have? The reason I ask is I found a local breeder that has 15 adults, is this too many? She does not keep them in cages, they run around and interact and play all day but still that seems like a lot of dogs. I dont want to start anythign with this thread so please just let me know if you think that is too many and about how many adult dogs should a reputable breeder have so I know what to look for when helping out my friend. Thanks
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10-18-2007, 11:11 AM | #2 |
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| Puppy mills take puppies from their mothers at a very tender age, some even five days old, sell to pet shops. NEVER BUY from a pet store, you are only supporting this cruel busines of mass producing dogs under horrible inhumane conditions. Puppy mills OFFER to deliver. Puppy mills NEVER let you see their stock. Puppymills bread multiple lines, their focus is quantity. Reputable breeders breed one or at a max two lines, but most one |
10-18-2007, 11:25 AM | #3 |
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| When I was doing my search I found many people who wanted to meet me in parking lots to do the exchange. I steered away from them. I also asked for photos of the puppies and received one that showed a puppy with sawdust on its paws and tummy. My vet informed me that it is typical of puppy mills in our area-the dogs live in tiny pens in a barn lined with sawdust. I also asked to see the mother and father and where the pups were being raised. I found that asking many questions weeded out a lot of the puppy millers-they would be the ones that would keep dropping the price the longer I held out. Ask a reputable vet; they know the score. Charlene |
10-18-2007, 11:35 AM | #4 |
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| I'm certainly not an expert but my opinion is 15 dogs does sound like a lot but if they were all well taken care of then I wouldn't have a problem with it. If the dogs were healthy and the environment clean and the breeder was comfortable answering questions then the 15 dogs wouldn't concern me too much. I personally couldn't handle 15 dog properly but I'm sure some people can. What a nice hubby. What breed is he looking for?
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10-18-2007, 11:49 AM | #5 | |
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10-18-2007, 11:52 AM | #6 |
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| 15 sounds like an awful lots of dogs for a breeder to have. Maybe six or seven would seem normal. Is she willing to show you the father and mother of the dog as well as all the paperwork? It sounds a little bit like a puppymill to me even though they aren't in cages. When I got Penny she had 4 males and 4 females, so I could see how they were taken care of and who the parents were. I think you should keep looking.
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10-18-2007, 11:55 AM | #7 |
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| Well, as long as they seem well taken care of and healthy I dont think that is a "puppy mill" per se.. Maybe she has staff that help her raise all these dogs just go and see for yourself if you havnt already, although I gathered you have already been there, and ask about previous vaccinations, and if the puppies and adults look and act happy and healthy you should be fine
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10-18-2007, 12:03 PM | #8 |
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| I think it really does depend, if they are all very well looked after, are in good health, have good temperaments, are well behaved, play well with each other and interact well with the owner. Then I think its probably ok, I know someone who has 12 dogs, all very well cared for and loved immensely, she is not a breeder (they are all neutered) but some people can look after that many dogs well. |
10-18-2007, 12:06 PM | #9 |
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| It does sound like a lot of dogs but if she doesn't work outside of the home then it would be manageable. I'd ask if they minded if you spoke to the vet they use and maybe some previous clients. It's wonderful you are helping him in his search, one less puppy purchased from a pet store.
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10-18-2007, 12:11 PM | #10 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member | 15 dogs may seem alot to most but I have seven dogs of my own and normally I'm babysitting one or more of the dogs/puppies I've sold. I actually have had 12 in my house at once with the ones I watch. They are not locked up and are well behaved for the most part. Only one female of mine is still breedable as I limit it to two litters for the health of the mom. I would say if you saw the parents and the 15 dogs all seem happy and well adjusted then they are not a puppy mill. Here is a picture of 8 together 7 of mine and one I was watching for a week.
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10-18-2007, 01:04 PM | #11 |
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| That picture is adorable! Boy you have your hands full.
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10-18-2007, 01:27 PM | #12 |
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| I'm in Grand Prairie...sounds like the same type breeder I purchased my little guy from. PM me with the breeder's name, and if it's her, I'll give you some info about her. I have no complaints. I was taken back by the amount of dogs she has, but she takes very good care of them all. |
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