Rant on Yorkie Pricing

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

Yes. I have a question... What post are you all referring to because I'm confused!

Evidently the original posters last post was corrupted....the post came through the e-mail....I don't know what happened to the post.....

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Evidently the original posters last post was corrupted....the post came through the e-mail....I don't know what happened to the post.....

Okay... can someone tell me what it said overall? Not word by word of coarse, but the jiss of what he/she said? And it sounds like that person is kind of asking for controversy... I think he/she already understood the issue with the pricing of yorkies because he said that we didn't address what he really wanted to hear.. So what really was the point of this thread? Maybe we said something he/she already knew and wanted to know something different?

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

Okay... can someone tell me what it said overall? Not word by word of coarse, but the jiss of what he/she said? And it sounds like that person is kind of asking for controversy... I think he/she already understood the issue with the pricing of yorkies because he said that we didn't address what he really wanted to hear.. So what really was the point of this thread? Maybe we said something he/she already knew and wanted to know something different?

This what was said.......... Look below GRRRRRRRRR evidently they don't want to be educated so with that this person doesn't want sound advice so I'm done before I do get angry and like Mary said I'm more angry at myself for letting the poster get to me
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

So what I am getting is show breeders breed dogs to get as close to the standard as possible. In order to reach this level of perfection, they create litters of puppies which may or may not contain what they are looking for, incurring costs along the way that they subsadize by passing off what they consider an inferior specimen to the consumer. In order to maintain their breeding/show stock they pay exorbident prices for food, grooming products, and other materials of their own free will. These costs, which are purely the choice of the breeder, are also passed on to the consumer. Honestly at this point, I would not buy from one of these breeders. I think it is in poor taste to pass off your left overs at high prices simply to cover some show breeders overhead. I don't mean to sound superior, but I can afford to spend thousands on a Yorkie. I would never do it though. I would much rather rescue a Yorkie and pay vet bills. It may sound alturistic, but there is no way I am going to support some perfectionist who is trying to create some perfect standard, which is unattainable because there is no such thing as perfection. I don't have anything against anyone that does either. I am in no position to judge anyone else. I can only do what I think is right in life, and for me that is making sure in the future, when I consider getting another Yorkie, it is a dog that truly did not have a chance, not a show breeder cast off, although I feel just as sorry for that poor puppy.
This is the last I am going to post on this subject. I think I actually did get an answer, although I really had to read between the lines to get it. I have nothing against breeders that take care of their dogs. I don't care if they are show, back yard, hobby, or whatever, as long as they care for their dogs. I will never respect puppymill, pure profit breeders. I enjoyed reading through the posts, and though it sounds like I am trivializing how breeding works, it it didn't exist I wouldn't have Lick. I wouldn't put it on the same level as neccessary evil, but as the eternal search for perfection continues you will start inbreeding eventually and end up with such a small breeding pool that health problems will arise anyway. Imperfection is the hallmark of a successful species in that different carried on successful traits are what ensure the survival of the species itself.
Once again thank you all for weighing in, and I appreciate all of your opinions and information.
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[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

This what was said.......... Look below GRRRRRRRRR evidently they don't want to be educated so with that this person doesn't want sound advice so I'm done before I do get angry and like Mary said I'm more angry at myself for letting the poster get to me
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

So what I am getting is show breeders breed dogs to get as close to the standard as possible. In order to reach this level of perfection, they create litters of puppies which may or may not contain what they are looking for, incurring costs along the way that they subsadize by passing off what they consider an inferior specimen to the consumer. In order to maintain their breeding/show stock they pay exorbident prices for food, grooming products, and other materials of their own free will. These costs, which are purely the choice of the breeder, are also passed on to the consumer. Honestly at this point, I would not buy from one of these breeders. I think it is in poor taste to pass off your left overs at high prices simply to cover some show breeders overhead. I don't mean to sound superior, but I can afford to spend thousands on a Yorkie. I would never do it though. I would much rather rescue a Yorkie and pay vet bills. It may sound alturistic, but there is no way I am going to support some perfectionist who is trying to create some perfect standard, which is unattainable because there is no such thing as perfection. I don't have anything against anyone that does either. I am in no position to judge anyone else. I can only do what I think is right in life, and for me that is making sure in the future, when I consider getting another Yorkie, it is a dog that truly did not have a chance, not a show breeder cast off, although I feel just as sorry for that poor puppy.
This is the last I am going to post on this subject. I think I actually did get an answer, although I really had to read between the lines to get it. I have nothing against breeders that take care of their dogs. I don't care if they are show, back yard, hobby, or whatever, as long as they care for their dogs. I will never respect puppymill, pure profit breeders. I enjoyed reading through the posts, and though it sounds like I am trivializing how breeding works, it it didn't exist I wouldn't have Lick. I wouldn't put it on the same level as neccessary evil, but as the eternal search for perfection continues you will start inbreeding eventually and end up with such a small breeding pool that health problems will arise anyway. Imperfection is the hallmark of a successful species in that different carried on successful traits are what ensure the survival of the species itself.
Once again thank you all for weighing in, and I appreciate all of your opinions and information.
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Wow! Seriously...no matter what you say, how you say it, or how many times you repeat it, sometimes you just can not get things through people's heads. It's frustrating huh? This person has absolutely no idea how show breeders work and why they do what they do. They act like you're just breeding dogs and throwing the cast-offs away as if they're some mutated being. These "cast-off" puppies are still GREAT representations of the breed just might have a couple minor flaws, be a different sex than the breeder wants to keep, is too small, or just doesn't have that "it" factor that the breeder is looking for. These "cast-off" show breeding puppies are still much much closer to the standard than most puppies bred by hobby breeders, BYBs, and Puppy mills. I for one would want the breeder's dogs and my puppy to have been fed the best foods possible, had the best grooming products used on them, etc... And the whole purpose of showing is not to incur costs to pass on to the buyer. It's to make sure the dogs being bred meet the standard and are great representations of the breed and worth breeding. And that does take money. These dogs also have to be health tested which requires money, and I for one would hope that the parents of my puppy would be health-tested, as well as the puppy. In a few years when I get out of vet school and am able to finally get my next puppy, I hope one of you amazing show breeders will choose me to be the home of one of your babies.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

This what was said.......... Look below GRRRRRRRRR evidently they don't want to be educated so with that this person doesn't want sound advice so I'm done before I do get angry and like Mary said I'm more angry at myself for letting the poster get to me
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

So what I am getting is show breeders breed dogs to get as close to the standard as possible. In order to reach this level of perfection, they create litters of puppies which may or may not contain what they are looking for, incurring costs along the way that they subsadize by passing off what they consider an inferior specimen to the consumer. In order to maintain their breeding/show stock they pay exorbident prices for food, grooming products, and other materials of their own free will. These costs, which are purely the choice of the breeder, are also passed on to the consumer. Honestly at this point, I would not buy from one of these breeders. I think it is in poor taste to pass off your left overs at high prices simply to cover some show breeders overhead. I don't mean to sound superior, but I can afford to spend thousands on a Yorkie. I would never do it though. I would much rather rescue a Yorkie and pay vet bills. It may sound alturistic, but there is no way I am going to support some perfectionist who is trying to create some perfect standard, which is unattainable because there is no such thing as perfection. I don't have anything against anyone that does either. I am in no position to judge anyone else. I can only do what I think is right in life, and for me that is making sure in the future, when I consider getting another Yorkie, it is a dog that truly did not have a chance, not a show breeder cast off, although I feel just as sorry for that poor puppy. This is the last I am going to post on this subject. I think I actually did get an answer, although I really had to read between the lines to get it. I have nothing against breeders that take care of their dogs. I don't care if they are show, back yard, hobby, or whatever, as long as they care for their dogs. I will never respect puppymill, pure profit breeders. I enjoyed reading through the posts, and though it sounds like I am trivializing how breeding works, it it didn't exist I wouldn't have Lick. I wouldn't put it on the same level as neccessary evil, but as the eternal search for perfection continues you will start inbreeding eventually and end up with such a small breeding pool that health problems will arise anyway. Imperfection is the hallmark of a successful species in that different carried on successful traits are what ensure the survival of the species itself.
Once again thank you all for weighing in, and I appreciate all of your opinions and information.
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After that I know that the person was asking for trouble...

To the red part: it seems like you are anticipating your dog having to have high vet bills.. Why keep mentioning a comparison between vet bills and purchase price?

To the green Part: They said clearly that if you don't like there prices then go elsewhere... It doesn't seem that you are listening but that you have your thoughts and are not changing them. You're your own person so you can choose to take in what people say or not. But isn't that the whole point in asking for people opinions on the prices?

To the Orange Part: Why would you even say that? You have no idea what their life is and why they price their babies the way they did... I also guess that your breeder just cast off her baby to you just to make money or cover cost for something...

To the purple part: Good. Your helping a dog in need. But why not do that in the first place?... There has to be a reason. Was it to get a cast off from your breeder? Don't like when people say that huh?!?


I have more to say but have to do something but still.... I don't mean to be rude but sometimes people ask for it.... Sorry, everyone else!!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

After that I know that the person was asking for trouble...

To the red part: it seems like you are anticipating your dog having to have high vet bills.. Why keep mentioning a comparison between vet bills and purchase price?

To the green Part: They said clearly that if you don't like there prices then go elsewhere... It doesn't seem that you are listening but that you have your thoughts and are not changing them. You're your own person so you can choose to take in what people say or not. But isn't that the whole point in asking for people opinions on the prices?

To the Orange Part: Why would you even say that? You have no idea what their life is and why they price their babies the way they did... I also guess that your breeder just cast off her baby to you just to make money or cover cost for something...

To the purple part: Good. Your helping a dog in need. But why not do that in the first place?... There has to be a reason. Was it to get a cast off from your breeder? Don't like when people say that huh?!?


I have more to say but have to do something but still.... I don't mean to be rude but sometimes people ask for it.... Sorry, everyone else!!!

You can now understand why Donna and I were angry at ourselves.....we fell into a trap.....but, time and effort wasn't entirely wasted, I enjoyed the interaction with everyone else.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You can now understand why Donna and I were angry at ourselves.....we fell into a trap.....but, time and effort wasn't entirely wasted, I enjoyed the interaction with everyone else.

Yes, I understand. But I'm only sorry that I had to post that for everyone to see... I hope he/she does see what I post so that they can see that what they said was just wrong and they could have worded it so much better. I'm also sorry that that rudeness came out.... I'm a bubbly person at heart but when people are rude, the rudeness just comes out. I like to defend someone when they are wrongly put down.

[chris_e]

Thanks for reposting, I lost my internet connection halfway through posting.
That said.
Cripes, I am going to have to clarify myself, which I didn't want to do as I have made up my mind on the subject, but for the sake of clarity and lowering heart rates, I will write again.

The way I am reading it, there are three basic types of breeders. There are the show dog breeders, hobby or backyard breeders, and the purely for profit or puppy mill breeders.
Show dog breeders charge more, on average, because their cost per litter is higher with all the expenses to produce a show dog. The breeder, in trying to breed the perfect Yorkie charges, more for her time and effort and because the litter parents are show winners and have a name for themselves. This leads to litters that may or may not meet the breeders expectations. I am not challenging the attachment to the puppies. God knows I want every puppy I see, regardless of breed. All I am saying is that even pet quality puppies from show breeders, on average cost more.
The backyard, or hobby breeder have a couple of litters a year because they enjoy having puppies around or there is a whoops. While they care dearly for their dogs, it looks to me like they go one of two ways in price determination. They either charge more because their dogs are sired by a named dog and they follow the trend of the show breeders, or they charge less to place their puppies in loving homes and keep the breed popular. There cost per litter is lower because they aren't running a full time breeding operation.
Lastly the purely for profit breeder or puppymill breeder cares nothing for the breed, puppy, family it goes to, or anything but his bottom line. They look at the highest prices charged by show breeders and add to it. Their interest lies only in money made.
I am not saying there is a better breeder among the first two types, while the last type I think everyone abhors. While I think the show dog breeders will always charge more, there are going to be anomalies where a hobbyist charges more, or a show dog breeder charges less. I wasn't trying to be controversial. I am just trying to get the lowdown on pricing. While show breeders can sit and say that they are in it strictly for the puppies and go the pious route, ultimately I think they charge enough to cover their costs. They are trying to breed the next show winner for whatever reason, be it they are competitive, want to make some money, bragging rights, or name recognition for their next generation of potential show winners. I know the breeders on the board are going to go nuts when they read this, but look at it from the consumers point of view. Some feel buying a name brand is better, some feel the bargain is the way to go. You can buy a Vette or you can buy a Honda. You can research or you can impulse buy. If you got the money you can do whatever you want. It is the USA, you can buy whatever you want. I just wanted to know how you came to a dollar amount. I have made up my mind on how it is done. I can't make up anyone elses. Everyone on here needs to make up their own mind. Judging on responses this is obviously a subject that alot of people have questions on. THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM GOING TO REPLY TO THIS THREAD. If anyone wants to discuss this topic or my opinions further, I will answer my PM's.

Once again, thanks to all who offered opinions, answers, or thoughts.
In the immortal words of Vanilla Ice, "Peace to your moms! We out!"

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

Yes, I understand. But I'm only sorry that I had to post that for everyone to see... I hope he/she does see what I post so that they can see that what they said was just wrong and they could have worded it so much better. I'm also sorry that that rudeness came out.... I'm a bubbly person at heart but when people are rude, the rudeness just comes out. I like to defend someone when they are wrongly put down.

Thank you....That's another thing that show/breeders develope; scales on our backs...thick skinned comes with the territory.....we do get angry, but most of the time we attempt not to be rude or crude in our responses.

[ketters12]

Like I said before, not everyone will agree, and some won't understand, but it is still a positive thing to try and educate people....that is what this forum's purpose is!! right? I think the post started out at the high prices for yorkies? But once people understand the cost that are involved in having a litter and caring for the puppies until they are ready for their forever home, it makes more sense to me. only one thing i am still confused on... and maybe it has to do with the fact that yorkies are small and therefore cannot have as large of a litter as say- a golden retriever or german sheppard. Is that what makes the prices higher? I don't have a problem with the prices, because the pups are worth every penny. I think all of us with a yorkie would agree?? right??!! but it is sad that some of us can't afford them as easily as others even though we'd be able to take care of them just as well as someone who can afford thousands. I guess us poorer people with lots of bills and life to pay for, will just have to set up a special "puppy savings account" If I did that now and saved 5% of my income, I could by a $1,500 puppy in approximately 18 months. and i work full time and have a college degree! but people that help out at-risk teens are not well paid

[mistyinca]

From that poster's rant it sounds to me like the whole explanation was completely and utterly lost on him/her. I don't think it will sink in.

There is a wall.

[ketters12]

errggg... Sorry, didn't mean to vent about my personal life and frustrations with my job. forgive me.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by ketters12

errggg... Sorry, didn't mean to vent about my personal life and frustrations with my job. forgive me.

I said on another thread....If I find a perfect home for one of my pups, I've been known to adjust prices. This is one of the reasons I don't like to discuss my adoption fees out the gate........money is not the prime objective here.. finding my happy, caring forever homes for my pups that I place is my #1 concern.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by chris_e

Thanks for reposting, I lost my internet connection halfway through posting.
That said.
Cripes, I am going to have to clarify myself, which I didn't want to do as I have made up my mind on the subject, but for the sake of clarity and lowering heart rates, I will write again.

The way I am reading it, there are three basic types of breeders. There are the show dog breeders, hobby or backyard breeders, and the purely for profit or puppy mill breeders.
Show dog breeders charge more, on average, because their cost per litter is higher with all the expenses to produce a show dog. The breeder, in trying to breed the perfect Yorkie charges, more for her time and effort and because the litter parents are show winners and have a name for themselves. This leads to litters that may or may not meet the breeders expectations. I am not challenging the attachment to the puppies. God knows I want every puppy I see, regardless of breed. All I am saying is that even pet quality puppies from show breeders, on average cost more.
The backyard, or hobby breeder have a couple of litters a year because they enjoy having puppies around or there is a whoops. While they care dearly for their dogs, it looks to me like they go one of two ways in price determination. They either charge more because their dogs are sired by a named dog and they follow the trend of the show breeders, or they charge less to place their puppies in loving homes and keep the breed popular. There cost per litter is lower because they aren't running a full time breeding operation.
Lastly the purely for profit breeder or puppymill breeder cares nothing for the breed, puppy, family it goes to, or anything but his bottom line. They look at the highest prices charged by show breeders and add to it. Their interest lies only in money made.
I am not saying there is a better breeder among the first two types, while the last type I think everyone abhors. While I think the show dog breeders will always charge more, there are going to be anomalies where a hobbyist charges more, or a show dog breeder charges less. I wasn't trying to be controversial. I am just trying to get the lowdown on pricing. While show breeders can sit and say that they are in it strictly for the puppies and go the pious route, ultimately I think they charge enough to cover their costs. They are trying to breed the next show winner for whatever reason, be it they are competitive, want to make some money, bragging rights, or name recognition for their next generation of potential show winners. I know the breeders on the board are going to go nuts when they read this, but look at it from the consumers point of view. Some feel buying a name brand is better, some feel the bargain is the way to go. You can buy a Vette or you can buy a Honda. You can research or you can impulse buy. If you got the money you can do whatever you want. It is the USA, you can buy whatever you want. I just wanted to know how you came to a dollar amount. I have made up my mind on how it is done. I can't make up anyone elses. Everyone on here needs to make up their own mind. Judging on responses this is obviously a subject that alot of people have questions on. THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM GOING TO REPLY TO THIS THREAD. If anyone wants to discuss this topic or my opinions further, I will answer my PM's.

Once again, thanks to all who offered opinions, answers, or thoughts.
In the immortal words of Vanilla Ice, "Peace to your moms! We out!"

Obviously you're not reading all the replies to this thread or you would have seen several times that the show breeders on this thread have said that most show breeders charge LESS than a lot of BYB/hobby breeders. Yes, some charge higher than average, but a lot charge less. And it's not about buying a "name brand" animal - it's about buying a quality, healthy dog that meets the standard of the breed!

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Obviously you're not reading all the replies to this thread or you would have seen several times that the show breeders on this thread have said that most show breeders charge LESS than a lot of BYB/hobby breeders. Yes, some charge higher than average, but a lot charge less. And it's not about buying a "name brand" animal - it's about buying a quality, healthy dog that meets the standard of the breed!

That's why I asked why the thread was created. He/She seem set in their ways and isn't trying to listen (read) the other post. When asking a aren't you suppose to listen to the answers? Yes but he/she seemed to only want to think one way and not give anyone a chance to explain