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08-27-2007, 06:27 PM | #1 |
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| Do I have to put her down? Well, I've started Molly with a new trainer. I guess actually I'm the one being trained! lol Anyway, first they told me she has to be on leash all the time - no exceptions! She has to be under my control or in her kennel so there is no chance she can attack anyone. (Molly bit a stranger when we were on vacation - see thread under training section.) Then we have to relearn all her commands so that she obeys instantly all the time. She has to learn to walk on leash (heel). I wasn't worried about that before because we live in the country and I never "walked" her - she was allowed to run in a large yard. But now - no freedom! She is working alone with me and the trainer and then with other dogs and people to add distraction. She was very good last week - did not react to the other people or dogs which was very good. But she didn't do well with the commands and wouldn't take any training treats. Things she does nicely at home, she wouldn't to there. So - we'll keep workiing! If she bites again, my son and DIL (with whom I liive) will insist she be put down. She has bitten before - when my daughter had her she bit a neighbor boy who teased her (the only time she's drawn blood.) Then she nipped the pant ankles of a delivery man, a man working on the house, and a friend stopping by. She's done inhibited bites on the family here when they've done something she doesn't like. My DIL really does NOT like her, but I love her dearly and with me she is sooo sweet and loving. I can do anything with her and she doesn't get mad at all. But I hate it she she acts so aggressive towards a stranger, barking and growling! What do you think? Is she hopeless? Will I have to put her down? (I'm sobbing as I type this.....) Kathy |
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08-27-2007, 06:34 PM | #2 |
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| I wouldn't put her down!!! I'd find some other way to handle the situation, but it wouldn't be THAT. I know it must be hard for you and sometimes when you have others pressuring you it's even more difficult to train her - because of the pressure. I don't really have a suggestion for you. I would rehome her before I'd put her down though. I hope it works out for you.
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08-27-2007, 06:36 PM | #3 |
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| I wouldn't put her down. I would keep working on training. It's also not like she's a big dog - she's a little yorkie. She isn't going to kill someone - just supervise her and don't let her around strangers.
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08-27-2007, 06:37 PM | #4 |
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| No, you do not have to put her down. That's one thing I have learned from watching The Dog Whisperer and the way he rehabilitates the toughest cases. He once worked with a Bichon Frise that bit (attacked) its owner. When the dog tried to bite, rather than withdrawing his hand like most people do, he grabbed (gently) the dog by the scruff with one hand while using the other hand to gently lay her down on her side - a submissive position. After doing this several times, the dog stopped biting. If you are not able to do this, please rehome your dog rather than putting her down. Someone else can help train her not to bite. You can even contact The Dog Whisperer and maybe he will take your case. http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/ |
08-27-2007, 10:12 PM | #5 |
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| I wouldn't put her down. I think she just needs to be very carefully supervised. If there are people in the house, ect she needs to be crated, then let out only on a leash with you so that you can correct her when she acts out. Do not give her the opportunity to bite anyone and keep working hard with the trainer . |
08-27-2007, 10:20 PM | #6 |
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| I know this probably sounds bad, but how about re-homing the DIL? haha..j/k, good luck to you and your fur baby! It sounds like everyone on here has GREAT advice for you...I'm sure things will work out for you and your fur baby.
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08-27-2007, 11:08 PM | #7 |
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| No, you don't have to put her down. There IS hope that you - with help - can redeem this situation. If all else fails, though, contact a rescue organization. Many will take a dog who bites.
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08-28-2007, 01:52 AM | #8 |
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| There is absolutely no NEED to put her down. Toby has issues with aggression with people but is getting better as long as they allow him to greet and meet them on HIS terms which I do not find anything wrong with. He is very aggressive to other dogs and we are working on that by finding calm dogs and having them sniff and be sniffed. Your situation is going to take a lot of time and effort to correct but even if you are not up to the task, please do not put your dog down. Release him to a rescue group who will work with him and place him in a home where aggression will not be an issue. Please let me repeat: THERE IS NO NEED TO PUT YOUR DOG DOWN!!! That is tooooooooooo extreme for a behavior problem that I am sure can be fixed. Think about letting her go to rescue.
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08-28-2007, 03:01 AM | #9 |
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| I would give her more time with training. If worst comes to worst I would give her to a rescue. You dont have to put her down
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08-28-2007, 03:40 AM | #10 |
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| I'd keep on working with her now that you've got it started. Ask your trainer for his honest opinion about the situation. How long will it take, does he think it's something that can be done, but don't put her down. I'm sure there's someone who would want her if it came to that.
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08-28-2007, 05:09 AM | #11 |
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| I wouldn't put her down! Training is going to take some time. DOn't give up on her. Keep on!!! You can do it. |
08-28-2007, 05:24 AM | #12 |
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| I am sorry but putting her down does not have to be an option. She sounds very terrier to me and some of her actions are very normal for some yorkies. Granted she is a little over the top but I have one just like her. He bite a child and was turned over to the humane society. If I did not take him then he would have been destroyed as they cannot adopt out a known biter. It has taken a great deal of work with Munchie to build his trust level and to make him feel relaxed. I still will never trust him completely so I never put him in a situation that will drive up his fear levels. He does not go to public places where he is frightened or where he feels he must defend me. If it does not work out then I would give her to a very reputable rescue that works with dogs like this. I would not rehome her yourself as the problem could get worse in a new home because she is frightened and you could be sued. Sorry folks but just because she is little doesn't mean the bites don't hurt and that animal control won't destroy her for biting. I would also be very careful on the training methods and if you trust your trainer continue working with him/her to see why she is fear biting. This is very serious and many yorkies have been put down for these reasons. I am not a fan of Cesar's when it comes to Yorkies as it takes a very experienced person to understand fear levels and I believe some of his methods just drive up the fear levels in these little dogs. He does a fabulous job with many of his large breed dogs on his show but they are excercised over 5/6 hours a day. Many yorkies do not like children so I would definately keep her away from any child. I would also guess your dog knows your son and dil do not like her so this does not help the problem. Your yorkie is protecting you from the delivery people and doing her job as she see's it. This is not an easy situation to overcome but with a lot of positive training and going slowly she can be changed. It will not happen overnight and you will have to put in hours everyday. I wish you a lot of good luck and hard work but if you see nothing is changing then please consider a reputable yorkie rescue before putting her down. Many of these little ones can be saved from death with the right people.
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08-28-2007, 09:18 AM | #13 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota, USA
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| Thank you all for your concern and your advice. I think she is smart and will change. Already she's settling down and, surprisingly, not resisting the leash at all. She's learning to walk on the leash very nicely. You all seem pretty certain that her's is a fear aggression. She can be the sweetest, most affectionate little thing. Her barking during the day has really settled down too - probably because she can't stand by the patio door and bark at everything she sees. She and I are working on this all the time. If anything, our bond is growing! I will keep you informed on her progress... Kathy |
08-28-2007, 09:22 AM | #14 |
Aubrey's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Georgia
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| Thats awsome. Wishing both of you luck! |
08-28-2007, 09:42 AM | #15 |
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| I just bought Brad Pattison's online e-book and I swear by it. It is making a HUGE difference in my two dogs. He trains without treats and his methods make so much sense. If you are ALPHA to your dog, the aggression will begin to take care of itself. We are doing his 'umbilical' training and it's changing my dogs so amazingly...they don't dart out the door anymore, etc. I have some minor aggression problems with Topher that I wanted to nip in the bud...that's why I bought his e-book. It's helping like a miracle. Check out bradpattison.com Along with the book you also get two lengthy audio interviews that also help and a workbook. It's great 'cause they're available immediately to you online. There's no question that it's alot of work, but I'm learning that it sure is worthwhile!! Hope this helps. |
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