Studding question.....

[Lady of Yorkies]

One of my breeders told me today that if I only have one surviving puppy to a litter that the studs mom is supposed to let me keep the surviving pup and do the next breeding for free. I have never heard that before. The stud mom and I made an agreement that it would be for $500 or a pup. Have things changed so much since I was last breeding? Sylvia

[YorkieRose]

Breeding rules are not like the Ten Commandments, written in stone.
It is whatever you agree upon before the breeding.
Some show breeders are very fair and charge no more then $400/$500 for their fine champions. Giving up a pup would be unwise to do in that case.

I know of no show breeders who charge like many pet breeders I talk
with..one pet breeder in Orlando wanted $2400 fee or a pup, others want the price of a pup..that could be $2000/$3000.
Some show breeders only accept pick of the litter and that is fine, as you know beforehand.
Some will give a free return if there is one pup, some will give a half price fee next time..this is with the same bitch.
If there is one pup in the litter and you agreed to return a pup, most I know will allow you to pay the regular fee and keep the pup.
Most stud contracts state..One puppy constitutes a litter. The male is not responsible for the number of pups..the female is the one who ovulates the eggs..the male can only fertilize what is there..if the sperm count is low, you do not get a small litter, you get no litter.
So I feel my male had done what was expected of him, he fertilized all the eggs the bitch ovulated...be it one or six..good luck

[Lady of Yorkies]

I'm not trying to be offensive or anything but how do you know for a fact that low sperm count means no litter? Couldn't he get lucky now and then and produce one or two pups? I need to know because someday I plan on being a breeder. Sylvia

[feminvstr]

oregon is $650 for champion stud fee (on average) with that if your bitch only has a litter of one then next stud fee is waived. Second time if only one then youre done!

[Lady of Yorkies]

feminvstr - Kimberly:
Oh, hey!!! Do any of the studs moms send sperm? Do you personally know any of them? Do you have any idea how this works? Cause I haven't a clue. LOL Sylvia

[feminvstr]

Hi Sylvia its call AI and that too is not cheap and far more risk. I have not done it but know of many breeders that have. If you dont have a seasoned vet to help, you are throwing good money away.

Sire and dam must both be present during the extraction of semen and the insemination of the bitch.

http://www.akc.org/reg/artificialinsemination.cfm - this will help explain it

[YorkieRose]

Sylvia...I have had several vets tell me this..of course it is not impossible for a male with a low sperm count to sire a litter, it is not usual.

Kimberly, I read that...I am confused as to how breeders ship semen all over the world..the bitch can not be with the male if he is in the USa and the dam in France etc..I was going to use a male in another state and the breeder said she would ship semen to my vet. Has the rule changed do you think? I have 2 friends with litters now from shipped semen???

[feminvstr]

Pat when its shipped from all over the world its usually frozen I know that's what mansmor has done in the past even from California.

I suppose fresh semen is for local dam/sire that cant seem to do the dance

I was considering fresh semen with my new little stud or other option was a scheduled appt with another stud. Benz continued to ignore my girl, until I turned my back making coffee the next morning and "they were in love"

[Lady of Yorkies]

So, Pat, how can you tell, without going to the vet immediately, if it's the male or the female? How many times do you try the male and female with different partners before you figure out if they are good producers(correct word?)? Also, do you know how much the semen shipped from France was supposed to cost, with shipping and everything? Do you find that with frozen semen you get fewer puppies? I know you don't have personal experience, but maybe the people you know can answer that for me?

Kimberly, Do you think your little girl just wasn't quite ready yet?

How long have each of you been breeding? I know that you Pat have been doing it for a while, were you always into Yorkies? Sylvia

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies

So, Pat, how can you tell, without going to the vet immediately, if it's the male or the female? How many times do you try the male and female with different partners before you figure out if they are good producers(correct word?)? Also, do you know how much the semen shipped from France was supposed to cost, with shipping and everything? Do you find that with frozen semen you get fewer puppies? I know you don't have personal experience, but maybe the people you know can answer that for me?

Kimberly, Do you think your little girl just wasn't quite ready yet?

How long have each of you been breeding? I know that you Pat have been doing it for a while, were you always into Yorkies? Sylvia

Not every males sperm can be frozen. Why I don't know Vet says that it is a genetic thing. With frozen sperm often No gaurantee of a litter. With frozen semen the vet will often due a small incision into the female and place it directly in her-very different from the standard AI. I am told the direct implant improves the chance of pregnancy.

Most of the breeders that I know - will take thier males in once a year for the vet to due a sperm count. Cuts down on not knowing if the male - is sterile or has a low count.

I was going to consider using frozen semen from a old male Ch. that has been dead for quite some time. By the time I got all the figures for the sample, shipping, vet costs, it was close to $2,000.00 with no guarantee of a puppy. It was too salty for me.


I have never had to look at fertility problems with a female so I am not sure what kind of testing would be done- or if vet would just due hormones.

Wnalegria

[YorkieRose]

I have bred for over 30 years...and honestly have never had a sterile male. It is not that common in a health dog. I had one female who was bred twice and no pups. Most healthy females will produce litters.
I do not offer an unproven male at stud. If the breeding misses I am fairly certain it was bad timing or the bitches problem..thatis why another service is offered. I have had only had 3 stud service females miss twice.

A male is not fertile one week and not the next,then fertile the next week.. if he is well. I have been told bad teeth and gum infections can lower the sperm count..but look at puppy mills studs..few ever see the vet for teeth cleaning an produce pups monthly. It is important to keep the teeth and gums healthy whether it effects productivity.

As to shipping semen from France or any other country besides Canada. I would not do it. I, perfer the quality of the Yorkies here in America. The English Yorkie is a quality Yorkie, but they are bred to carry their tails down and that is a big drawback in the Usa.

[feminvstr]

fresh semen runs about $125 for extraction and the same for insertion here in oregon. My vet has had great results with regular vaginal insertion.

"fresh chilled" charge $400-$600 which includes ovulation timing tests and bloodwork. They do fresh chilled from coast to coast. Vet has had good results but some disappointing.

http://www.hilltopanimalhospital.com...s%20frozen.htm

this above link is a very good read listing all procedures.

Your little girl if it was her first heat (i hope it wasnt) may not have been ready. If it was her second heat she should have been receptive, perhaps it was the stud that wasnt ready. Sometimes its all in the environment if you attempted the breeding at her house he may not have been comfortable.

As far as my breeding experience...I was raised in a breeding family..I have been whelping puppies since about 10 years old. Mother bred toy poodles primary but also bred boxers when I was very young . I remember at 2 years old our boxer Janey would not leave my side (stuck like glue since I was born) she ripped off my diapers when they were dirty so mom would change them and never let me off the lawn she would bark if I went near the street, Janey was my forever body guard until she passed.

Mother never showed, family bred for about 25 years. Breeding the tinest poodles youve ever seen, amazing and wonderful little creatures and smart as hell. I had 2 litters of maltese in the late 90's and then changed to Yorkshire terriers. I am commited to Yorkies nothing more and I love every minute of it!

[Lady of Yorkies]

Pat, Geez, could you imagine how much it would be (even here in the states) for Cede Higgins? How are your pups tails? I have one, Pirogue, who holds his tail up. Always has, I used to call it his little black flame. It was sooo cute. He is too big to breed. I was looking for a large female to breed pets for families with small children, but he's headed for 10 1/2#. I wish I could breed him. He has a perfect topline, perfect form. BUT he is big and his ears don't stand, his coat is short and he is blond and silver. I know the blond and silver wouldn't stop him from being shown but all the rest........ I read some where about a 3 fault rule to use and I think from now on when I look at puppies I'll use it. I don't know how accurate it will be with pups but I can at least try. Oh, hey, if I use the 3 fault rule on the parents, each, do you think that will cut down on faults on pups or is it one of those things where you just have to look at what you've got? I mean if I go to a breeders home to buy a pup and am checking them out.

I come from a family of on and off breeders. My mom bred Dashounds(sp?) when I was little. Then when I was in my teens she bred Poodles, lots and lots of Poodles. In between she bred this and that, including fish. I, myself have bred Poodles and Cockers before Yorkies. I don't think I'll be breeding anything else either.They just have so much personality and act just like kids with selective hearing. LOL Autumn Rose smiles at me and is my baby. I'm trying to teach her to say Mama but she looks at me like "I don't think so." Then I get kisses to make up for it. LOL

Why would they breed dogs to carry their tails down and then have to hold them up in the show ring? Kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? Sylvia

[Lady of Yorkies]

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