Originally Posted by TLC (Post 1191521)

I read that Tanner was in his cage from 10 pm until 5:30 pm - And that they were upset that they had to bath him everyday cause his was lying in his urine and poop.

Sorry, but that's not crate training, IMO that is neglect. And I don't think that's right and it certainly upset me thinking about poor Tanner in that situation.

Then I read that "Chris" usually leaves him in the crate for an additional hour until Heidi gets home - And he wonders why "it" doesn't like him as much as he like Heidi.

He came here for advice, and I hope they stay and learn, but their practices so far on how to treat and train Tanner have upset me and others - B/c we care so much for the wellfare of these little guys.

All these things were posted by them, how could people not comment? This is a public forum.

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 1191532)

I've been reading all these posts and have only one thing to say. When you have a child that you feed, bathe, buy lots of nice clothes and toys for, it isn't enough unless you take care of their mental and emotional needs as well. If that is not met then I have to say would fall into neglect. I see some fur-kids that are suffering from neglect. Dogs are social animals and not to be locked up in a crate all those hours.

Originally Posted by Mitzis Mom (Post 1189289)

"And Chris does love the puppy and want the best for him (we are not rehoming him). Like I've mentioned before we've thrown around the play pen and x-pen idea and we're definitely loving that."

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Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1189312)

Hi Heidi,
If the crate training thing isn't working out, you could try keeping Tanner somewhere like a master bathroom. It should be a big enough area to keep a pee pad, water, bed, food, etc. And the floor is probably tile, so that would work out in case he has an accident. Good luck with the potty training thing!! I know it can be hard sometimes. But it sounds like you are being patient with him. Yorkies are such special little guys aren't they?

Originally Posted by Anna Banana (Post 1189487)

When I read this post by "Chris" I was just stunned. I see that not only does he treat that precious little puppy like an "it", he treats his fiancee that way too. I suppose there's nothing wrong with it if Heidi doesn't mind, but I certainly couldn't put up with that...

Originally Posted by TLC (Post 1191554)

I totally agree with you.

I myself never used a crate, they have one, but they only have 'cage match wrestling' in it. I contained mine in a spare room while I was at work (for about the first year). Yes, I am gone on average 10 hours a day. Yes, part of thinks they didn't deserve that kind of life, it makes me sad at times, b/c I want them to be around people more...But, now that they have free run down stairs while I am gone, they just sleep the day or look out the window at everything going on outside.

Do mine have some 'mental' problems b/c of this??? Probably so. :(
I am still battling poop eating (here and there), but it used to be everyday!
TJ barks pretty much at ALL movement outside. Roxy has mild anxiety.

Mental health is just as important as Food/Water/Shelter.

Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1189476)

But crate training is letting your dog out at regular intervals. It's not locking your dog up all day. And you don't put pads in the crate - the crate is so they learn not to eliminate and then you immediately take them outside to the correct place to eliminate. I crate mine when I'm not home, but that's for their safety and usually less than 3 hours a day.

chardjo - You said you want to train him and then let him roam free? That will not happen with your current setup. You need to hire a professional dog walker or take him to doggie daycare or do something. He will not train himself. There are professional dog walkers that are insured and bonded just like a cleaning service Do a little research and I'm sure you'll find a reputable one.

I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't have a Yorkie. But if you want a reasonably well trained one you need to make sacrifices. When Loki was a puppy we couldn't leave him alone for more than 2 hours. That meant we couldn't even go see a movie for about 6 months. We won't kennel them and don't feel like dumping them on our family so we don't go on vacation unless they come. We leave events early to go home and spend time with them. We *constantly* watch the clock when we are out shopping or whatever to make sure they don't stay in their crates too long. My husband mostly works from home but if he has a meeting or something they go to daycare or I come home from work and let them out at lunch (and give up my lunch to drive 20 mins each way). Yorkies simply cannot be left alone, whether in a crate or a pen or a bathroom, for 10 hours during the day and then all night. (Please clarify - do you work so far away that you can't come home? Why is Chris so opposed to a dog walker?)

Maybe you are willing to make those types of sacrifices, but Chris made it sound like Tanner "it" was in the way of "Chris and Heidi time" and that he could be put away like a doll. He came on a board full of Yorkie lovers - people who spend all day talking about their dogs, posting pictures and videos of their dogs, discussing what their dog's poop should look like (!!!) and he made it very clear that he didn't like your dog, "it". Then he countered every suggestion we had with a reason why that was not possible or why he didn't like that idea. I'm not quite sure what he thought would happen????? :confused:

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1191142)

I didn't see the picture of Tanner...can you post one here please?

Originally Posted by Anna Banana (Post 1191582)

No, no, no, she wasn't talking about people in your situation at all! You do the best you can for your babies, and we all know that when you're home, you're all theirs, and you love them dearly. Love and affection is what yorkiedaze is talking about. She's talking about being available for them the minute you get home, and loving them. In his first posts, it was clear that Nodak was neglecting these basic needs of Tanner. He is improving by leaps and bounds by just trying to make a better home for Tanner, but its still not healthy for any creature, animal or human to be considered nothing more than an "it."

Thank goodness Chris and Heidi care enough to try to improve. :D

Originally Posted by LunasMomma (Post 1191343)

It's funny, but I don't really see how Nodak was overly rude:( I may have missed that post, however:laugh: My take on it is that he has a sarcastic sense of humor, as I do. I do, though, most of the time, refrain from posting my smart-alecky comments and rephrase so that I don't hurt anyone's feelings.

Whatever the case, he came here for support, and if he didn't care for the pup, he would not have bothered. My hubby didn't want us to get Isabella, but now he's totally in love with her and can't imagine ever letting her go:love: These little furfaces tend to melt even the most hard hearts:D

Originally Posted by chardjo (Post 1191596)

I really wanted to post this... This is a response to all the posts that go along with this subject..


Here's the thing.. CHris does love Tanner. The problem that he had was everyone was just telling him to do one thing and that was to get rid of Tanner. I'm sorry, but there are other options and yes they will be done.. But most of you gals could not get past the crate. And no questions were even asked about the crate.. The size..What was in there.. ECT.

Chris has never had a dog or a puppy.. SO he never knew what to expect. I of couse as I have mentioned before have had a few... He came here to get pointers and learn some new things. He was definitely deterred from that and it got to the point where just liked to come here to listen to you ladies comment on how he was treating the dog. Which I can tell you is nothing like he says.

Plus.. Tanner grew to be scared of Chris.. Now chris is 6'3 and little tanner is no more than 5 inches off of the ground, so I can see how intimidating that can be. So Chris was extremely frustrated with that situation.
Update on that situation: Tanner actually has put his ears up while near Chris.. It's a huge step.

ANyways... regardless of who was at fault and the insults that were thrown.. I am definitely Heidi.. And chris is definitely Chris.. We are definitely two different people.. I have my own opinions and he does as well. He is definitely sarcastic and once he knows that he has your goat.. He will keep prying.. Just for future refrence.. ALthough he is banned forever.

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 1191603)

He isnt banned hes suspended for 7 days. It is the 1st tme hes been suspended so thats the amount of time they suspend you for. He had to be attacking someone to be suspended

Originally Posted by chardjo (Post 1191605)

When he signs on it says.. something along the lines of you are banned and will be able to repost.. NEVER ... lol

Originally Posted by daisy mae06 (Post 1189341)

I hope that is true here is what he said......


Originally Posted by NODAK http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
Oh...and in case you want further proof the dog doesn't come before me, daisy-mae, all I have to do is tell Heidi I want "Chris and Heidi" time....

...and she puts away the dog immediately and comes upstairs with me. No asking twice. Seriously, putting a dog before your significant other is silly.

(Edit: And I do that sometimes just so I don't have to have the dog around me. Works like a charm.)

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1191685)

what you guys are all forgetting it seems,is that he posted another outrageous thread after this one. and maybe you didn't even get to see his thread because several people reported it and it got deleted(before many people saw it) and that is why he is suspended. i am referring to his thread a couple of nights ago where he was saying that people who lose their yorkies should be slapped senseless to make them wake up. he posted that and was EXTREMELy rude and opinionated. it was in very bad taste considering that we have two little lost yorkies on this forum right now. one because the owner was worn out from getting ready to move and just dozed off asleep.
He portrayed himself as the perfect dog owner and just kept talking about these people with lost yorkies being so ignorant. That is what did it for me. yes, I am a YT veteran but i can tell you right now that i don't agree with the handful of you that say wipe the slate clean and start over. Evidently, some of you have not seen that thread. As for this 'veteran', I don't mind if he stays suspended or banned forever. The wonderful people on this forum that have had the misfortunate to lose one of their dogs, don't deserve to have to put up with this. Accidents happen and who does he think he is to comee on this forum and start bashing these people ass if they aren't hurting enough..

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1191713)

Wow, I don't think I saw that thread...

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1191685)

what you guys are all forgetting it seems,is that he posted another outrageous thread after this one. and maybe you didn't even get to see his thread because several people reported it and it got deleted(before many people saw it) and that is why he is suspended. i am referring to his thread a couple of nights ago where he was saying that people who lose their yorkies should be slapped senseless to make them wake up. he posted that and was EXTREMELy rude and opinionated. it was in very bad taste considering that we have two little lost yorkies on this forum right now. one because the owner was worn out from getting ready to move and just dozed off asleep.
He portrayed himself as the perfect dog owner and just kept talking about these people with lost yorkies being so ignorant. That is what did it for me. yes, I am a YT veteran but i can tell you right now that i don't agree with the handful of you that say wipe the slate clean and start over. Evidently, some of you have not seen that thread. As for this 'veteran', I don't mind if he stays suspended or banned forever. The wonderful people on this forum that have had the misfortunate to lose one of their dogs, don't deserve to have to put up with this. Accidents happen and who does he think he is to comee on this forum and start bashing these people ass if they aren't hurting enough..

Originally Posted by chardjo (Post 1191580)

He doesn't ever talk to me like that.. He was just saying this stuff to get your gals riled up.. Trust me.. I would not put up with that. He has learned.