Beware Of This Breeder!!!
 

I got my baby Gia yesterday. I paid $700 for her because she had a hernia. No problem, it's fixable. Well, after I started playing with her and giving her a bath last night, I thought it was possible that she might have a roached back. b_veselka is a WONDERFUL PERSON! :D Very helpful. She knew the breeder that I got Gia from. I was able to make contact with a very reputable breeder here in my town through b_veselka and took Gia to her.

Yes, she has a roached back. I called the breeder while I was at Paula's house and told her what I found and that I wanted to bring her back. The breeder refused to take her back! She started arguing with me and I told her fine, I'll just turn her in as a breeder that sells dogs that aren't worth a da**. Mind you, I was very upset at this point. All yorkies are precious but I was planning on breeding Gia and I don't want to now because of her back.

The breeder called me back and said that there was nothing wrong with her. I reminded her that I had noticed that not only does she have a roached back (strike #1), but she also has a slight underbite (strike #2) and her hernia (strike #3). I have not even had this dog 24 hours.

The breeder's name is KATHARINE ENDRESS She lives in ODEM TX Do not buy from this lady. She even lied to me about the mother's size!! :mad:

so what are you going to do with her ??

I am going to sell her as pet quality with limited registration. I'm going to charge what I paid for her. $700 is a good price for a pet quality pup. The breeder doesn't want her back! She was just a nasty person!

I bought Mya from a woman who bought her with intention to breed her with her male.
Her male hated Mya and so she sold her to me. I made sure we had a 24 hour vet check agreement before paying for her. I wondered why I was getting a bargain and if the story was true about her male (she did in fact show me her male's reaction to her) I was lucky that Mya is perfect in every way. My vet is the same vet for provincial champion. I feel extra lucky as she would not give up Mya's papers. Will you disclose to the next purchaser why you no longer want the puppy?

My Baby was also sold to me at a discount because she had a hernia, but it was on a spay contract. I have heard that hernias are genetic...so you really wouldn't want to breed a pup with a hernia anyways. Well good luck and let us know whenever you find her a good home!

I had this in my computer -

For internet ripoffs with yorkies….

Det Larry Smith
US Secret Service
LVECTF
600 Las Vegas Blvd S
Suite 700
Las Vegas NV 89101
(702) 388-6571

Before I got Sydney I had fallen in love with another yorkie on Sydney's breeders web-site. When I explained I hoped to breed someday she quickly told me that the puppy I had been interested in would not be good because of a hernia. She explained the same thing that a puppy with a hernia would not be good for breeding.

Hi, I am sorry to hear about your dog and all of the problems you are having with her breeder. I hope that you find her a good home. I try to learn as much as possible about yorkies and have never heard of a roached back before. Could you please tell me what this is? Thank you for the information.

WAR EAGLE!!!!!

:) Reagan :)

Roach Back
 

I am sure a lot of people will tell Diesel's Mommy what a Roach Back is, but I just think that it's great to list what kind of bad breeders (and good, too!) are out there. Same goes for Vets, too! I never realized how much you need to know to breed Yorkies. Don't try it unless you are willing to learn. My friend and I are building a breeding business, and we started 6 yrs. ago and we still consider ourselves beginners. You absolutely do need at least one handler, a mentor and a lot of energy.
When you "stack" your puppy, take a look a his back from the neck to the tail. You want it to be straight as a pin. If it curves upward in a place, that is a "Roached Back". It is thought to be heriditary, and not desireable. It's one of the first thing the judge will notice at a show. You can tell sometimes, by watching your Yorkie walk, but stacking is the easiest way. :warning:

Red Vett! I saw your smilin' Yorkie, Cute!! Tell me more about the policeman's interest in Yorkie ripoffs online, we just sent a woman in Alabama, clear across the country from us, a lot of money to bring us a pair of Biewer Yorkies from Germany, and I thought what the heck are we doing? What if she rips us off?

yes I will disclose everything that I know about her. I do not want the next person to think that breeding her will be okay.

Thank you !! She really does smile like that too !

On the policeman's number - that's a number I found when I was writing people on a bad breeder and I saved it for some reason - I can't remember why cause it was last year in July - but it never hurts to contact ALL the people you can - someone will listen eventually.

Hi Reagan! A roach back is when their spine curves. Hinda like a hunch back. It is hereditary and might not show up for several generations.

hi if your not keeping her you better get ird of her fast. even if you are planning on breeding her you won't want to give her up. you can't believe how fst you get attached to them!!

Thanks for the info!

WAR EAGLE!!!!!

:) Reagan :)

I KNOW! She is absolutely precious! I told my daughter today that we weren't going to keep her and she got upset. :(

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but how could you call her your baby if you are getting rid of her so easily based on a couple of faults?

why dont you keep her as a pet and get another one to breed ??

A informative website for you....
 

Just wanted to add to this post..I bought from a bad breeder as well and filed a claim against her. For florida there is a Pet Lemon Law which im sure is in every sate. I went to my states website: http://www.doacs.state.fl.us/ai/main...mon_main.shtml and it has a lot of good information. I filed a claim against the breeder I bought from and will be taking her to a small claims court. In the pet lemon law (you can read it on this website) it states that you can give back your dog to the breeder within 14 days or something like that, you'll have to read it. Just thought I'd let you know. Good luck.

Wow i didn't know what a roach back was either, but i think my little gidget may have one. she is way to small to breed, but I just bred one of my other yorkies to Gidgets father which may have the roach back. I have a lot to learn obviously. This lady who owns the father of my gidget sells her pups for $800 and females $850. I will be sure to take a closer look at him next time i see her. She wants one of my females pups. Gidgets mom, sugar has a straight back but gidget looks like she has a hump on hersin the middle.

Sounds like she may have it, too. Take her to the vet if you are concerned about it. I've learned my lesson the hard way. If a pup is standing up, you should be able to run your hand across it's back and not feel any curves. I should not have been so quick to jump on this one. And yes, when I do sell her, I am planning on being totally honest with ANY buyer.

Unfortunately, the State of Texas doesn't have this law. I did a google search. Although it did list several states that have this. :(

Yes i think honesty is always the way to go. I probably want be breeding either of my two females with this lady's dog again. Now i have a litter of puppies comming in July that i will have to have checked out for the roach back. Anything else i should look for besides the bite and roach back? We have some crazy people around here that don't care what they sell to people as long as they make a buck.

The lady that I took Gia to today also check her hips and said that she has very narrow hips. Not quite sure what that means but she probably would have a hard time delivering pups if she was bred. Also, bad knees are common and also a genetic defect...oh, and I've heard that hernias are too.

A roach back would not qualify as an ill pup. Some are over angulated in the hind end so their backs roach up. Some really can straighten out when they want to but pull in and hump over. The hernia was disclosed prior to purchase.

My contract would have stated the pup needed the repair at spay. The pup is pet quality only and this should have been discussed prior to the sale. I hope you find a good pet home for her.

If you really want a breeding quality Yorkie you need to wait and get a pup 6-12 months old. No one can guarantee an eight week old pup will be breedable. Many things can go off between 3 months and a year old.

breeding defects
 

The lady who has the male i bred my two dogs to has been known to breed tiny yorkies and have c-sections. I would never do that. I bought my first yorkie from her and she died a couple of months later. I didn't have an ortopsie, but i feel like it might have been shunts. I bought another yorkie from another lady and i have never had any problems with her. I shouldn't have bred her with the first lady's dog, but she told me since the pup i bought from her died that i could breed for free. She ended up having two females and i gave one to my daughter and kept the tiney one. They both have humps on their backs. I just thought that was the way some yorkies were shaped, but i did take notice to it.Thanks for the information. :animal-sm

I am so sorry for all the problems it's so emotional when buying a pup...

we look at how cute they are, how playful, how they come right to you, next thing you know that puppy picks you, kisses you, wont leave your side! We tend to lose focus about quality and buy on emotion.

Getting so wrapped up in the purchase, the excitement overwhelms you, oops you take him home and you've over looked the faults of a pet.

there two responsible parties here...

the buyer and the seller...

the buyer has the responsiblity to gain as much knowledge of the breed before they buy. While the pricing varies the quality of the pup does too!

the seller (breeder) has the responsiblity in sharing as much knowledge as possible of the pup she has raised and to be honest (not all are) ASK YOUR BREEDER QUESTIONS have her show you the qualities of the dog.

Show her your knowledge of the breed, let her know you are a true fancier!!

As she grills you about personal things about you as to the best placement of her dog, grill her back on the qulaity of her pet she is selling.

keep emotions tucked away when youre looking for good quality. Always take a pup away from his litter mates when you look at him/her. A good quality pup at 12-14 weeks sometimes younger will stack on his own his ears should be up and his tail too (sometimes called a gay tail if too far up but never considered a fault). He is showing his pride when he stands!

Stack your pup yourself its easy to do or ask the breeder to do this for you...

take him/her to a solid surface place a couple fingers under his neck and the other hand place right under his/her tail (that will show or not a roach back). Instead of looking at only what a cute face he has look at his muzzle and notice his jaw line...althought this is still no guarantee. Since your buying while puppy teeth exist the adult teeth could reek havoc creating an under or over bite that wasnt their before.

If you dont notice the faults on a used car when you drive off the lot the salesperson isnt going to point them out and SAY DONT BUY IT after you signed a contract!

That's why I say it is both parties responsiblity, the buyer to understand the breed look for the faults, if the seller doesnt answer your now informed questioning to your satisfaction then go to the next breeder...

JMHO

I hope you are able to resolve it
good luck

ps

never buy without a contract you are spending your hard earned money demand one and understand what the contract extends to you as a buyer.

Any reputable breeder will have a clause for return. Mine is 72 hours, but to tell you the truth if you decide you dont want my baby at 4 months I would take him back...

I dont want a pup in a home where they would resent their selection and perhaps take it out of the poor pup. Or even worse a buyer then resells the pup again not identifying the faults of the pup, it could become a vicious circle.