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chachi 12-19-2006 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy22
I think you all are very nice people. Never wanted to start anything negative but that comment wasnt the first I ran into. Regardless I will try to ignore the bad I come across. Just so you know I dont support the the breeders producing the tiny ones for big bucks. I got my guy for next to nothing because he wasnt wanted because he was so small. Ironic I got him for under 300 and some would have paid big $$ I will try to get pictures of him on here soon and of my other one. Their names are Oliver and Jacob.

It sounds like you had a good breeder. Just enjoy your little one. I think they are precious

red98vett 12-19-2006 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy22
I truly hope you are right but I do hope you can see why others would take it wrong.

Try spending some time in SICK And Emergencies - It's hard to read the many posts by someone who bought a very tiny yorkie and come to find out they're having seizures or hypoglycemia and the worst - Liver Shunt. You'll also see alot of support by the same people you think are bashing....

There are yorkies of all sizes who get sick... but MANY emergency threads are about tiny ones - Sometimes it's only out of lack of knowlege that a dog is sick - other times it's genetic and totally the breeders fault.

I think lots of us get upset with all the so called breeders out there cashing in on the tiny craze... and that's why we're seeing so many sick puppies these days ... it's the dogs and the people who love them that suffer. But as long as the prices of yorkies are thru the roof - we're going to see even more sick yorkies.... and that's the biggest shame.

ytsirk27 12-19-2006 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett
Try spending some time in SICK And Emergencies - It's hard to read the many posts by someone who bought a very tiny yorkie and come to find out they're having seizures or hypoglycemia and the worst - Liver Shunt. You'll also see alot of support by the same people you think are bashing....

There are yorkies of all sizes who get sick... but MANY emergency threads are about tiny ones - Sometimes it's only out of lack of knowlege that a dog is sick - other times it's genetic and totally the breeders fault.

I think lots of us get upset with all the so called breeders out there cashing in on the tiny craze... and that's why we're seeing so many sick puppies these days ... it's the dogs and the people who love them that suffer. But as long as the prices of yorkies are thru the roof - we're going to see even more sick yorkies.... and that's the biggest shame.



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mandy22 12-19-2006 09:21 AM

When I got my first york I was told he was going to be standard size. I had to ask what that was. I just thought he was cute. Really didnt know much about the breed. After having him for a few years I learned about the breed and saw many being sold for $$$ and thought that was sad. By accident I came across my smaller york. Never even wanted another one but my heart went out to him and now I cant imagine him not being around. Both boys are healthy and happy. I hope you all enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

abbie's mom 12-19-2006 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RLC12345678
If you are going to get a small yorkie, do not patronize those breeders who breed teeny tinies to produce teeny tinies. Look for a breeder who breeds within the standard and happens to produce the smaller ones. There are lots of those breeders out there and those are the ones that produce the healthy tinies. ;)

AMEN! :goodpost:

red98vett 12-19-2006 09:23 AM

I didn't mean to go off on a tangent:eek: lol - but I personally know of a breeder selling puppies from a dog that is known to have seizures - and others I've seen breeding little 3 to 3-1/2 lb females and brag about it - and even someone who bred a TWO lb yorkie :thumbdown

and let's NOT mention the websites that scream Teacups for thousands and thousands of dollars ......those are the GREEDERS I'm talking about & those are the people who give the real breeders a bad name.

mandy22 12-19-2006 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett
I didn't mean to go off on a tangent:eek: lol - but I personally know of a breeder selling puppies from a dog that is known to have seizures - and others I've seen breeding little 3 to 3-1/2 lb females and brag about it - and even someone who bred a TWO lb yorkie :thumbdown

and let's NOT mention the websites that scream Teacups for thousands and thousands of dollars ......those are the GREEDERS I'm talking about & those are the people who give the real breeders a bad name.

Oh I agree with you completely. I got my little boy so cheap because they didn't want him in the breeding program. The breeders use dogs that are only 4-7 pounds. They are against tiny yorks but do end up with them here and there. My friend actually bought my little boy first but he became too much for her and I bought him from her. She has a son thats only 6 and that wasnt the best dog to go with. She learned from her mistakes and was smart enough to find him a better home. That was my luck and she still gets to see him since we are good friends. :D

red98vett 12-19-2006 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy22
Oh I agree with you completely. I got my little boy so cheap because they didn't want him in the breeding program. The breeders use dogs that are only 4-7 pounds. They are against tiny yorks but do end up with them here and there. My friend actually bought my little boy first but he became too much for her and I bought him from her. She has a son thats only 6 and that wasnt the best dog to go with. She learned from her mistakes and was smart enough to find him a better home. That was my luck and she still gets to see him since we are good friends. :D

:) ...Well - now you need to post pictures of him !

bdbmamaw 12-19-2006 10:37 AM

I breed yorkies and I like my pups to be over 4 lbs when grown. If I know they are going to be smaller (especially the females) I will sell them with a limited registration. (NOT TO BE BRED!) While you try to control the size of the pups, you do get some small ones. I usually don't sell to people whoes first question is "Are they going to be tiny?". That definitely sets warning bells off in my head. I talk with my buyers frequently from the time the pups are sold (usually 3-4 weeks old) until the time they actually go to their 'forever' homes (12 weeks old). So I get to know the new owner's really well. And many of us continue to stay in touch. I hope I never have a bad experience. (Note: one of my pups was so tiny I couldn't believe she was alive. But she surprised us all. I was honest with the person interested in her. I told her that the puppy was very tiny and would require more care and more visits than normal to the vet to insure she would not have any health problems and offered her another pup from a future litter. She thanked me for being honest with her and we decided to hold off all payments (including the deposit) till we knew how this sweet baby would do. She amazed both the vet and myself with how well she did (no health problems). And because I got to know the new owner so well through frequent phone calls with updates, I sold this pup to her for vet costs only because I knew she was going to a good, caring home... with someone who would not even think of breeding her. She also paid my airfare to hand deliver the pup as she could not get away long enough to drive down to me and we wanted to meet each other face to face.) So please know, that 'tiny' does not always mean 'money' to some of us. I want the best for my babies and I get REAL nosey when I interview anyone interested in one of my pups... LOL.

ytsirk27 12-19-2006 10:41 AM

You sound like a very responsible breeder. :) I want to say welcome also!!:D :D

JiggityJig 12-19-2006 10:55 AM

Ditto....where is Deer Park, Texas?! Do you have a website?!

I have a very tiny yorkie, and I have NEVER felt insulted by any of the comments here about them.

I think that we all see "warning bells" on all the "am looking for a small yorkie" threads. People who are SPECIFICALLY looking for "teacups" usually end up buying from BREEDERS who are specifically BREEDING for those tiny sizes, often without regard for other health issues, and yes, those dogs do often end up having physical issues.

I've heard that the "accidental" tinies that occur sometimes in litters are generally much more healthy than ones who were DELIBERATELY bred for. That is the case with my Mazie. She is less than three lbs., and has been incredibly healthy and robust, esp. considering the rough start she got in life.

HOWEVER....she was killed (and I do mean KILLED!) when a HAND CALCULATOR was dropped four inches, onto her head! It's a long story, with an ultimately happy ending, since we were able to do CPR and bring her back around....but it certainly was a reminder of HOW fragile the lives of these little ones are.

Welcome to YT....I hope you stay around and are able to notice that, while "too small" or "too big" often comes up in BREEDING discussions, when we are just talking about our beloved PETS, ALL sizes are adored and admired here. :)

Morkie4 12-19-2006 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bdbmamaw
I breed yorkies and I like my pups to be over 4 lbs when grown. If I know they are going to be smaller (especially the females) I will sell them with a limited registration. (NOT TO BE BRED!) While you try to control the size of the pups, you do get some small ones. I usually don't sell to people whoes first question is "Are they going to be tiny?". That definitely sets warning bells off in my head. I talk with my buyers frequently from the time the pups are sold (usually 3-4 weeks old) until the time they actually go to their 'forever' homes (12 weeks old). So I get to know the new owner's really well. And many of us continue to stay in touch. I hope I never have a bad experience. (Note: one of my pups was so tiny I couldn't believe she was alive. But she surprised us all. I was honest with the person interested in her. I told her that the puppy was very tiny and would require more care and more visits than normal to the vet to insure she would not have any health problems and offered her another pup from a future litter. She thanked me for being honest with her and we decided to hold off all payments (including the deposit) till we knew how this sweet baby would do. She amazed both the vet and myself with how well she did (no health problems). And because I got to know the new owner so well through frequent phone calls with updates, I sold this pup to her for vet costs only because I knew she was going to a good, caring home... with someone who would not even think of breeding her. She also paid my airfare to hand deliver the pup as she could not get away long enough to drive down to me and we wanted to meet each other face to face.) So please know, that 'tiny' does not always mean 'money' to some of us. I want the best for my babies and I get REAL nosey when I interview anyone interested in one of my pups... LOL.

:aimeeyork WELCOME TO YORKIE TALK :aimeeyork AND ALL YOUR INFORMATION..........SURE IT WILL HELP SEVERAL READERS TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT SMALL YORKIES AND EVEN MORE SO ABOUT CERTAIN BREEDERS.:thumbup:

Kaluiah 12-19-2006 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ytsirk27
actually theres alot of healthy 90 pound humans....lol

lol I'm one of them and pregnant at that..

BLowry 12-20-2006 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mandy22
Again not trying to start anything. I do consider someone saying all tiny yorks are unhealthy as a form of bashing. Some people on here have dogs that are very small. My one is 3 pounds and when I read a comment like that I am offended. My boy is healthy and that isn't something I enjoyed reading. The person that made the comment doesnt know every tiny york in the world so why make a comment like that? I do find the comment offensive and I think any person with a smaller york would agree.



I don't have any idea what post you are talking about but, I have NEVER read a post on here saying tiny yorkies are unhealthy! and even if they did I wouldn't consider it bashing...this is a forum with many members..you are going to get all kinds of responses and opinions and we ALL give our opinions...I have read people having unhealthy tinies as well as standard size yorkies...I personally wouldn't want a dog that small...I have 2...Sadie is 6 lbs and Lillie is 4 and I am constantly looking down when I walk..6 lbs may be bigger than 3 lbs but it is still a small dog..

You can't take everything personal that is said on here...

with that said...Welcome to YT...

second wind 12-20-2006 06:47 PM

When we got Heidi we did not know how big she would be and as it turned out she is 3.5 lbs and is almost 5 years old and is very healthy with no serious problems. I think a lot of the things that bring people to refer to smaller yorkies as unhealthy are certain breeders than advertise tea cup yorkies as a selling feature and specifically try and breed them to enhance the smaller size of yorkie, when in fact there is no such thing as a tea cup yorkie and some of these yorkies that are bred to be smaller reflect health problems more readily. They come in all weights shapes and sizes when bred under normal conditions.

MY 2 cents SW

Amber_lv 12-20-2006 06:54 PM

Welcome Mandy i was wondering are you from 4 women talk? If so then i know you yay! If not sorry for the mistake lol.Well i wanted to say a lot of us are here to help each other and learn things we don't know and for the most part we do really well we are a family here and we care deeply for the yorkie breed but we also care about the well being of the other members here. We like to give advice to new members or if we're new we like to get advice but remember this is a public forum and some people don't know how to say what they mean without being rude or contradicting and we all need to remember that helping each other is what this site is here for. You will always have those few people that like to stir up the pot we usually just ignore them and move on. I do hope you like it here. There are a lot of great members willing to do just about anything to help you and your baby so welcome to our family!:thumbup: :D

FlDebra 12-20-2006 07:08 PM

I Know What You Mean....
 
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Originally Posted by mandy22
The comment was this........

"Please don't get a Yorkie that is too small. Just as humans must weigh a minimum amount, so must Yorkies. If they weigh less than about 4 pounds as adults, their organs become too tiny to be healthy. There is no such thing as a "tea-cup" Yorkie, and responsible breeders won't sell them.

You wouldn't want a 90-pound adult human, so don't get a 3-pound adult Yorkie!"

I remember feeling much as you describe when I read that post. But there are all sorts posting and the vast majority are pretty good folks with good information. Sometimes people read a little and then think they know a subject. This one may have meant well but was out of line. I keep reading that the standard is 4-7 pounds too and that is not true -- it is merely under 7 pounds which puts all the tinies within standard. I have had the occasional thought too that there seems to be too much negative towards the smaller Yorkies. It is mostly about breeding them, but not all. Seems like a few want to make people feel guilty if they want a tiny Yorkie. Maybe there is a jealousy factor in there for some, I don't know.

I want smaller Yorkies too. I love the tininess! I picked my male because he was healthy, cute as a button and on the small side. I picked a female that will probably be larger than him but I hope not too big. All of the parents were @ 4 pounds. I also have a Jack Russell that is on the small side and a minature dachshund -- see a trend? :) Yes, I love the small dogs.

There is a book called The Complete Yorkshire Terrier by Joan Gordon and Janet Bennett that shows a Champion from the early 1900's that is only 1 3/4 pounds! He looks very healthy! You are very right -- there is a big difference between being more susceptible to injury and being unhealthy.

I think the majority feel this way -- just a few want to lord it over others about the smaller weights. There is so much great information, comraderie, care, concern, friendship, laughter and fun here -- don't let an occasional wayward post keep you from enjoying this place! There is plenty of room for those who prefer tiny and those that prefer larger Yorkies. I think most just love them all! I know I do!

tangobango 12-20-2006 07:22 PM

My baby that I get on New Years day is the runt of 6 puppies. I'm glad that I got pick for she will be scrutinized continually for any problems. I am an RN. OK I am a human RN but I will be able to see any problems that come our way as I have educated myself and am committed to her well being. I did not pick her because of her size. ( 8oz at 5 weeks). I picked her because she was a sweetheart. She loves to play with her siblings but she also loves to snuggle, no squirming. Her parents are about 5-6 lbs each. So if she was to be an outcast in the yorkie community it would only be because she is the runt of an otherwise normal breeding result. I am paying no more no less for her than any of her brothers or sisters. They are all valued equally and all cost the same.

chachi 12-20-2006 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tangobango
My baby that I get on New Years day is the runt of 6 puppies. I'm glad that I got pick for she will be scrutinized continually for any problems. I am an RN. OK I am a human RN but I will be able to see any problems that come our way as I have educated myself and am committed to her well being. I did not pick her because of her size. ( 8oz at 5 weeks). I picked her because she was a sweetheart. She loves to play with her siblings but she also loves to snuggle, no squirming. Her parents are about 5-6 lbs each. So if she was to be an outcast in the yorkie community it would only be because she is the runt of an otherwise normal breeding result. I am paying no more no less for her than any of her brothers or sisters. They are all valued equally and all cost the same.

She still may grow to 5 or 6 lbs. I have one that was 12 oz at 8 weeks and she is 6 lbs now. She was the runt too. According to the weight chart she should have been 3 lbs

tangobango 12-20-2006 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi
She still may grow to 5 or 6 lbs. I have one that was 12 oz at 8 weeks and she is 6 lbs now. She was the runt too. According to the weight chart she should have been 3 lbs

I don't care what she will weigh. She is and will always be my baby.:yelrotflm :angel: :2hearts2: :happyboun :hug60: :hearts6:

chachi 12-20-2006 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tangobango
I don't care what she will weigh. She is and will always be my baby.:yelrotflm :angel: :2hearts2: :happyboun :hug60: :hearts6:

Mines the baby also always has been always will be. They are so sweet when they are tiny like that

wnturner 12-20-2006 08:08 PM

Don't worry. I'm new to YT too and I've looked through the threads. There's only been one time thus far someone has been outride rude and banned from the site. Other then that there have been some "questionable posts" but for the most part if someone was offended they stated so and the person usually apologized and stated there intention. The only people I've seen "blasted" with no remorse were careless breeders. Don't take it personal the support and good advice far outway anything else. :)

doortego 12-20-2006 08:32 PM

Welcome Mandy
 
Glad to have you on YT and I for one agree with you. I too have been upset about the comments made about tinies. I don't know that mine is considered a tiny since she's close to 4# now but I have also felt uncomfortable with a lot of the "tiny" or "teacup" remarks. Particularly those that say they are under standard when there is no minimum size for Yorkies.

I do agree that the smaller Yorkie females should not be bred particularly because there is such a variation in Yorkie sizes. I feel it is very irresponsible to risk your pet's life just because you want puppies and certainly wouldn't want to support a breeder who practices such.

yougetthesmiles 12-21-2006 06:35 AM

I think you have to be cautious with tiny Yorkies, I to have a 3lb baby and I'm constantly having to say "watch out for Lillie"
There was a thread on here awhile back where a lady has or may had, dont remember if the Yorkie lived or not, but she was helping her daughter do her homework and they were using a calculator and it dropped on the Yorkies head and knocked it unconscious.

Me personally, I have had a 6lb Yorkie and now my 3lb Yorkie and I love both sizes, just with the smaller ones comes a little more work.

Hope you stick around here, this is a wonderful place with some truly wonderful and amazing people!

BamaFan121s 12-21-2006 06:42 AM

Please tell me I didn't see it suggested that people who give warnings and cautions others about tiny Yorkies do so because they are jealous of those with small ones.:eek: EVen if it was a joke... That is one of the most absurd things I have heard in a while!:confuse2:

red98vett 12-21-2006 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s
Please tell me I didn't see it suggested that people who give warnings and cautions others about tiny Yorkies do so because they are jealous of those with small ones.:eek: EVen if it was a joke... That is one of the most absurd things I have heard in a while!:confuse2:

I saw that and laughed it off - most all of us wouldn't trade our yorkies ANYTHING ....we love them no matter what the size. There is no way I'm jealous of anyone with a tiny - But - I AM jealous of all the people with NEW puppies Waaaaaa.....I want one so bad !:D

jvwheeler 12-21-2006 07:07 AM

Mine are almost 5# and almost 10#. Under my breath, I prefer the bigger puppy. I don't worry about her so much. I don't have to track whether she eats (I have to make sure she doesn't eat too much). She is rambuctious and I don't worry about her getting hurt, she is definitely not fragile.

My "teapot" (I love that!) is sweet, gregarious, wonderful, loving, smart and well-behaved.

My boy is almost 5#, frequently stepped on or nearly so, timid and I am constantly checking to make sure he gets his food, returning his treats to him, and protecting him from our 7# cat. But he is a great companion for Ginger--which was the original reason I got him. They spend hours upon hours playing. I just worry about him more. And my hubby and I both have lap warmers.

But they are both loved and just a teensy bit spoiled.

Maizee Grace 12-21-2006 07:09 AM

I haven't ever seen anyone bash anyone on this site, which quite frankly surprised me. On every other forum I've been a part of, people will yell at you for bumping your posts, saying something wrong, or not searching well enough for a question. They are especially fiesty if you disagree with their opinion but I have not found that here at all. I LOVE it!! I have a small yorkie as well (a little over 2 pounds) and no one has said that it was bad. They say take extra precautions when they are puppies and make sure they don't fall, but other than that, small yorkies are fine. I haven't run into any more problems than my friend with two 10 pound yorkies has. I agree when they say no breeding of itty bitties, but that's about all that would be limiting.

Kathy LaMar 12-21-2006 07:40 AM

I have two female yorkies. My 2 year old weighs 3 1/2 pounds and the 3 year old weighs 2 1/2 pounds. Both are very healthy. We didn't buy them because of their size, but because we fell in love with them at first sight. We have a wonderful vet, but shhhhhhhh.....we always tell the girls that we are taking them to the Pediatrician.

Of course, everybody begged us to let them have puppies so that they could have one. Knowing that they both are way too small, we had both girls spayed.

The only time we really worry about them getting hurt is when we have guests because Lexi & Cricket are so excited by company and we worry about someone stepping on them. However, we have 4 grandkids, ages 12 - 3 and they are excellent around the girls knowing that they can get hurt easily.

We also never let our girls go outside alone since we live in the country and have hawks, coyotes, and just about anything else you can name.

Big or small, I am convinced that the Yorkie is by far the most wonderful dog in the world. What lucky people we are to be so blessed with these little creatures!

FlDebra 12-21-2006 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s
Please tell me I didn't see it suggested that people who give warnings and cautions others about tiny Yorkies do so because they are jealous of those with small ones.:eek: EVen if it was a joke... That is one of the most absurd things I have heard in a while!:confuse2:

I am sorry if I did not word that well, but why be insulting? I was answering another mention of a possible jealousy issue. I said maybe, I don't know. No one could really know another's motives. I reread my post and I can't believe one line was taken out of context and pounced on like that :( when I made it so abundantly clear about my overall feelings of this place. I would ask what purpose that served -- just to try to ridicule a person? If that had been the main theme of my post I would understand. But one line out of context?

Please don't confuse the two things going on. There are a lot of caring folks who try to nicely advise of the very real extra precautions needed with little ones; that politely tell newbies about the dangers of getting a puppy from too small a mother, the dangers of thinking of breeding a tiny mother, the risk of surgeries and the like. That is the majority! Then there are a very few who are a lot more assertive saying things like tiny Yorkies are unhealthy and try to insinuate anyone wanting a smaller yorkie is uncaring, stupid or both -- some give a specific weight that is acceptable! :(

I don't think most would want to trade off their Yorkie (I first wrote no one would -- but then I remembered a post from someone wanting to sell their slightly large Yorkie in hopes of finding a smaller one! Now that was an EEK for me.) But it is possible that some are sort of like the person with rounder kids saying something negative about those with thinner kids. They don't want to trade kids but maybe in the back of their minds they would want something to be different. Most are very happy with their own dogs size, whatever it is -- and those folks submit the nice cautions about little ones because they are thinking of the dogs and the owners!

Most here post good warnings and cautions and I can see how those people would think this thread was off the mark -- but everyone is not posting with the same tone. I think it was a valid concern. I have already read thousands of posts so for me .... it was a small bump in the road -- but if someone happened to catch a few of those more derogative posts in a row, they might have more concern. Others might have missed them completely and not even understand this thread.

I don't even know how large mine will wind up to be as the two I now have are puppies. But if they stay little, I am betting they will be healthy as they are now, if too little I will spay/neuter and love them for all their lives. If they get large, I will just spay/neuter and love them for all their lives! Some have preference over large or small Yorkies. I prefer the small, but I can love any size. There is plenty of room on a forum for a lot of diverse opinions and preferences (without calling anyone or their posts absurd) -- that is what makes it interesting, informative and entertaining.

I hope that I conveyed that I sure do not think this is pervasive on this forum. Very few posts are negative. It is the nicest forum I think I have ever visited. I have become an almost instant addict. Hopefully this is not going to cause a problem!


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