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You will have to let us know if they do anything and air it. It would be great to see it.

Oh, I sure will let you know.:thumbup: If anyone else would like to send a comment, here are the email addresses:

Becky.Oliver@usa.net (Channel 4)
newstips@ktvt.com (Channel 11)
Investigates@wfaa.com (Channel 8)

:eek: Wow! I think he gets his kicks out of p*ssing people off...I really do. This isn't the first story I heard of him being a jerk to his "customers." We need to find someone on YT that won't blow her top off even when he gets mad and says stupid things. And that person's sure NOT me!!! :lol tears Or someone who would tell him "okay, you buy my dog cuz I want a new one anyway!!!!"

NOT at all to belittle your efforts, which are admirable, but I'd be very surprised if they found anything they considered "worthy" to report on.

#1--there is a big difference between LEGAL treatment of animals and ETHICAL treatment of animals. Seems like abuse has to be pretty blatant and extreme before you can get any kind of official interventions to take place.

and #2--someone correct me if I'm wrong (pleeeeeease!) but I don't know that we've ever had confirmation that his animals are kept in dirty conditions, or are otherwise mistreated (again....by "LEGAL" standards!)

#3---with his history of watching this board (esp. if he is getting emails or phone calls that he finds suspicious!) I'm sure he'd get out there and "clean up" long before the investigation ever took place.

---Isn't there another guy on one of the Dallas news stations....shoot, I know I've seen it a few times....who confronts local shady business people, mechanics who are overcharging, scam artist, etc. Seems like this might be a little more along those lines! Probably (I'm suspecting!) not enough blatant mistreatment documentable for them to consider this an "animal abuse" case, but, now, all the testimonies about sick pups, and the way he refuses to deal with people afterwards, etc....THAT they may consider worthy of confronting him about! I really doubt that they'd be able to shut him down, but it would HARASS him, and start getting the word out there about his reputation!!!!

LOL! i agree!

When I was looking for my second yorkie I contacted him via the web site! I was not impressed with his prices :eek: and he said that was just to bad.:mad: He told me he has people on his waiting list therefore was not needing my business anyway!!:thumbdown I got a bad vibe from the guy and top be honest I am thankful now for it!!

HEY, has anyone ever pointed out that we (YT!) are mentioned on his site?!

I was looking at this page:

http://www.yorkiepup.com/yorkiepupfeature.html

and thinking how IRONIC it is that he's all up in arms about the vet not compensating him for the death of HIS pet, when he does the SAME THING to so many other people!!!!

....and then I was just sort of scrolling down through all the comments he had there...shoot....can't cut-n-paste for some reason...but one of them sz. something about "the girls on the yorkie board criticizing".

That HAS to be us!!! :D

that poor little dog buttons she was probably used for breeding even though obviously way too small !

Great!! Maybe if we get the word out to all these TV stations they will do a story on it and SHUT THE B@$!@*#$ down!!

LOL!! I would have to guess yes!! Us!

I believe one of our posters knows someone that has been to his place...(or his brothers). They didn't have anything good to say about it.

And, you are right! they probably won't do anything about it however, I have seen segments on puppymills on the news before. All we can do is get the word out there and educate people on these places so they will stop buying from them. And HOPEFULLY one day put them out of business. Personally I can't for the life of me understand why someone would pay that much for ANY animal that was advertised as not meeting AKC standard or tiny, teacup, teeney weeney etc....People need to educate themselves on this breed to know these don't exist.

I know the guy you're talking about...can't think of his name either. Seems like it's a Spanish name. He does the same type of thing that Becky Oliver does...goes after anyone shady or disreputable. I don't know if my emails will help but to me it's worth a try. The only other thing I know that might help is to get up some sort of petition signed by everyone and forwarded to the tv stations. I have many times seen them doing news stories about puppy mills in the area being shut down. Afterwards, usually on the morning show, they will often have a puppy that was rescued up for adoption.

I just don't understand why any puppy mill is legal when so many countries ban them.:confused:

I don't care how much of a jerk he is, I feel sorry for that cute little baby Buttons. :(

Re Jeff dane
 

First I would like to say that I dont know Jeff dane but have seen his web sight.
He probably is not a very nice guy. And now that you all mention it the photos of his dogs do look sad and vacant. However, you people are like a lynch mob you feed off each other and lots of what you say is not based in reason. The way that you talk some of you sound like the man should just be taken back outside and shot!
So you dont agree with his ethics? Big deal. He seems like he is not doing anything illegal and has a right to charge whatever he wants to charge. Sending newsmen to his house and all that is just crazy.

Sorry, but I had to speak up this group has a terrible reputation for not being based on reality. I know now you will all attack me too that is your style.
Stop judging people and look at yourselfs first.

It's not soully about the price, it's how the animals are treated and how sick some are prior to delivery. They are stuck in a kennel all day. Members on YT not only have seen his property, but some unfortunate souls have purchased very sick pups from him. Many are speaking from experience. Just go onto Google and type in his name. Too many poor sick furbabies come from him. :( Those are the reasons we feel so strongly about him. Nice man or not (and he's not b/c he gives a lot of customers bad attitude when they call and he doesn't like what they have to say), you can't treat animals poorly.

PS. I hope you don't take this as I am lynching you. That's not my style, I'm just stating facts, not opinions. Thank you.

Obviously you have not read the posts from members who got their dogs from him and they are dying or have died.

Hi Rosemarie..welcome to this site :confused: - you obviously have issues with people here and based on the number of posts - maybe you signed up just to slam people - ? No one here ever said anything about anyone being shot. Don't you think that's exagerrating it a little bit ? and since you said you "Don't know anything about Jeff Dane and his Website" Why are you even commenting ?

This site doesn't have any reputation except for there are LOTS and lots of people that really care about dogs. They're entitled to their opinions as you are yours.... but don't come on here and think you can slam people when you obviously aren't a real member here. I just love it when someone signs up on a site just to try to ignite heated feelings.

I'm sure if you were one of the people that actually bought a dog that got sick or died - you'd feel much differently. Why not have some compassion for THOSE people ?

ps. IF anyone is judging anyone - it's YOU.

Well said

LOL...I may have come on a little strong but I think if Rosemarie had done HER research - she'd understand the threads about Jeff Dane. The man keeps mills in business ...he's as bad as PETLAND in my opinion. Once those puppies leave his place and he has the cash - he could care less what happens to them. Too many people have been burned by him.

In my opinion - anyone who can take a small yorkie - and slap a TEN Thousand dollar price tag on it - is just playing off peoples misconception that the higher the cost the better the dog - NOT TRUE.

People don't get a bad reputation like he has by having ETHICS. He's a mass producer driven by Greed.

Welcome to Yorkie Talk???
 

You have to understand something about YT members....we DO NOT support puppymills! I understand that you have not been a member here very long. If you read the posts you will see that we have had a few members buy from him only to receive sick puppies. Some dying after a few days and one died after it got off the plane (correct me if I am wrong YT members). We don't care if people are willing to pay his outrageous prices. (this is their business). We are concerned about the animals. The living conditions are deplorable! All he cares about is the almighty buck, (as you can tell by his web site) he cares nothing about these animals. As for our "terrible" reputation on not being realistic......This is REAL!! All we are doing here is trying to educate people on puppymills...If we can stop them!! GOOD FOR US! and all those poor furmoms being kept in cages and bred until they just can't anymore. We do not judge people here. There are alot of good breeders on here that have alot of information to share with new yorkie owners. I don't believe anyone here wants to "shoot" him we just want people to see the type of person that he is. Again....we are only spreading the word....why don't you give him a call and see for yourself the kind of man he is....

I apologize that you feel you are going to be attacked and this is not meant to be that...This is just something that I feel very stronly about and wanted to share....If you stay a YT member you will see that we are all very nice people and have are own opionions.....just like you.

My concern is for puppy mills in general, not just Jeff Dane's. They should ALL be shut down. These puppies are prone to be physically and emotionally ill because of their environment. In turn, it creates heartbreak for unknowing new owners. I will do what I can to shut these places down and hopefully some day they will be against the law. I don't care if the owners name is Jeff Dane or The man in The Moon. Just because something is not "illegal" as you say, does not make it right. You might consider how these poor dogs are forced to live their lives. Perhaps you will do a search on here for puppy mills and try to see what we're talking about. It is not pretty.

Other than the obvious (sick puppies that he doesn't stand behind!), I'm really disturbed at how HOW poorly bred the current pups on his site seem to be. He's always had outrageously priced dogs, but is it my imagination, or did they use to be better quality?!

There is no WAY most of those pups are even *poorly* bred yorkies. Some of those he's selling as purebred are OBVIOUS mixes, and I'm assuming he's doing that trying to get the small sizes, or babydoll faces, or whatever. Or maybe it's just that, like you say, he's so greedy that he doesn't even care anymore, and just takes whatever he can get from whoever is supplying him. But we've all seen GAJILLIONS of pictures of yorkie pups, and I've never seen ANY that looked like THOSE! Some of those poor innocent babies are the ugliest things I've ever seen!!!

I'm assuming these get bought by people who haven't done enough research, and I sadly suspect that when the poor doggie grows up to look NOTHING like the "purebred yorkie" they thought they were getting, many of these will be the ones that end up getting abandoned or sent to shelters. Yes, that is speculation. But it is ALSO reality. You see it happening over and over again. And at the numbers he is cranking them out....what a frightening prospect!!

Such a horribly sad cycle. He's WORSE than petstores, in my book.

Here Rosemarie - so you'll understand better - Here's some threads...some very recent.... there are many just like this on all over the internet. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=jeff+dane
this one is the worst - He sold them a sick dog - they contacted him and he told the poster to NOT go to the vet - that the vet just wanted her money & her dog was fine.

Her dog died.

and another - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=jeff+dane

and another http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=jeff+dane

and another http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=jeff+dane

I'm not trying to annoy you - just to let you know this man sells MANY MANY SICK DOGS

Not all things that are unethical are illegal...but that still doesn't make them right.:cool: Concluding that things should be allowed simply because they aren't illegal is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Well dadgum, I just googled him, and was copying and pasting a WHOLE bunch of quotes about him from OTHER websites (NOT YORKIETALK!!!), but I clicked the wrong thing, and lost it all.

Seriously, if anyone wants to know about him. GOOGLE! You will find the random good experience with him (there are two that I know of here at YT, and good for them), but the vast concensus on him is Not.Good.

i think people should post links to what they can find!
for the people who defend this guy ...yay congrats to you for thinking $$$ is way more important than the life of a little puppy that is doomed due to puppy mill/breeder negl. or the new owner who has fought in vain to save one of these overpriced sick babies only to be scared for life about the whole experience and also out all the $$ they sent for the baby! i can't even begin to fathom waht kind of sick minds think that's ok!

yorkietalk threads

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sea...earchid=739960

I really have a difficult time feeling sorry for the people that get ripped off by unscrupulous people like Jeff Dane.

They can see that there are yorkies out there for reasonable prices. Why then do they pay that kind of money for one?

They pay it because they are of the mentality that it if costs more, then it has to be better. Common sense should tell them to ask themselves how his dogs can possibly be worth so much more than anyone elses.

Would those same people pay double for a car, sight unseen, just because someone priced it higher. I doubt it.

So why would they do it for a dog, except to use the dog as a status symbol. These are the same people who will have a fit if their dog grows to be a normal size. They paid extra to have a tiny and it grew too big, they feel they got ripped off.

Therefore they are not buying a puppy because they want a puppy, they are buying it because they want to brag about how much they spent for it.

I do however feel sorry for the dogs that are bred into that atmosphere, and have to suffer because someone deliberately bred them to be small and frail. They are the one that are being exploited and ripped off.

I appologize if I offended anyone. But that is the way I feel.

That's just horrible JeanieK, NO ONE deserves to be scammed and given a sick puppy to watch die, that's just what happened to a fellow Yorkietalk member. There are a lot of less expensive yorkies out there that are scams too. You'd think someone with a nice webpage, saying they have years of experience and who charges top dollar would mean a puppy of high quality.

Ever heard of empathy? I guess not. Compassion is a nice word too.

Lots of people go into purchasing a yorkie with little or no experience or information. Is that their fault, maybe, but I know I have gotten things before without much research. I don't condone this, but I know its a fact. Also this guy apparently is as "slick as oil" when you talk to him so an uninformed buyer could be taken easily. He will also allow his puppy to be transported by air, which appeals to some people and he has the availability. Why do you think pet stores do so well. The puppys are available immediately. Some people don't like to wait 4 months to get their pup. This, I believe is more the reason this man is still in business. So, does this make it right for people to have their hearts broken because they are not educated? No!