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YorkieRose · 04-18-2005, 10:29 AM

Get two boxes..feed one and put it in the box and so on..you can use a magic marker and put a number on the belly....they are going to have to get a bit hungry to start eating well..they are waiting for mom's nipples to appear.
Onesies are a good idea. You might be able to nurse them during the day and let them stay with mom all night..but get up every two hours to check on mom. IF she starts shaking, panting..take her temp, then call the vet if the temp is up passed 102.
The bottle nipple hole needs to be big enough to make nursing easy, but not so big they will aspirate the milk. If they cry, they are hungry. Goats milk is ideal. Tube feeding is the best..but scares some..I refused to learn for so long, but it was easy to learn.
Eclamspia is so scary..I have had the experience twice in 30 years. I suppliment pups in a large litter from day one..no calcuim before whelping..some vets say that can make a bitch predisposed to it...you can't really give too much afterwards..I give Tums and lots of clacuim rich foods.
Keep us up to date...at about 3 weeks they can start to lap a milk and baby rice cereal mix off your fingers...also milk mixed with baby food beef or chicken..they will suck it off.

Angela · 04-18-2005, 10:54 AM

I had a un planned breeding and and had to bottle feed my 3 pups from birth, their mom had bad milk.....what I did was make something for her to wear that covered all her nipples b/c the milk would kill the babies. I let her see them and lick their body when I fed them......every 2 hours. She got use to seeing her babies on schedule quickly, better than just taking them away.....when I was finished she had to come out with me. One thing is you NEED Premie nipples.......not 0-3, premie, the only place I found them was Target. I almost lost the pups trying the other bottle ( pet ) and 0-3 nipple. I used this milk mix: 1 can of pet to 1 can of water, 1 egg, and 2 teaspoons of Karo. The vet said to use this, the puppies would like it better.......They wouldn't eat the milk that is sold in the stores for puppies, but they ate this mix. I kept bottles fixed for 2 days ahead, b/c it's a rough schedule. Where are you located, I had 2 wonderful people in different time zones that gave me wake up calls......I don't know what would have happened without them b/c after a few days of feeding I would sleep right through an alarm clock, but I would wake up for the phone.......so I set the clock and they called. I am in Louisiana if I can help with calls........If you feel you could use calls maybe everyone could post that is willing to call and their time zone. Good Luck!

Angie

Bentley&BitsysMom · 04-18-2005, 11:09 AM

Ok. I'm going to send my husband out for premie nipple and maybe goats milk. These the vet gave me are not even close to bitsy's nipples. I had to go get my son from school and just got back. Bitsy is panting again and I'm scared!! Do I use a baby thermometer and stick it in her rectum??? She's resting every time I sit down at my feet and the panting stops but when I walk somewhere ( I just now got a shower and am getting ready and back and fourth to my computer) then when she walks or sits up she pants. I just gave her another calcium pill from the vet. I'm going to try and get some milk in the pups again in a few minutes. The onesies are perfect. I cut a whole for her tail. I've got to get the hang of this so I can get a routine. Can she get breast engorgement??? Should I put ice packs on her teats?? I live in Charlotte, NC.

What is tube feeding??? I'll try and look it up on internet. My nerves are shot. Box is a good idea. sorry for typos and bad spelling. I hope I didn't miss anything. I feel so dumb!!!

Angela · 04-18-2005, 11:33 AM

Hi, I can't advise on Bitsy b/c My girl had something different it sounds like and she had to have a emergency C section anti bodics....

If you decide to use that milk mixture it's regular pet milk.
That mix is way cheaper as you have many feeding ahead of you and my puppies are 7 months old, healthy and happy. Tell your husband the nipples must say primie...they now come in stage 0 etc.... and 0 is not primie. It made ALL the difference. He can buy a 3 or 4 pack of the bottles with nipples for about 4 dollars. Tube feeding you can kill the puppies easy if you don't get the tube in the right place......I was too scared to try it. OH, 1 other thing I did when they would skip a feeding and not eat the next time is: I used a cow teat......Ask the vet or feed store for one, they are just plastic things that go on the end of a sringe.....about 2" long.....I would SLOWLY push a little milk in their mouth with that and let them swallow it....to the side of their mouth b/c if it gets in their lungs it will be very bad. I also kept one for enima's when they would not go poop by the third or fourth feeding and tummy was tight.......I had to use warm water mixed with a little dish soap....You try not to have to do that or feed like that, but you have to make sure they are eating and going to the bathroom. If it sound like milk is in their lungs....put their face between your fingers, tummy in your palm with your other hand hold the pup firmly so their head won't bob and swing the pup with its face towards the floor between your knees.......usually 2 swings and a couple pats were fine, just make sure the pup is secure before you
" sling" it.

Angie

ttreatsyorkies · 04-18-2005, 12:18 PM

I am so sorry to hear about your predicament. My yorkie had a litter last week and I keep a close eye on her. She seems to be doing well so far. She had 4 pups and they wear her out. I couldn't imagine having 6. I have used the Pet milk,egg,and syrup before;it works great and they do love it. Do you have a breeder close to you that might be able to help you with a surrogate mother? If she can hear the pups cry she will increase her risk of getting sicker. The onsies idea is great, maybe if she could see them it will help calm her. I live in East Tn, a few hours from you but if there is anything I can do please let me know.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 04-18-2005, 12:25 PM

Oh my....I am so sorry for what you are going through and I will keep this short so you can read the more informative posts from the breeders. I just wanted to let you know I will do what ever I can with phone calls or whatever. I am on the west coast.

Bentley&BitsysMom · 04-18-2005, 01:49 PM

Thanks you guys, I mean it from the bottom of my heart!!!! We just finished about thirty minutes ago feeding the pups again. I let Bitsy stay in there this time and she was more calm. She had on her onesie and I let her lick their privates and she was good about it. She seemed content to help. She couldn't stand it in the kitchen with the door shut because she could hear them crying. They are starting to be more eager to get milk from the bottles. We did use the premies this time. We are going to wiegh and tag them somehow before the next feeding. This has all come on so fast. Bitsy is still panting and I'm just now getting ready to take her temp...first time doing that.

ttreatsyorkie:::what do you mean if she hears the pups cry she will get sicker??? Do you mean Bitsy? I don't want to make her sicker! Do you mean it will stress her? She's already panting today. Hasn't gotten much rest either. The pups are quiet now. I'm going to take her temp and lay down with her. she's eaten well today! Still labored breathing though. Could she have a relapse this fast??? Her calcium level was normal they said this morning.

Connie · 04-18-2005, 02:21 PM

I feel sick about what you are going through and wish I could help! Gee...did this happen the night after you'd had them to the park? Here you had such a great day and then all this happened! I don't have any advise, but just wanted to let you know you're in my thoughts and prayers and I wish you lived closer and I'd love to help you! Best wishes...I will be watching for updates! I hope Bitsy is okay!!!

bettyeanne · 04-18-2005, 02:34 PM

Michelle, I'm so sorry that this happened ... I think you are getting a handle on things and I'm sure after a few days it will get easier! Wish I lived closeby and could give you a hand! Could Bitsy be panting because of the stress instead of her illness? Toto rolls her tongue up to her nose and pants when she is stressed ... just a thought. We will be praying for Bitsy and her babies and for you that you will have the strength to see this through!

aimee · 04-18-2005, 03:01 PM

Aww, Michelle, I'm so sorry that you and your babies are going through this. I'm sorry that I have no wonderful words of wisdom for you - just my thoughts and prayers that things go as smoothly as they can for you. I'll be thinking of you and your babies and my girls send you all kisses

ttreatsyorkies · 04-18-2005, 06:08 PM

Yes I meant sicker by her stress. Unfortunetly her little body is very intune with her stress level, if it goes up it will take her longer to get better and it could even set her back. She might be panting because of a low grade fever which is common when they have eclampsia. Are her teets engorged? That will cause her some discomfort.If you can keep the pups away until she is showing signs of improvement that might be what is best. I know how hard it is to see any of them suffer. She can still be a good mommy just not right now. In a few days she might be back to herself and be up to having the puppies around, that will also give her milk time to start drying up. I myself had to take my pup to the vet for mastidis. I have done everything that I could to prevent it, it just wasn't enough for her. I hate hearing the babies cry too.

ttreatsyorkies · 04-18-2005, 06:15 PM

One more tid bit. IF she is doing better with them than that could work, but it is hard to detect how much stress they are under sometimes. Watch her breathing before she is with the pups and after and see if there is a difference. Once you take one temp you will be a pro. I added a little condensed milk to the puppy milk for mine and they took it a lot better than with out it.

chloeandj · 04-18-2005, 06:58 PM

I just wonder if you have a close relative or friend that might be willing to help out? That's a lot of puppies and I'm sure it would go smoother and you might feel better if you had some support, emotional and otherwise. You must be so stressed, I'm sorry you are going through this!

I think fingernail polish works well to keep them sorted, just a dab on the back of the ear in different colors.

You are going to be a puppy expert before you are through!

Victri · 04-18-2005, 07:15 PM

I know absolutely nothing about this, except that you have my prayers and hugs.

Mydogkelsey · 04-18-2005, 07:57 PM

I'm so sorry to hear everything your going through. I can kind of relate. My puppy had parvo and I wasnt getting much help and reassurance from my boyfriend at the time. It's a hard feeling to want to help your puppies and know you can't do much....Only if they could talk! Listen.. I hope all goes well, and hope your puppies are healthy and back in no time. Update!

04-18-2005, 10:29 AM	#31
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	feeding Get two boxes..feed one and put it in the box and so on..you can use a magic marker and put a number on the belly....they are going to have to get a bit hungry to start eating well..they are waiting for mom's nipples to appear. Onesies are a good idea. You might be able to nurse them during the day and let them stay with mom all night..but get up every two hours to check on mom. IF she starts shaking, panting..take her temp, then call the vet if the temp is up passed 102. The bottle nipple hole needs to be big enough to make nursing easy, but not so big they will aspirate the milk. If they cry, they are hungry. Goats milk is ideal. Tube feeding is the best..but scares some..I refused to learn for so long, but it was easy to learn. Eclamspia is so scary..I have had the experience twice in 30 years. I suppliment pups in a large litter from day one..no calcuim before whelping..some vets say that can make a bitch predisposed to it...you can't really give too much afterwards..I give Tums and lots of clacuim rich foods. Keep us up to date...at about 3 weeks they can start to lap a milk and baby rice cereal mix off your fingers...also milk mixed with baby food beef or chicken..they will suck it off.

04-18-2005, 11:09 AM	#33
Bentley&BitsysMom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 2,836	Ok. I'm going to send my husband out for premie nipple and maybe goats milk. These the vet gave me are not even close to bitsy's nipples. I had to go get my son from school and just got back. Bitsy is panting again and I'm scared!! Do I use a baby thermometer and stick it in her rectum??? She's resting every time I sit down at my feet and the panting stops but when I walk somewhere ( I just now got a shower and am getting ready and back and fourth to my computer) then when she walks or sits up she pants. I just gave her another calcium pill from the vet. I'm going to try and get some milk in the pups again in a few minutes. The onesies are perfect. I cut a whole for her tail. I've got to get the hang of this so I can get a routine. Can she get breast engorgement??? Should I put ice packs on her teats?? I live in Charlotte, NC. What is tube feeding??? I'll try and look it up on internet. My nerves are shot. Box is a good idea. sorry for typos and bad spelling. I hope I didn't miss anything. I feel so dumb!!! __________________ Michelle BENTLEY, BITSY, CHARLIE, & BAILEY'S Mommy Dogster Pagehttp://www.dogster.com/?145000

04-18-2005, 12:18 PM	#35
ttreatsyorkies YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Frisco TX Posts: 430	I am so sorry to hear about your predicament. My yorkie had a litter last week and I keep a close eye on her. She seems to be doing well so far. She had 4 pups and they wear her out. I couldn't imagine having 6. I have used the Pet milk,egg,and syrup before;it works great and they do love it. Do you have a breeder close to you that might be able to help you with a surrogate mother? If she can hear the pups cry she will increase her risk of getting sicker. The onsies idea is great, maybe if she could see them it will help calm her. I live in East Tn, a few hours from you but if there is anything I can do please let me know. __________________ yorkies are the key to the heart of happiness

04-18-2005, 01:49 PM	#37
Bentley&BitsysMom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 2,836	Thanks you guys, I mean it from the bottom of my heart!!!! We just finished about thirty minutes ago feeding the pups again. I let Bitsy stay in there this time and she was more calm. She had on her onesie and I let her lick their privates and she was good about it. She seemed content to help. She couldn't stand it in the kitchen with the door shut because she could hear them crying. They are starting to be more eager to get milk from the bottles. We did use the premies this time. We are going to wiegh and tag them somehow before the next feeding. This has all come on so fast. Bitsy is still panting and I'm just now getting ready to take her temp...first time doing that. ttreatsyorkie:::what do you mean if she hears the pups cry she will get sicker??? Do you mean Bitsy? I don't want to make her sicker! Do you mean it will stress her? She's already panting today. Hasn't gotten much rest either. The pups are quiet now. I'm going to take her temp and lay down with her. she's eaten well today! Still labored breathing though. Could she have a relapse this fast??? Her calcium level was normal they said this morning. __________________ Michelle BENTLEY, BITSY, CHARLIE, & BAILEY'S Mommy Dogster Pagehttp://www.dogster.com/?145000

04-18-2005, 02:34 PM	#39
bettyeanne Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama, etc. Posts: 9,031	Michelle, I'm so sorry that this happened ... I think you are getting a handle on things and I'm sure after a few days it will get easier! Wish I lived closeby and could give you a hand! Could Bitsy be panting because of the stress instead of her illness? Toto rolls her tongue up to her nose and pants when she is stressed ... just a thought. We will be praying for Bitsy and her babies and for you that you will have the strength to see this through! __________________ Toto's Mom - http://www.dogster.com/?206581 Yorkie Rescue Colorado - http://www.yorkierescuecolorado.com/ "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." -- Albert Einstein

04-18-2005, 10:54 AM	#32
Angela YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 849	I had a un planned breeding and and had to bottle feed my 3 pups from birth, their mom had bad milk.....what I did was make something for her to wear that covered all her nipples b/c the milk would kill the babies. I let her see them and lick their body when I fed them......every 2 hours. She got use to seeing her babies on schedule quickly, better than just taking them away.....when I was finished she had to come out with me. One thing is you NEED Premie nipples.......not 0-3, premie, the only place I found them was Target. I almost lost the pups trying the other bottle ( pet ) and 0-3 nipple. I used this milk mix: 1 can of pet to 1 can of water, 1 egg, and 2 teaspoons of Karo. The vet said to use this, the puppies would like it better.......They wouldn't eat the milk that is sold in the stores for puppies, but they ate this mix. I kept bottles fixed for 2 days ahead, b/c it's a rough schedule. Where are you located, I had 2 wonderful people in different time zones that gave me wake up calls......I don't know what would have happened without them b/c after a few days of feeding I would sleep right through an alarm clock, but I would wake up for the phone.......so I set the clock and they called. I am in Louisiana if I can help with calls........If you feel you could use calls maybe everyone could post that is willing to call and their time zone. Good Luck! Angie

04-18-2005, 11:33 AM	#34
Angela YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 849	Hi, I can't advise on Bitsy b/c My girl had something different it sounds like and she had to have a emergency C section anti bodics.... If you decide to use that milk mixture it's regular pet milk. That mix is way cheaper as you have many feeding ahead of you and my puppies are 7 months old, healthy and happy. Tell your husband the nipples must say primie...they now come in stage 0 etc.... and 0 is not primie. It made ALL the difference. He can buy a 3 or 4 pack of the bottles with nipples for about 4 dollars. Tube feeding you can kill the puppies easy if you don't get the tube in the right place......I was too scared to try it. OH, 1 other thing I did when they would skip a feeding and not eat the next time is: I used a cow teat......Ask the vet or feed store for one, they are just plastic things that go on the end of a sringe.....about 2" long.....I would SLOWLY push a little milk in their mouth with that and let them swallow it....to the side of their mouth b/c if it gets in their lungs it will be very bad. I also kept one for enima's when they would not go poop by the third or fourth feeding and tummy was tight.......I had to use warm water mixed with a little dish soap....You try not to have to do that or feed like that, but you have to make sure they are eating and going to the bathroom. If it sound like milk is in their lungs....put their face between your fingers, tummy in your palm with your other hand hold the pup firmly so their head won't bob and swing the pup with its face towards the floor between your knees.......usually 2 swings and a couple pats were fine, just make sure the pup is secure before you " sling" it. Angie

04-18-2005, 12:25 PM	#36
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Oh my....I am so sorry for what you are going through and I will keep this short so you can read the more informative posts from the breeders. I just wanted to let you know I will do what ever I can with phone calls or whatever. I am on the west coast.

04-18-2005, 02:21 PM	#38
Connie Loved by Maddie & Libby Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 10,732	I feel sick about what you are going through and wish I could help! Gee...did this happen the night after you'd had them to the park? Here you had such a great day and then all this happened! I don't have any advise, but just wanted to let you know you're in my thoughts and prayers and I wish you lived closer and I'd love to help you! Best wishes...I will be watching for updates! I hope Bitsy is okay!!!

04-18-2005, 03:01 PM	#40
aimee The Royal Mommy Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,010	Aww, Michelle, I'm so sorry that you and your babies are going through this. I'm sorry that I have no wonderful words of wisdom for you - just my thoughts and prayers that things go as smoothly as they can for you. I'll be thinking of you and your babies and my girls send you all kisses __________________ (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) «´¨ `·.¸¸.Aimée, Sandy, and Tia.¸¸.·´¨`» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)

04-18-2005, 06:08 PM	#41
ttreatsyorkies YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Frisco TX Posts: 430	Yes I meant sicker by her stress. Unfortunetly her little body is very intune with her stress level, if it goes up it will take her longer to get better and it could even set her back. She might be panting because of a low grade fever which is common when they have eclampsia. Are her teets engorged? That will cause her some discomfort.If you can keep the pups away until she is showing signs of improvement that might be what is best. I know how hard it is to see any of them suffer. She can still be a good mommy just not right now. In a few days she might be back to herself and be up to having the puppies around, that will also give her milk time to start drying up. I myself had to take my pup to the vet for mastidis. I have done everything that I could to prevent it, it just wasn't enough for her. I hate hearing the babies cry too. __________________ yorkies are the key to the heart of happiness Last edited by ttreatsyorkies; 04-18-2005 at 06:10 PM.

04-18-2005, 06:15 PM	#42
ttreatsyorkies YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Frisco TX Posts: 430	One more tid bit. IF she is doing better with them than that could work, but it is hard to detect how much stress they are under sometimes. Watch her breathing before she is with the pups and after and see if there is a difference. Once you take one temp you will be a pro. I added a little condensed milk to the puppy milk for mine and they took it a lot better than with out it. __________________ yorkies are the key to the heart of happiness

04-18-2005, 06:58 PM	#43
chloeandj Tinkerbell, My Little Flutterpup Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful California! Posts: 6,112	I just wonder if you have a close relative or friend that might be willing to help out? That's a lot of puppies and I'm sure it would go smoother and you might feel better if you had some support, emotional and otherwise. You must be so stressed, I'm sorry you are going through this! I think fingernail polish works well to keep them sorted, just a dab on the back of the ear in different colors. You are going to be a puppy expert before you are through!

04-18-2005, 07:15 PM	#44
Victri Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 197	I know absolutely nothing about this, except that you have my prayers and hugs. __________________ ~~Sydnee's Mommie-Viki~~

04-18-2005, 07:57 PM	#45
Mydogkelsey YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Orlando, Fl. Posts: 1,133	I'm so sorry to hear everything your going through. I can kind of relate. My puppy had parvo and I wasnt getting much help and reassurance from my boyfriend at the time. It's a hard feeling to want to help your puppies and know you can't do much....Only if they could talk! Listen.. I hope all goes well, and hope your puppies are healthy and back in no time. Update!