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05-24-2006, 10:22 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pennsylvania
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| AKC vs. ACA? I am relatively new to this site and have still to get my first Yorkie so I have a ton of questions... Most important one is what does it mean to be AKC registered? What is ACA and ow does it compare to ACA? I know I have seen numerous other abbreviations and I am not sure which one is supposed to be the best but I am assuming it is AKC. I searched to find this answer on YT but I couldn't find it. Sorry if it seems silly. |
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05-24-2006, 10:28 AM | #2 |
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| For a puppy to be registered AKC both parents have to be registered AKC. Any dog can be registered ACA (american canine association) whether they are purebred or not and whether their parents are registered or not. It really is just a way to fool some people into thinking they are getting a registered dog. |
05-24-2006, 10:30 AM | #3 |
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| What are the benefits of having an AKC puppy? |
05-24-2006, 10:39 AM | #4 |
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| If you are just looking for a pet, papers really don't mean a lot. If you are to breed, AKC papers will bring higher prices for the puppies. With AKC papers you could track down the previous generations and check size and health. A puppy with AKC papers gives you the best chance of getting a purebred Yorkie. Here's some info. of the different registrations: The oldest and most recognized all-breed registries in North America are the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) the AKC and the UKC (United Kennel Club) These registries exist to promote and advance the purebred dog. They approve breed standards, maintain birth records, promote responsible ownership, sponsor and sanction dog shows and performance events, maintain offical records of these events and award titles. Registration is not, however, PROOF OF QUALITY. The breed registries essentially the paperwork for the keeping records, though they do have regulations that must be followed they DO NOT police the breeders. In simple terms, a reg'd puppy means that he was born to reg'd parents. The responsible breeder's main goal in breeding is always to improve on their breed and in your search for a purebred dog, it is your responsibility to be selective and verify the breeder you choose. So how important is a reg'd dog? If your goal is to show, or breed then registration papers are very important. If your goal is simply to find a companion dog go to your local shelter, If however your looking for a specific breed, a purebred dog, registration papers are still important even if you have no intentions of showing or competing with your dog. Why? because you have the ability to see the chosen puppy's ancestry. It also provides a means for a responsible breeder to track pedigree of breeding stock and make an educated decision on breeding. In your research to finding a responsible and reputable breeder, the registry used by the breeder does play an important part. If the breed is a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC but the breeder is not registering his/her litters with the same registry be cautious and find out why! There are several reasons why a breeder would choose one of these but the vast majority of reason are not good for example being suspended from the AKC, CKC or the UKC or that the breeder refuses to abide by the code of ethics or one of many other reasons. Bottomline is a RED FLAG must be raised as to why the breeder is not using one of these registries. In addition, even if the dog is not a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC breed you need to find a breeder who is registering his dogs with the most reputable registry-single breed or all breed. A list of other all-breed registries are ACA, APR, APRI, ARU, CRCS, CKC (Continental Kennel Club), DRA, FIC, IPDBA, NKC, NAPDR, UABR, UKCI, WKC , WWKC. Caution should be exercised when dealing with a breeder who registers with any of these registries, many breeders use the registries because they are unable to meet the more demanding requirements of the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), AKC or UKC. APR - starts a pedigree file with the infomation sent by the owner of the unpapered dog so he may become papered. They take the owners word for it no proof is required that it is a purebred. APRI promotes the sale of a dog through distributors and retailers (puppy mills). They offer FREE dual registration on dogs from other reg' services to profession breeders. A "professional breeder" is one who has three or more breeding females and who regularly sells puppies in the pet market. CKC (Continental Kennel Club) does not require a past pedigree to register a dog. They will register the offspring of any purebred dog not as purebreds but as the offspring of the purebreds under their miscellaneous section. Tehy also provide special rates to the kennels that register 10 or more breeding stock dogs (puppymills) CRCS recognizes and tracks and papers dogs whose lineage DO NOT follow the standards of a breed, also considered an "all canine" registry. They register cross breeds or out of standard dogs. DRA registers cross breeds such as cocker-poos and peke-a-poos IPDBA may accept any new breed regardless of ancestry for reg purposes provided it meets the criteria of being phenotypically different from an existing recognized breed. NAPDR A purebred dog that does not have registration papers may be registered by sending pictures. Also NAPDR has commercial rates for breeders that have 5 or more breeding dogs (puppy mills) UABR promotes the sale of dogs through retailers and promotes retailers as a reliable source of healthy pets. Stating on their website as factual documentation that the health of puppies purchased from retailers (puppy mills) are equal and in many ways superior to those attained from other sources (the breeder). UKCI will reg cross breeds under special registration programs as well will register a dog for whatever reason it is not registered in the litter or either the sire/dame is not registered or perhaps registry was denied from other registries. Also extends bulk discounts to breeders. WKC reg's dog with no past history. WWKC will register new breed (cross breed) or rare breed I hope all this information is helpful to those buyers that are not aware of the many different registries and what each registries mission is. Bottomline here is to proceed with caution and know your breeder and why they opt to reg with the alternative agencies. And for those breeders that explain "its because of cost" are perhaps the ones you want to avoid for those are more often the puppy mills that are in the breed for profit (quantity not quality) not abiding to the animal care principles nor their well being, more often than not producing substandard health and quality of the breed. This doesnt mean ALL registries I listed above produce only inferior breed stock because there are respectable, responsible and caring breeders that may have aquired their dogs without papers but the dame/sire are AKC but purchased on a NO Breed contract. If that be the case some breeders have no choice than to paper their dogs else where giving credibility to the breeding program. Simply question them, ask them outright why they chose their registry and if you are comfortable with the breeder, their explaination and the quality of litter they produce don't be hesitant (unless your objective is to purchase a show quality dog and your intent is to show him/her even then there are no guarantees you have a champion). Last edited by Lacy's Mom; 05-24-2006 at 10:42 AM. |
05-24-2006, 10:42 AM | #5 |
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| Thank you so much! That makes sense to me now. I really appreciate it! |
05-24-2006, 11:05 AM | #6 | |
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05-24-2006, 11:29 AM | #7 | |
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I just wanted to say thank you! All of this information has come in very handy becouse I too will be looking into buying another puppy at the end of the summer and had some of the same questions. I pretty much allready had my mind made up to buy akc, but your info helped to make it a deffinate decision. My sister will appreciate this as well, becouse she will be buying 2 breeding yorkies at the first of the year and akc sounds the best route to go for her also, in my oppinion. I will give her a copy of this if you dont mind. Sorry, this was actually directed to lacys mom. I accidently hit quote on the wrong reply.
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05-24-2006, 11:40 AM | #8 |
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| ACA reg.--- You can get pedigrees and research the generations also not just AKC. ACA is just as good a reg as AKC or UKC. I agree that if you want a pet papers do not matter. |
05-24-2006, 11:49 AM | #9 |
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| When I got my dog, I asked whether or not she was registered with the AKC. The breeder said she was, and when we went to go see Raisin for the first time, we put a down payment on her and got a contract that had all the information. The registration number hadn't been filled out yet, but typed on the contract was AKC #. A month later when we went to pick her up, the rest of the contract was filled out, my husband signed it and off we went. When we got home I looked everything over, and she had crossed out AKC # and had written ACA #. I thought that was a little deceitful. And although I decided I couldn't let it bother me because I already loved Raisin and wouldn't change her for anything, I did feel a little annoyed that I didn't get part of what I was paying for. I did call the breeder and ask about the difference and why it was she'd crossed it out, and she gave me some explanation that didn't make too much sense. I'm not an expert on the two registries. I had originally thought that AKC was better, but now I know that all have their good and bad things. But I still think it was misleading to have AKC on the contract and then cross it out at the last minute. Breeders should be upfront about it, and if they are selling ACA dogs, then that is what they should have on their contract. And buyers need to not ask only if the dog is registered. If you have a preference where the dog is registered, be specific. Although, I was and it still didn't work |
05-24-2006, 11:50 AM | #10 |
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| registration ACA said the dog did not need to be purebred to be registered..they accept a non-papered puppy and give it an ACA registration..CKC-Continenal KC said the same thing...APRI said the dog must be AKC to be registered with them..not sure about any others. |
05-24-2006, 11:51 AM | #11 |
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| IMHO if a dog Is NOT registered AKC, one needs to step back and ask WHY NOT? Now there are obviously more than one reason why a dog may not be registered with AKC..HOWEVER..consider a few of these reasons, then decide if you'd want to buy your dog from this scenerio. 1. Parents were sold on limited AKC registration, and were not intended to be bred. Puppies can not be registered AKC obviously, must use another registry...Obviously puppies sold with this other registry can also not have offspring registered AKC, all of which spawned from SOMEONE doing something they weren't supposed to do. 2. Breeder has been suspended from AKC privlidges for fraud, failed inspections, or other problems. I am sure there are other reasons why someone would register a litter with another "breed registry" however these probably sum up the majority. On another hand, AKC has been the number one registry for purebred dogs for over a hundred years. No an AKC registration is not an indicator of quality...HOWEVER...it is SO MUCH easier to get a registration on dogs with these other registries, I have seen entirely too many "purebreds" who are really mixes, yet they are registered! That doesn't happen in AKC, and if it does, the breeder is in HUGE trouble...gets to pay fines, DNA costs, possible suspencion, etc. Other registries just don't seem to be concerned as long as they get their registration fees. Some register mixed breeds ON PURPOSE. I personally have never seen a purebred "cockapoo"..the two words together are an oxymoron. Hope that offers a little insight.
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