Oh hon I am sooo sorry!! I can say I have been escorted out of MANY places, if not standing up to people with pets in a pet store to my latest adventure was at the airport.... Taking out pups that had just flown in and were sitting in their own poo!!! Wasn't going to happen. Took the little ones out of the kennel to remove the bedding and give them a clean enviroment and low and behold I had a security guard jumping in and telling me I couldn't do that!! Like heck!! No puppy is going ten more feet in THAT!! Needless to say the pups were cleaned up and I TOO was escorted out of yet another building!! Guess what I would do it again in a heart beat!!

Quote: Whats the big deal about a 3 lb. dog in a store? I see tons of people that are way dirtier, and make a whole lot more noise than my little princess would ever even consider. what about some of thoses naughty children that are screeming and running down the aisles, why don't they ask them to leave.

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None of the above has anything to do with the rule that "Dogs (including "your little princess) aren't allowed in the store."

And - I have seen children asked to leave a store.....but this is an entirely different issue. And, interestingly -- once I saw a family with three unruly screaming children asked to leave a restaurant. The waitress said that everyone else was complaining and threatening to leave. The family was finally asked to leave -- they were half way through their meal - and got that much of it free. But, this, also, is a different issue.

I think there are a few exceptions regarding having to take our dogs into a place of business. If, unexpectly, you have to run into a store, and the temperature is below zero - or 90 degrees - you might run in and out with your pup as quickly as you can....albeit you may be caught and asked to leave.

Once, I ran into MacDonalds with my dog under my sweatshirt to use the restroom (a real emergency) - and ran in and right back out as fast as I could go. (I really don't like leaving my dog (or dogs) in the car by themselves.)

But - I never deliberately take my pup on a "shopping spree, and every time my dogs go with me, I know exactly where we're going --- and it is where they can go - and are welcome - friends, relatives, Petco, and so on.

I will never understand why so many of you think it is so "cute" to sneak your dogs into places where they shouldn't be. I, personally, don't think that is very law abiding - or a very grownup way to behave.

But, since we have had a million threads on this very same thing - it is evident that there are people who follow the rules - and people who don't....
And - trying to justify "not following the rules" (for whatever reason) doesn't make any sense to me.

Back to the main subject - ---I do think the gentleman who escorted our "thread-starter" out of the store could have done it in a nicer way. I really doubt the store would appreciate his way of managing that situation.

Carol Jean

I think you should report him as well. I am guessing that this is not the first time there is a complaint. Nothing will be done if it isn't reported. I am guessing also that it won't be the last time he is rude but you should stand up for yourself.

LOL...that's hysterical. I love your way of thinking and I absolutely agree...their are way stinkier humans out there and more annoying kids. I'd rather shop with a little dog too!! :laugh:

Val as a professional complainer...LOL...don't call to complain. Write the corporate office...providing all the details, name, date, etc. Writing corporate will get far more response than complaining at the store level. Do whatever you have to do to find out this person's name and position. Sometimes I've simply asked and sometimes I lied by saying....oh who would I talk to at this store for something (fundraiser, distributing literature, anything you can think of). If they say...oh you need to speak to X and want you to hold so they can get them....just say you are mailing the information to their attention. Btw, do not forget to get the store's number. We do alot of business with national chain stores....most are known by their number NOT the address. If you have to...play detective and go back into the store UNTIL you see this person to get the information.

I guess he grabbed ya....just in case....you and Sully made a run for the back of the store...LOL. There is no excuse to treat someone this way.

In our area the only stores that are pet friendly are the pet stores, Lowe's, Home Depot, and the Dollar Store. Don't ask me why the dollar store doesn't care...I haven't figured that one out :rolleyes: Lowe's and Home Depot don't have a sign that says pets welcome...but I've seen all sizes in there...including ones that are too big to be carried or ride in a cart...they're on a leash. Food Lion has a sign posted directly on their door, but they're the only place I can recall actually posting their policy.

I think the biggest issue a store has with pets is the liability issue if someone gets bitten.....by allowing an animal IN the store...they are accepting the liability.

Good luck :)

You go girl!! Those poor lil puppies NEEDED to be cleaned up!

[QUOTE=SnowWa]Some day you'll learn..... Every time you take your "dog" into a public place, there is a chance you may be asked to leave. Most public buildings do not allow animals. However, like driving under the influence --- you can get away with it over and over again - simply because there isn't a person around who is going to enforce that rule. Until - eventually - when you do get caught. I know that often even employees will make a big fuss over your dog and tell you how cute it is. These employees either don't know about the store policy (which is ridiculous), or they don't care to enforce it.

I agree that the person who marched you to the door was a little too much. It could have been handle so much better. And, I wouldn't be happy being treated the way he treated you either. Maybe you got a bad guy on a bad day -- who knows!! He deserves to have a complaint filed against him. I sure the store wouldn't be happy with the way he treated you.


Comparing children with dogs is not a logical analogy at all. People are customers - people with children are customers - people are allowed in stores -- dogs are not allowed.

And the size of dogs can't be a consideration either. Either dogs are allowed or they're not.

I knew when you said "Humiliated at Target" -- what your story was going to be. But, again, I do agree that the person who asked you to leave didn't handle the situation very well at all.

I think the bottom line is that "a rule is a rule," and if you choose not to follow it, you're putting yourself in a position where you may be asked to leave.

Sorry about your experience!


Well said...very good Post...:thumbup:


Francie

I couldn't agree more. I also think that the man handled the situation the wrong way as well.. BUT I also know that this wouldn't have happened if the she hadn't taken the pup in with her. Complaining about something that only happened because the rules were broken will probably fall on deaf ears.

Michelle

What a Jerk!!! I would def. complain

Said like a respectful, Responsible ADULT!!! I second everything you said I have to small children and sometimes they have a melt down in the store, but they deserve to be there!!!

I thought the Silly faces would have been enough of a tip off! I guess not....

People take themselves way to seriously these days! Mr. Manager needed to chill out!



And as far as the kid thing that someone commented on..... I have left carts full of merchandise sitting at customer service before because my daughter was just "starting" to get fussy.... I would snatch her up and take her home! I have paid for dinners that never even made it to my table, because she was teething! I NEVER let my child cry in public, or throw a fit in public. I always thought it was so rude and such an awful thing to do to the dozens of other diners or shoppers. Ruin their evenings so my child could cry it out?? How selfish! I grabbed my child and left. And my children learned that if they wanted to go with me, they had to behave.

So I am one of those people who has zero tolerance for the mother who is dragging her child by the arm screaming up and down the isles as she shopsfor the next hour and a half... acting like its the most normal thing ever! Its not! Take your kid home! Or Children out at 11pm crying in the shopping carts cause they are so far beyond tiard.... take them home and put them to bed! I was a single mom, for a while, I figured it out!

I go shopping to relax... there is nothing relaxing about a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum in isle 5, 2, 7, and 13! 99% of the time, its me who leaves the store! Empty handed.

I agree that there should be clear posted rules about dogs.... but I would love to see some clearly posted rules about a Parents responsibility for their children's behavior too! I would have no problem following either of them!

The guy was obviously on some kind of weird power trip. I would report him b/c his behavior was unacceptable no matter what the dog rule of the store is.

I take my dog everywhere and I always will. She hurts no one and nothing anyone says can convince me otherwise. It's just a rule and it has no basis. Even health officials think it doesn't do much. People track in more crap on their shoes.

My favorite is the Malls that have a NO pet policy, but change that rule during the holidays to provide photo with Santa opportunities. When it means $$$ the "standards" change.

Write a letter, this man is whacked and deserves reporting.

Then buy a better purse.

It's just a matter of what rules one chooses to follow. We all have priorities and we just happen to be very different.

Nope..that's why i posted to ask you..sometimes how someone types something is not always the was it is decoded. Thanks!

Hi I would make a complaint to the store manager. I don't know about Targets other places but here they are not dog friendly or the one I went too wasn't. My neice was with me and she had her Yorkie (before I had Georgie) and she went to take him in, he was inside the bag but his little head was popping out, and the clerk said that if the manager were to see they would make us leave.

This was printed in today's amNY, a free newspaper that is circulated daily in NYC. I thought it befitting to post on this thread:

Kids: Bad. Dogs: Good

The Hotel Cortisen in St. Wolfgang, Austria won't allow children into the hotel, but will permit dogs, according to Ananova.com. "I am sure others will follow suit and say no to kids. From today, children are no longer welcome--and I plan to advertise it as I am sure it will attract guests. ...I don't have a problem with dogs."

If its posted on the door, then I don't even try.... but if its not... then I go ahead and take the girls in! If someone says something I just say,"Oh... you don't have a sign on your door.... You do have one that says no food or drinks... but not one that says no dogs???"



I call ahead to most places.. like the mall, I called the concierge and they said YES as long as their feet don't touch the floor!

A security guard said something and I told him that I phoned ahead and spoke to the mall concierge... and he left me alone!

They were in the Stroller... they cant bite anyone, they can't get out, they cant pee on the ground....

I think that slowly buy surely they are becoming more and more socially acceptable... But its a gradual process! We can't force it...


But still.... Bad Manager!

The malls here have a sign specifically stating no pets allowed at all the mall entrances plus the entrances to individual stores.

KathrynV: I couldn't agree more with your post. I love my dogs dearly, but you can't compare them with my children and grandchildren. However, I would much rather see a well behaved dog in a store than MANY and I mean MANY of the children I see lately. What has happened to parents making their children mind nowadays. I have spent too many days shopping and listening to children scream and throw fits and hit and kick their mothers. My children (and grandchildren) would be taken out immediately and they certainly would not talk to their parents or grandparents like many do let alone hit them.

My husband and I were eating out last night at a table next to some little heathens who ruined our whole meal. The last straw was when they handled the food on the buffet, but noone said a word. They were making huge messes and screaming and crying there was 4 of them.

I thought about that last week when we were on vacation. It took me weeks to find a condo that would accept my dog. I don't sneak her in places like that because she is running around and I don't want to worry about the noise she might make.

She doesn't even make a dent in our accomodations, ever. I was VERY responsible when my kids were small but it meant some work and cleanup on my part. The dog? mess=ZERO noise=ZER0 (she whimpered a couple of times, but never barked) damage=ZERO

Now, compare her to the party animals that rent some weekend getaways. whoa. As a landlord I would sure choose a small dog.

Parts of what you say make sense and parts are insane. I would never drag my kids while screaming either no way I would pop a butt and take her home. I have never been out past 8pm with her either but my 2 1/2 year old sometimes has a melt down and gets upset when out to eat or shopping and sometimes I don't have a choice to leave sometimes you have to get your shopping done now, so I don't agree with you that children are annoying or that they should'nt be allowed to be kids. I do however think parents need to educate there kids on how to act in a store or resturant and inforce rules, but young children under 3 melt down sometimes its natural. Children that age don't know how to express themselves in words, and I'd be damned if some store was gonna tell me how to react to my child acting up. And I dare someone else to look or say something to me because I would'nt put up with it! Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave just to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.

to me anyone that can compare dogs to children, have a problem of some kind or they've never had a child and most likely never should. I personally dont think people should just break rules just to have their way especially when it comes to dogs. I can see breaking a few for a child if its something that hurts the child. tho I dont agree anyone should of put their hands on you, you kinda ask for it with a sign at the front door, asking you not to bring a dog in. Makes me wonder if people want to rent a house or an apt and had one child and one puppy if they could only have one or the other, would they give up the child or the puppy?
thats like teaching your kids, its ok to ignore rules and laws if it is one they dont want to abide by then fighting to prove they did right. Too much of that going on today already. I may get banned from this place or ignored but Im just expressing my opinion about comparing dogs to kids same as some of the others have done here. have a child and a dog, lose both, see which one hurts you most. Grow up people. Rules are made to live by and dogs shouldnt be compared to people. I dont believe in mistreating animals but I do believe in following rules on others property, be it personal or business. But I believe in being curteous. Breaking the stores policy isnt any more curteous than breaking store policy on touching one either. Tho to me both of it was uncalled for.

QUOTE: Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.
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If your children behaved the way the ones I'm talking about did ---( I doubt they would) -- I don't think you would have wanted to stay in the restaurant with them. These little guys were not "restaurant-ready." There were three of them - the oldest about 4. They were "screaming and fighting" - "crawling over their parents" - "threw the menus on the floor" -"were pushing their food away and refusing to eat it," "putting it on other plates or the table," - "spilling their drinks" - etc.

But - it was the (more than 20 minutes) of constant fighting and screaming that bothered the other customers most. No one in the restaurant could visit or enjoy their meal at all.

Honestly - I think "most of us" would have just left with our children if they were behaving that way. Don't you realize that this behavior reflects more on the parents than it does on the children?????

And - if these people had "refused to go" --- Many of the other customers would have left to go where they could sit down, visit, and enjoy their meal.
And - they would probably never have returned to this "nice restaurant." This isn't right....

***** This was a "brunch place" -- and there were a lot of other children in the restaurant......acting like little children..which is fine..... I agree that "children are children." These children didn't bother anyone. But this one family was the worst I've ever seen in my life! It was unbelieveable!

And - please remember - this was not one child. There were three. And, this wasn't a little temporary little fit these children were having. It had gone on for almost half an hour and was, if anything, getting worse.

I'll bet if you (and your children had been there) -- you would have been appalled at this family like everyone else was. And, you would have probably wished you and your family had gone someplace else too.

I know if these people hadn't left -- a lot of other customers would have. I don't think this would have been fair to them - and certainly not fair to this "nice restaurant."

**** I'll bet most of you feel the way I do -- within reason, our children have to behave in public - or we will just take them home. I would have been embarrassed.

Carol Jean

I would make a complaint based simply on his rudeness. Tell them that you were on you way out after he asked you to leave, but that he was treating you like a shop lifter.

Yes, he could have been nicer. That was my main and only point by starting this thread. I don't appreciate you saying that there are a "million threads on this very same thing" .........b/c I don't know about what all the rest of YT members think but um, this is the first thread I've read about a store manager trying to grab a patron by the wrist & escort her out by force.

I don't mind at all this thread becoming a large discussion/debate as long as my point was clearly communicated - I wasn't complaining about being asked to leave. I didn't know it was a rule and if I'd known, or even thought to consider it, I would have had second thoughts about taking Sully in there that day. It was a rather quick errand anyway that could have been done another day. No big deal. Being asked to leave was no big deal, either. It was his force and his whole mannerism that I found insulting. Even if his tone had been harsh, I never would have complained.....but his use of physical force and disrespect for my personal space was uncalled for. I know I've said that a bunch of times but I keep getting the feeling that somehow, I haven't communicated it clearly enough.

PassionFruition - I meant there are a lot of "long threads" on people taking their Yorkies into public places, etc.....and needless to say - a lot of different opinons about doing this.

I didn't mean there were a lot of threads about the way the manager behaved.

I would do one of two things - 1) I see nothing wrong with bringing the manager's way of handling this situation to the attention of the store. He should not have behaved the way he did, or 2) I would just drop it.

I prefer #1 -- and would just do this with a "nice letter." After all, you are a customer, and the store should care very much about the way the manager behaves with customers.

Good luck! Carol Jean

Carol Jean

Gotcha. Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to do. Write a letter stating what happened, pure and simple, not being rude but just staing the facts, the manager's name, date, etc. And then I'm goign to drop it. I am nor ever was interested in pressing charges, etc. I have just haven't been that insulted but a few times in my life by a complete stranger. It happened over a week ago and I didn't post about it immediately b/c I tried to shrug it off but man that rude guy just got under my skin, ya know? Ugh. Anyway, thanks for your kind response.

i'm sorry that happend to you. you should defenetly file a complaint!!! i mean that shouldnt happen to anybody!!! that guy had no right to even think about touching you i mean how old does he think you are 2!!! one time i was in target and this like 17-18 yr old had a little baby yorkie with her and she walked right past the assistant manager and he didnt do anything!!:eek:

Ok I'm not trying to belittle your situation, actually I completely agree he shouldn't have acted like that. However, I must admit I started laughing half way through your story when you were talking about him continuing to move closer like you were going to run away or escape. I pictured a crazy lady running loose in Target with a dog in a carrier on her arm, trying to get back to the dressing rooms to continue trying on swimming suits. All the while some little pesky manager chasing after. You must admit this picture is pretty funny.

Now seriously, I'm not one to defend someone taking their dog in a store or what not. Like it was said some people are allergic and really whether the dog be big, small, clean, dirty its just a sanitary issue, or at least this is how I feel. And really its a little crazy saying that kids don't belong in stores/restaurants. I mean I know if a child is acting up then yes do something about it and if that means leave whatever but if they aren't allowed in stores in the first place then in about 20 years we are going to have a bunch of adults that don't know how to behave themselves in public because they were never allowed to be in public.

Val, I'm not saying you were defending yourself about having Sully inside, I got your point and I compelety agree, he had no right to try to use force in order to get you to leave, you were already leaving. I hope whatever you do you are happy with the results in the end.

Ummm ok what am I missing here?? Brandy I have no idea why you quoted me and proceed to type what i'm saying is insane. I think maybe you are the one who is a little confused. My quote was in response to Kathryn V about her being serious or joking in her post. Not sure what you're thinking!