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12-18-2004, 04:13 PM | #1 |
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| Show Tail Question Hi all, I have been asked to show an imported yorkie male from Hungary. My question is what is the standard for tails? Do they have to be docked or can they be longer on imported dogs? Any advice would be great and very much appreciated. This is my first time showing a yorkie in conformation. I did have a yorkie when I was younger that I competed with in Agility and Flyball. Sherri Johnson All Breed Handler http://www.geocities.com/edanaaussie |
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12-19-2004, 05:06 AM | #2 |
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| Hi Sherry.....here is a link to the breed standard given by the AKC, which states the tail should be docked to medium length and carried slightly high than the level of the back. http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm I LOVED your site! What beautiful Aussies you have! Thanks for visiting YorkieTalk and keep us posted on how the Hungarian does in the ring. Mary Ellen |
12-19-2004, 10:57 PM | #3 |
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| I would recomend that you check directly with the FCI. I have heard from some show friends in south america that begining at 2005 it will not requested a docked tail and that in a little time it will not be permited at dog show. That goes for all the breeds that usually have docked tails and the ears cut. Good Luck |
12-20-2004, 12:44 PM | #4 |
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| I checked on FCI's website (http://www.fci.be) for the yorkshire terrier standard! TAIL : Customarily docked. Docked : Medium length with plenty of hair, darker blue in colour than rest of body, especially at end of tail. Carried a little higher than level of back. Undocked : Plenty of hair, darker blue in colour than rest of body, especially at end of tail. Carried a little higher than level of back. As straight as possible. Length to give a well balanced appearance. |
12-21-2004, 02:22 PM | #5 |
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| tails I have only shown Yorkies in the USA and no one shows with tails undocked. I do not see the AKC disallowing docking/cropping...USA breeders are not for it and AKC will bow the breeder on this one. Many European Yorkies come here and have their tails docked in adulthood so they can compete. I have a German Biewer Yorkie with a tail and they must have them to be shown. |
12-22-2004, 08:12 AM | #6 |
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| That doesn't really depend on AKC, as per FCI is really who desides the standard and requirements for each breed and if that is what they decide that is what will be. Now they are "allowing" dogs with undocked tails and there is a lot of groups pushing for the ban of this practice which is believed unecessary and even cruelty. I know that in South America, they are also talking about prohibiting any dogs with docked tals or that had the ears cut to participate in dog shows in a few years. I personally think it is unecessary...yorkies look very very cute with undocked tails. I have already specified to the breeder that my new yorkie will not have her tail docked. YorkieRose. I didn;t know there was any biewer yorkshire's in USA. Where did u get yours? From Germany? I just loove this breed...they are soo cute!! I also notice we're in the same state...what city u're from? |
12-22-2004, 08:21 AM | #7 |
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| Tails In my lifetime I do not see the YTCA allowing the tail standard to be changed. I haven't talked to any club members who are in favor of a natural tail. AKC will listen to the exhabitor..but all things are possible. I perfer a docked tail..but my Biewer looks normal with one. I know several Biewer breeders in the USA..also AKC Parti-colored Yorkies. I perfer the Biewer as to the AKC Parti. I, only have one female..a friend has several. |
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12-22-2004, 02:25 PM | #9 |
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| YorkieRose: I am talking about the FCI not the YTCA. The Fédération Cynologique Internationale is the World Canine Organisation. It includes 80 members and contract partners (one member per country) that each issue their own pedigrees and train their own judges. The FCI makes sure that the pedigrees and judges are mutually recognized by all the FCI members. What i think is that basically any kennel club that doesn;t obide by their stardards does not have the dog's pedigree valid worldwide. i posted the link to their website above.. mmyorkies...AKC is affiliated to FCI, isn't it? I always thought so...Mojo was born in Brazil and his pedrigree thru the brazilian kennel club is affiliated to FCI so is valid worldwide...for me to transfer to AKC all i have to do is pay a fee of $50. |
12-22-2004, 02:56 PM | #10 |
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| this may be a stupid question, so feel free to yell at my ignorance..... but how DO they dock the tails? I've seen on the animal planet about people tieing rubber bands around tails so they will lose circulation and fall off , toby looks cute with a docked tail, but i would love him just as much without a docked tail...... furthermore, i think it is especially unnecessary that my toby has had his tail docked because he doesnt even have papers! he is not show quality, he is PET quality!, but..... the breeder still docked his tail, maybe because this is the norm for the breed and he didnt want to sell yorkies that looked "different"............. |
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I can't find anywhere that is AKC is affilated with it, and in the FCI listing of the participating countries it does not list the US, so if AKC does deal with them it is not publicized. The AKC has always gone with the standard discription that the breed club decided on, which is why we, in the US still have to have yorkies tails docked to show them. | |
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12-22-2004, 08:30 PM | #13 |
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| tails The Yorkshire Terrier club of America makes all the decisions regarding the standand and how it applies to our breed..AKC in turn abides by the wishes of the club..FCI does not enter into any of it. As a breeder, I can not determine at 3 to 5 days which pups are going to be pets and which are going to be show potentials..so all pups get their tails docked. I, personally do not have a problem with tail docking since it can be done without pain and destress to the newborn..but I would not own a breed that needed ear cropping. |
12-23-2004, 10:03 AM | #14 |
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| I just saw that the FCI doesn;t include AKC...so i guess they make up their own rules...i still donnou how come Mojo;s pedigree would be accepted by them though... I guess we will see what happens if the FCI decides to ban all cropping (ears and tails) from dog shows... YorkieRose: You said there is biewer breeders in the USA..and also an AKC Parti-colored Yorkies...what is the difference? Do you know any website of breeders in usa? A looked but couldn;t find any |
12-23-2004, 10:52 AM | #15 |
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| Akc The AKC recognizes many kennel clubs around the world. Brazil is one of them..so you can buy a dog from Brazil and have no problems re-registering it with the AKC. If the FCI bans all crop/dock it will not effect us in this country..but if anyone was showing abroad I am sure they would need to abide by the FCI ruling...unless the dog was crop/docked before the ban established..much like a grandfather clause. As I am told the difference in Biewers and Parti's is mostly the registeration. You can register a Parti with AKC, but not a Biewer..you can not register a Parti in German as a Biewer. I have a friend with two males..one of each registration...I can not notice any difference in temperment or coloring. The reason I prefer the Biewer is, when you breed a Biewer to a Biewer you only get the pb gene..so all pups are Biewers...but an AKC Parti color can produce standard colors as well as a parti in the same litter. I perfer not to mess with the Biewer lines and IF I do breed my bitch I would like to breed to the Biewer stud to keep the colors correct..you can show Biewers in America..not AKC shows, but Biewer shows..you can not show AKC parti's at all. |
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