Wizard Of Claws

[PlatinumYorkies]

I missed bullet holes...where..please point me in the right direction, so I can see them!

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies

I missed bullet holes...where..please point me in the right direction, so I can see them!

You'll have to watch the video. They were pretty large and could have killed the innocent pups.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies

I missed bullet holes...where..please point me in the right direction, so I can see them!

Some "crazies" decided to take the law into their own hands and shoot out the front windows of the store front.

I am sorry to keep stressing this but to know the entire story it is important imo to read the entire article. Here is the link again:http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/20...s/feature.html

It really gives the entire history behind WOC and the lawsuits, etc. No rumors...all fact.

[tndefender]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Some "crazies" decided to take the law into their own hands and shoot out the front windows of the store front.

I am sorry to keep stressing this but to know the entire story it is important imo to read the entire article. Here is the link again:http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/20...s/feature.html

It really gives the entire history behind WOC and the lawsuits, etc. No rumors...all fact.

Okay, I read the entire article and maybe I am missing something. What is the "other side" or the "entire" story you keep to which you keep referring? I mean, you don't deny this is an unsavory operation that would be best to shut down, do you?

[PlatinumYorkies]

They have a Lamborghini, they only make so many of them in a year! What in the devil....This guy makes Pimps look like Choir boys....C'mon now, drugs, steroids, previous USDA violations...Poor doggies..their breeders layed down with this dog and got hella fleas!!
This dude is the Suge Knight of Puppy Brokering, and I meant that in a nice way!!
And what fool shoots up a place with living beings inside..darn one of the dog's could have been hurt!!!!

[BamaFan121s]

Suge Knight... ...that is SO funny. I applaud your comparison!

That was really nice of his wife to get their business started while he was serving time for drug charges. That way when he got back, all he had to concentrate on was trapping monkeys and trading them for foxes. Smart business move...real way to multi-task....

[Sherry Lynn]

LOL!! Suge... haha

Did you SEE the guy!! Definately a class act!! NOT!!!

Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies

This dude is the Suge Knight of Puppy Brokering, and I meant that in a nice way!!

A backwoods Florida cracker!! No offense my Florida friends! I lived 3 years in your state and loved it!!

Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies

And what fool shoots up a place with living beings inside..darn one of the dog's could have been hurt!!!!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by tndefender

Okay, I read the entire article and maybe I am missing something. What is the "other side" or the "entire" story you keep to which you keep referring? I mean, you don't deny this is an unsavory operation that would be best to shut down, do you?

tndefender: thanks for the opportunity to explain:

First, let me say I do not appreciate being accused of "defending" this buisness (I am referring to Post # 18) because I am not and have never done that. I am not doing that now. I would not personally buy an animal from these people or recommend that anyone else do so.

I do however have a problem with intentional misinformation being spread over the internet in the form of rumors and lies because that does more harm than good. It would be easier to get this place shut down if the truth were told and the owners had no defense to what is written since it would all be true. Posting lies and untruths gives them a defense against those who participate in this behavior and the shooting up the store front gives them undeserved sympathy and puts the opposition in a bad light.

You would have that to have been here for a while and read all of the misinformation that has been written about this broker. I am all for posting and warning about businesses that abuse and mistreat animals and I do believe those should be shut down, but there were so many false rumors and out and out lies about WOC that they "lost" all credibility with me because when I would discover that the things they were saying were not true it made me wonder if ANY of it was true, and I found the liars and misinformation spreaders almost as bad as the people they were complaining about.

I do not condone defamation even when the subjects are bad people. It is wrong and lacks integrity. There is a lot of defamation that goes on on the internet and I find it deplorable.

As an example, it was posted over and over again that WOC had been "closed down" many times, that Anderson had been arrested for animal cruelty and that they continually failed inspections, but, in fact, none of these things are true.

As an example:

Here is what the article says about the inspections:
Diana Fuchs, administrator of Companion Animal Program (the "Pet Lemon Law") for the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, confirms Anderson's claim that Wizard of Claws has a clean record. "There have been a number of complaints against Wizard of Claws," she says, "but the majority of them have been resolved satisfactorily. At this point, we have no outstanding complaints with them. Wizard of Claws responded in a way that we would want them to respond. Quite frequently, they have asked us to fax a complaint to them so that they can respond to you faster. I wish they would all do that."

I hope this clarifies my concerns.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

As an example, it was posted over and over again that WOC had been "closed down" many times, that Anderson had been arrested for animal cruelty and that they continually failed inspections, but, in fact, none of these things are true.

Well actually, it says that they did "close down" and had to reincorporate under a different name. The guys wife even had to open the business under her name instead of his.

[PlatinumYorkies]

It's sad that just because he settled out of court (ALOT) so to speak, doesn't make him clean. Also, from what I've been read, and keep reading the only difference's between him, and Jeff Dane, is Florida's STRICT Lemon Law that is kept on record, and expensive car's. Oh, and the fact that Jeff Dane, doesn't look like a muderous rap mogul crime CROOK!

[PlatinumYorkies]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Well actually, it says that they did "close down" and had to reincorporate under a different name. The guys wife even had to open the business under her name instead of his.

Here is his wife's site!!!
http://www.bygilda.com/

[tndefender]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

tndefender: thanks for the opportunity to explain:

First, let me say I do not appreciate being accused of "defending" this buisness (I am referring to Post # 18) because I am not and have never done that. I am not doing that now. I would not personally buy an animal from these people or recommend that anyone else do so.

I do however have a problem with intentional misinformation being spread over the internet in the form of rumors and lies because that does more harm than good. It would be easier to get this place shut down if the truth were told and the owners had no defense to what is written since it would all be true. Posting lies and untruths gives them a defense against those who participate in this behavior and the shooting up the store front gives them undeserved sympathy and puts the opposition in a bad light.

You would have that to have been here for a while and read all of the misinformation that has been written about this broker. I am all for posting and warning about businesses that abuse and mistreat animals and I do believe those should be shut down, but there were so many false rumors and out and out lies about WOC that they "lost" all credibility with me because when I would discover that the things they were saying were not true it made me wonder if ANY of it was true, and I found the liars and misinformation spreaders almost as bad as the people they were complaining about.

I do not condone defamation even when the subjects are bad people. It is wrong and lacks integrity. There is a lot of defamation that goes on on the internet and I find it deplorable.

As an example, it was posted over and over again that WOC had been "closed down" many times, that Anderson had been arrested for animal cruelty and that they continually failed inspections, but, in fact, none of these things are true.

As an example:

Here is what the article says about the inspections:
Diana Fuchs, administrator of Companion Animal Program (the "Pet Lemon Law") for the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, confirms Anderson's claim that Wizard of Claws has a clean record. "There have been a number of complaints against Wizard of Claws," she says, "but the majority of them have been resolved satisfactorily. At this point, we have no outstanding complaints with them. Wizard of Claws responded in a way that we would want them to respond. Quite frequently, they have asked us to fax a complaint to them so that they can respond to you faster. I wish they would all do that."

I hope this clarifies my concerns.

Thank you for responding to my post. This does clarify your concerns and they are well taken. But in the case of WOC (and Jeff Dane, subject of another thread today) the basic indisputable facts about the operation itself speak for themselves. An attack on the characters of the people involved is almost superfluous.

Frankly, I find the fact WOC has a so-called "clean" record with Florida Dept. of Agriculture to be somewhat meaningless. We are not talking about livestock here. But then again, to compare these breeders to farmers is to do the farmers a disservice.

[hunniebunnie]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Diana Fuchs, administrator of Companion Animal Program (the "Pet Lemon Law") for the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, confirms Anderson's claim that Wizard of Claws has a clean record. "There have been a number of complaints against Wizard of Claws," she says, "but the majority of them have been resolved satisfactorily. At this point, we have no outstanding complaints with them.

It sounds to me like they have a "clean record" because they eventually resolved all the complaints and violations as required by the dept of agriculture and consumer services. kinda like you can have a "clean dmv record" but that doesn't necessarily mean you've never had any points on your record.

what are some of the other "unfounded rumours" about WofC that the article appears to dispell?

[Sherry Lynn]

Said he was shut down a couple of times and fined $20,000 one time and $4,600 (I believe it was) another time. Obviously this is a person of very little integrity. IMO he's not worth defending, even in the guise of 'getting the story straight'. We've all been witness (on this forum) how we all see our own 'truths' and how a Google search will find an article to support whatever 'truth' you choose to defend.

Doesn't make it moral...

[hunniebunnie]

part 2 of the nbc investigation is out now.

puppy heartbreak part 1
puppy heartbreak part 2