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Old 02-07-2006, 01:05 PM   #1
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Default Please Do Not Use Electric Fences and Shock Collars

I do not believe in causing physical harm to a dog to a train it and I wanted to start this thread to protect our babies from those who may advise this as a solution for a problem your baby may have.

Here is a quote from a vet about her opinion which is siliar to mine and her reasoning which makes sense to me.

Do you approve of electric fences and shock collars?

Electronic fences and shock collars electrically shock dogs when they cross a line, bark, or don’t respond to a command. These cruel devices physically hurt animals and can cause severe psychological problems as well. Companion animals should not have to live in fear of receiving electric shocks for normal behavior, such as barking. Positive training methods, in which dogs are rewarded for what they do right, are kinder and more effective.

Dogs trained with shock collars and electric fences may develop fears of or aggression aimed at what they BELIEVE is the source of the shock (kids riding by on bikes, the mailman, the dog next door, etc.). Dogs have been known to run through electric barriers when frightened by fireworks or chasing a squirrel, and then are scared to cross back through the barrier.

It’s also worth noting that while electric fences may keep your dog inside the yard, they do nothing to protect your companion from other roaming dogs, cruel humans, or other animals who can freely enter the property.
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You do what you have to do. I do not approve of collars of any sort...whether it be a shock collar or one to walk them down the sidewalk on.

My dogs have not been effected in any way psychologically by being shocked once or twice when the fence first went up. They are very lovable, playful beings.

Someone mentioned the underground wire. If I'm not mistaken, when training with these, the dog wears a collar and once the collar has stepped over that boundary or close to it, it makes a loud sound that only the dogs can hear. Sorry, but I'm not going to risk strangulation trying to train my dog.

To each his own. What works for one person may not work for another. I've walked into my hot wire and my kids have. It didn't make anyone cry and no one regressed and started wetting on themselves again.
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SoCal....I don't believe you posted like this just to upset a member here....it's no wonder this site has so many closed threads when someone INTENDS to start a conflict just because they CAN.

LOW Voltage Fences are NOT USED FOR TRAINING ! They're to stop digging and possibly losing a DOG to going under the fence....

You have other agendas posting this and I hope the whole thing gets deleted.

NO ONE HERE would EVER HARM their yorkie ! If it works for someone - vs LOSING their yorkie - then I say great....I've had to chase little Cheri down once when she got under my fence and I was in a total PANIC and if I could afford an alternative - I'd go with it

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SoCal....I don't believe you posted like this just to upset a member here....it's no wonder this site has so many closed threads when someone INTENDS to start a conflict just because they CAN.

LOW Voltage Fences are NOT USED FOR TRAINING ! They're to stop digging and possibly losing a DOG to going under the fence....

You have other agendas posting this and I hope the whole thing gets deleted.
Well, I'm not upset at all. This is just something that we'll have to agree to disagree on. But unlike certain individuals, I do not make an issue of things that someone does or doesn't do and start threads about them.

But, you make an excellent point, Villette! It is not used for training.
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Well, I'm not upset at all. This is just something that we'll have to agree to disagree on. But unlike certain individuals, I do not make an issue of things that someone does or doesn't do and start threads about them.

But, you make an excellent point, Villette! It is not used for training.
Good Kimberly ...that's the right attitude.

To make the comparasion between training and the safety of a dog in the yard is 2 different things. When that pittbull was in the yard next to me... I WISH I had something to keep my girls away from that side of the fence.
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I started this thread because I am passionate about the protection of yorkies and was shocked to learn that some members here think it is okay to use electric fences when, as a dog trainer and lover, I am opposed to them.

They do cause aggression and other problems and there are many humane alternatives. The use of these devices on small breed dogs should not be allowed imo.
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your opinion has been given and heard. Why keep repeating it?

I didn't know you were a dog trainer - did you need to be certified ?
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Hey, let's chill out

I don't agree with shock collars either and I will never use one. I think it's important to make sure they were tested before you use them to make sure that they are up to standard and will not fry your dog's neck with a malfunction
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I'm through with this thread. If anyone is interested in learning how to set up one of these, please pm me and I'll give you the details! Have a nice day!
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I don't agree with shock collars either and I will never use one. I think it's important to make sure they were tested before you use them to make sure that they are up to standard and will not fry your dog's neck with a malfunction
I do agree with that statement - I don't personally know of anyone that uses them - I sure know I wouldn't. THAT would sound more like a training thing and I don't agree with them either.
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I don't agree with shock collars either and I will never use one. I think it's important to make sure they were tested before you use them to make sure that they are up to standard and will not fry your dog's neck with a malfunction
Ha...I witness a such testing of this one time. A friend got drunk and thought it would be funny to put one on. Once the controls got in the wrong hands, he was shocked everytime he tried to get it off. He had it on for about an hour. I don't know if there were any lasting effects...he wasn't all there to begin with!
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LOL !!! Your friends sound like some of MY friends and I can only imagine how funny that was. It could only have been a GUY that would do that...both the shocker and the ShockEE
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I started this thread because I am passionate about the protection of yorkies and was shocked to learn that some members here think it is okay to use electric fences when, as a dog trainer and lover, I am opposed to them.

They do cause aggression and other problems and there are many humane alternatives. The use of these devices on small breed dogs should not be allowed imo.

I agree.... although I am noone to judge anyone , everyone does have their own mind and opinions, but I personally am against those devices as well ..there are so many alternatives to use ,we just need to get crafty about it..I use tent stakes to secure my fence so it does not lift nor can they dig around it. But that's me. hubby likes those but I believe in not using something I would not feel comfortable using on myself. IMO
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I don't agree with shock collars either and I will never use one. I think it's important to make sure they were tested before you use them to make sure that they are up to standard and will not fry your dog's neck with a malfunction
I agree. I don't use collars of any type.
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Oh, and just for the record, Rebel has NEVER exhibited any aggression until AFTER I got him back from the lady on Friday. He got out on a side that did not have the electric wire, so please don't tell me that he was aggressive from being shocked once 5 months ago.
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