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chattiesmom 02-07-2006 05:56 PM
Kimberly, it looks like a very nice setup. What a lot of people don't understand is that an electric fence is one of the safest and most humane confinement methods available. Unlike a chain link fence where many dogs try to dig under and damage toe nails or squeeze through and get caught in the little links, get cut on sharp points on the wire, etc. an electric fence provides immediate decisive impact that will change behavior. Cause and effects...... I touch the fence and I get shocked -- most animals, especially dogs as intelligent as Yorkies catch on very quickly. It usually doesn't take more than one or two encounters with an electric fence before even the most determined critter learns that it just isn't worth it.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chattiesmom
Kimberly, it looks like a very nice setup. What a lot of people don't understand is that an electric fence is one of the safest and most humane confinement methods available. Unlike a chain link fence where many dogs try to dig under and damage toe nails or squeeze through and get caught in the little links, get cut on sharp points on the wire, etc. an electric fence provides immediate decisive impact that will change behavior. Cause and effects...... I touch the fence and I get shocked -- most animals, especially dogs as intelligent as Yorkies catch on very quickly. It usually doesn't take more than one or two encounters with an electric fence before even the most determined critter learns that it just isn't worth it.
Right on! :thumbup:

SoCalyorkiLvr 02-07-2006 06:05 PM
I have never seen any of the invisible fences that are designed for dogs under 6 lbs. I don't think the collars will fit a small yorkie will they? Does anyone have one that is?

Here is a link to an article by the Association of pet Behavior Counselors regarding "shock collars".
http://www.apbc.org.uk/article2.htm

I apologize for referring to the author of the article I posted in the OP as a vet...I read it too quickly and I thought it said "ASK DR. Carla". My error. If admin or a moderator could edit that I would appreciate it as I do not want it to mislead anyone. :)

YorkieShadow 02-07-2006 06:10 PM
I would not use a collar or electric fence fo my Yorkies. I just dont care for them. My neighbors have them and their dog went ride thru it and was killed on the road out front.If they want some thing bad enough, it wont stop them.

SoCalyorkiLvr 02-07-2006 06:14 PM
I have never heard of a "no fence" rule. Do you not have pools or water features then? This is so unusual......in California you have to have a fence around a pool.

I see that a lot of people use the invisible fence. Is it designed for small breed dogs?

I like the kind Gina talked about that emits a high pitched sound. That sounds more humane for some reason.

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?

fl24019 02-07-2006 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieShadow
I would not use a collar or electric fence fo my Yorkies. I just dont care for them. My neighbors have them and their dog went ride thru it and was killed on the road out front.If they want some thing bad enough, it wont stop them.
I agree. I am also having trouble understanding how an electric wire set at a height that will deter a Yorkie from getting out will also deter a German Shepherd trying to get IN.

eyedoc 02-07-2006 06:18 PM
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Wow! it works inside too? How much does it cost? That is much better than an annoying babygate
The cost varies on what you want to do. You can install in all or part of the yard or inside. You can contact a Petsafe contractor in your area and they will give you a quote. Our guy also had alot of references so you can talk to other customers and hear about thier experiences. We are very happy customers.

YorkieRini 02-07-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I have never heard of a "no fence" rule. Do you not have pools or water features then? This is so unusual......in California you have to have a fence around a pool.

I see that a lot of people use the invisible fence. Is it designed for small breed dogs?

I like the kind Gina talked about that emits a high pitched sound. That sounds more humane for some reason.

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?
Some newer developments have the 'no fence' rule. I think that's too controlling, I wouldn't live in a community like that but some do and they cna't put up a fence....

cheryl000 02-07-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I have never heard of a "no fence" rule. Do you not have pools or water features then? This is so unusual......in California you have to have a fence around a pool.

I see that a lot of people use the invisible fence. Is it designed for small breed dogs?

I like the kind Gina talked about that emits a high pitched sound. That sounds more humane for some reason.

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?
because my kid does NOT run out into the street and does come to me when I call for him. My dog doesn't. I'm sorry my dog isn't perfect, she's still a puppy and is learning.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fl24019
I agree. I am also having trouble understanding how an electric wire set at a height that will deter a Yorkie from getting out will also deter a German Shepherd trying to get IN.
We have our wire set up 4-5 inches off of the ground. Now, if a GS had a 4-5 inch step, then I guess that it wouldn't keep them out but most dogs only lift their feet a couple of inches. We have our privacy fence, though so a large dog wouldn't be able to climb that.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:29 PM
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because my kid does NOT run out into the street and does come to me when I call for him. My dog doesn't. I'm sorry my dog isn't perfect, she's still a puppy and is learning.
I agree. My kids know to come when they are called. Gracie knows to come when she's called. Rebel...lives up to his name. :rolleyes:

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:45 PM
Your statements are a little contradictory...

Originally Posted by fl24019
Fences keep our pups in, but it's also important to remember that we're trying to keep predators and other dogs out, especially if we have unspayed females. Just my input.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...7&page=5&pp=15

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I agree. I am also having trouble understanding how an electric wire set at a height that will deter a Yorkie from getting out will also deter a German Shepherd trying to get IN.

red98vett 02-07-2006 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?
SoCal ... making a comparasion to children is just SILLY.

I wouldn't HARNESS a child (cept in a car seat).... but both my YORKIE girls have one on when they're out. Maybe Harnesses are cruel now also ? After all - it's a form of bondage. :rolleyes:

and what Behavorists are you referring to ? the ONE that you copied off the net ?

It sure sounds like all the people who actually use these fences have nothing but positive things to say... and why Keep DEBATING this ?

Breeze 02-07-2006 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by red98vett
SoCal ... making a comparasion to children is just SILLY.

I wouldn't HARNESS a child (cept in a car seat).... but both my YORKIE girls have one on when they're out. Maybe Harnesses are cruel now also ? After all - it's a form of bondage. :rolleyes:

and what Behavorists are you referring to ? the ONE that you copied off the net ?

It sure sounds like all the people who actually use these fences have nothing but positive things to say... and why Keep DEBATING this ?
Honestly anything can lead to psycological problems, too much love, too much freedom, my mom made me wear pink......my god... its really never ending. :confused:

SoCalyorkiLvr 02-07-2006 07:14 PM
You hold a child's hand (although I have seen children on leashes) and toddlers do not know not to run into the street and have to be supervised until they are old enought to know not to run into the street.

We train our children. We should train our dogs too.

The way I train my family about the yorkies is to tell them that "it is just like having toddlers in the house"....you have to "puppy proof" the house, you have to look before you close a door or take a step, you have to know where the toddlers are at all times if you are the one responsible for them at the moment, etc.

I continue to "discuss" this because I am learning from others and they are learning from me which is why I like this forum. :) No one "has" to read this thread. ;)


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