Ha ha ha...I've met some little terrors (kids that is) that might benefit from a shock collar!
Actually, I ran into my vet this afternoon at the movie store and asked her about this. She said that WHEN PROPERLY adjusted, the shock that a dog feels from this is less that what humans feel when they used a TENS unit. (Don't know how many people know what that is.) I've had to use one of these several times and they don't hurt, but I can see how something like that would deter (sp?) a dog who is not capable of understanding the concept. So MY thinking (let me stress the MY part of that) is that, electrical impulses like this ARE used on humans...without damage.
Now, I know not everyone will agree/believe this, but I am just trying to give some imput from someone who actually has knowledge of this type thing--translate it as you will.

Everyone is allowed there own feelings and of course make the decision how to train their own dog (s). I have tried everything to keep Bell from running out the door when ever someone comes in, She runs away like she has fire ants up her butt, I live in a gated community but there are still cars that race down the street, Bell is bigger than the regular yorkie , but still small and I'm so afraid that she will get hit by a car and get killed.
Shock might seem cruel, but I would rather my dog be shocked then killed by a car.. And yes I have spent many hours with her trying my hardest to get her to learn. I have watched all the dog whisperer shows and tried his ideas and still she wants out, so what would you do, if not a electric fence? And I have large doorways and doors that go to the outside all over my house, so gates won't work for me. I'm not looking to fight with anyone, just giving everyone another look at how other people might think ;)

:eek: Oh my! That bad, huh? I bet that must be a sight! ;)

Here is my reason for being against shock collars...not electric fencing which many of my friends use.

When i was growing up my dad raised quarter horses and always kept a blue heeler (cow dog). He had one named Maggie. She was a true bitch if you know what I mean. She'd bite the ankles of the ups man, she'd keep people from coming up to the front door. Only person she liked was my Dad and he refused to part with her although she did annoying things like running off all the time. He got a shock collar for her. One day a girl who boarded her horse at our place left her car door open to return to get something she forgot. Maggie jumped in her back seat. This poor girl drove 6 miles away before she heard a low "growwwwlll" in her backseat. She said she froze and turned her car around while speaking sweetly to mean ol' maggie laying in her back floorboard eyeballing her. While this was going on, there's my dad at the house, standing on the porch pissed that she's ran off again and hitting that button on the shock thing, so Maggie's being shocked while riding down the road with the girl who was trying to return her. We all about died when we realized what had happened and the shock collar was thrown away. My dad meant no harm, but he was a cowboy and he had his own way of doing things. He loved his animals, just got really irritated with Maggie because she was so pampered yet acted like a total biddy to anyone who approached her. Maggie eventually ran away one day never to return. Its a mystery to us all to this day. My dad had a dog lot but didn't keep her in it 24/7. He liked to let her run in the pastures which is what was in her blood to do by nature. My dad is no longer with us, but my family and I still get a kick out of picturing Maggie laying in the backseat of our terrified friend's car. So I say NO to any kind of shock collar. Electric fencing is something that I feel some need to use for their own reasons and I don't find it to be in-humane.

Such a sad sorry and my heart is breaking for the loss of your dad. I have lost three parents in less than 3 years (2 bio, 1 step).

But I feel that this was the result of not using the shock collar responsibly, that has to be taken into consideration.

Kimberley - just wondering...

If you have an electric fence up at all times, is there a switch of some sort to turn it off? Is there constantly an electric current running through it? I'd bet something like that would do wonders for the price of your electric bill :rolleyes:

Yes, but toddlers and children too young to know better do not bolt and run at speeds that we can't catch them. Even supervised dogs can take off in a unpredictable flash.

My sister uses an electric fence. The dog has had professional training and stays in the yard but runs the border barking at everyone. Her father-in-law lives with them (80 years old) and constantly lets her out...no matter how many times he's been asked to be careful.
She is a big, frightening looking dog and she scared the heck out of people. It was becoming a real problem. Even though she was on her own land people were getting angry and afraid for their kids. My sister bought the fence, installed it back from the road...problem solved. The collar doesn't even need to be turned on anymore, she stays within the borders.

Oh, and my sister tried the collar first (she loves that dog like we do ours). She said it wasn't bad at all.

DOGS are different than children. My son knows not to open the fence and leave the yard. My dog, given the opportunity WILL squeeze out of the gate SUPERVISED. I calll for her and sometimes she just keeps running towards the gap in the gate that can't be blocked. Even "trained" dogs at times get relapses and decide not to listen. I am not going to let that happen and I like the idea of having the extra insurance that she will change her mind if she tries to run away. It is an extra precaution, like "puppy proofing the yard." Sometimes you can even take every precaution and bad things still happen. No one is perfect and I'm not even going to pretend to be.

I don't know what to say to all of this. I left for a few hours, and what a mess. Folks, we all do what we think is best to protect those we love whether they are our human children, or our furbabies. I don't think anyone who is a frequent poster on YT would intentionally harm or tramatize their pet.

Personally, I'd rather see someone using a low voltage wire to keep their pet on their property than letting them run the neighborhood like one of my neighbors does with her two Yorkies. The whole neighborhood is involved in keeping her babies safe. It's such an imposition on others to act so irresponsibily. I wish my neighbor would get a hot wire or do something to protect her babies.

Thank you to YT for providing this opportunity to exercise our constitutional right to free speech.

May the love of Yorkies be with you!! :love:
And may you find peace...... :yorkiesar

I see nothing wrong with the electric fencing. I plan on installing one this summer and my vet said it was perfectly safe. I dont think it is inhumane and i think comparing a dog to a child is ridiculous. A dog is an animal a child is human enough said there. My neighbor used the electric fencing and it worked wonderfully and quickly he doesnt even have to use it anymore.

?? I was trying to make exactly the same point in both posts.

That's what I thought???? :confused: I think Kimberley just got confused maybe...I wouldn't worry about it.... :)

I don't think she was confused, I think she would have said so if she were. :confused:

Socal --

Just curious. I know you have several yorkies currently. Have you ever lost a dog to tragedy?

That comment about Children on Leashes ? :rolleyes: Hmmmmmmm.....not cool.

I think we all know about puppy proofing a home...I for one don't need to be lectured in that area....this thread is NOT about that. It's about keeping our dogs safe when they are outside...it's about FENCES....

and again ...comparing a child or toddler to a yorkie outside is just silly. Children learn from us what is dangerous....and we can't walk around HOLDING OUR DOGS HAND. So your point just doesn't apply here. All the training in the world may not stop a dog from bolting or chasing something.... and I agree with everyone here - It would hurt FAR LESS to get a mild zap then to be hit by a car....