Parti Yorkie Colorado - HELP
 

I am looking into purchasing a parti yorkie. I am struggling with the fact that you place a deposit and pick a puppy based on a picture at a tiny age, you don't know their personality. Are the good ol days of going to pick out a puppy based on interactions over?

Last time I got a dog, I saw lots of various ones and passed on lots of them based on their personality and not being a good fit. Because of that, I took my time and got the best dog ever.

The one time I got a dog, based on a picture not seeing it in person. I got screwed and the dog was unhealthy and died within a year.

I am also looking for recommendations for breeders in Colorado.

I have seen many members having to buy puppies based on a picture only and having to put a deposit down. That would not work out for me. Like you, I need to see the personality of the puppy. Puppies features, coat color change day to day, how would one even know if they got the puppy in the picture.

Hang in there, wait until you find a breeder that will let you see the puppies, this is going to be tough now with this Pandemic.

I cannot help with breeder info.

Thank you. I am researching now to find a good breeder with a good health guarantee. Given the fact I have been lied to before, I am covering my basis. This whole thing is crazy! You don't know what the puppy is going to look like at 1 week old? The oldest I found so far is three weeks old.

I wouldn’t buy a puppy without first seeing them in person. A lot of people are getting scammed that way.

I agree, but I can't seem to find any one that does that in Colorado.

I would never purchase a dog w/o meeting the breeder in their home, yard, seeing the parents in person and the whole litter to assess the overall health of each sibling. Then, I need to be able to spend time with the pup I'm thinking of choosing there at the breeder's home, talking to the breeder, asking questions, getting an overall impression of their interest in their dogs, me, my history w/dogs, etc. I've seen a brain-damaged puppy or two at breeder's homes and they just behave differently, will never make the pet you hope to have. I have fostered two grown brain-damaged dogs and believe me, they do not come around, forever remain rather unconnected in the way you'd really want of your dog. Some 'toy' dogs are absolutely huge as puppies so you know the sales job has been misrepresented, other pups act totally weird, odd, dashing under furniture and staying there, uncurious and scared. Others have ear leather so thick it will never stand, lack the muscles to be able to hold them up, eyes may be pus-filled or nose runny, tummies with hernias, hicks in the gait, the tails carried too low, too proud, ears too wideset, eyes narrowly set, all kinds of things a young picture will never tell you. One pup had a tongue so long it hung out of its little mouth! And pictures never reveal the dogs true personality which you should know as well as possible before placing any deposit and then being certain you know that's going to be the pup you actually pick up weeks later. Too many other reasons to list why you MUST meet your breeders and dogs at their homes before choosing your pet for the next 15 years.

Pictures may be faked and how do you even know you will get a dog? Would never get my dog w/out meeting it, its siblings, parents, breeder.

Thank you for confirming my hesitation! That is why I want to stick with someone in Colorado, so I have the ability to see them. Where do people find the reputable breeders?

I would contact the closest AKC Yorkshire Terrier club and ask them for names of reputable breeders, correspond with all you can and then network from there. Google local dog shows - even past ones to see if you can find names of breeders of show dogs, contact them by kennel name and work outward from your correspondence and conversations. Go by the questions they ask of you to assess your worthiness as a potential owner of one of their dogs. If they aren't fussy about potential buyers, want to know an awful lot about you, are open to showing you their breeding facilities, etc., don't do business with them. They are in breeding just for the money or whatever, but don't care about the home their dogs go into or may be hiding puppy mill type facilities. Often, if you don't want to pay top price for a show breeder's pet quality dogs, they will often tell you of a friend who is a type of hobby breeder the show breeder recommends who is reputable, has some good, quality dogs; or even another show breeder who happens to have a pup or two they cannot show and need to find a good home for. Networking is the best way to find a few good, reputable breeders you can talk with, then visit one day and find your next little love.

Have you tried the AKC website and puppy finder?

The only problem is many show breeders find Parti yorkies to be controversial and don’t generally breed them since they can’t be shown.

I stay FAR away from Puppy finder. That is where I found my trainwreck last time. The breeder reviews were great on there. Well when I went to put my review for the breeder, she took it down. I had all the evidence that my dog was not healthy, vet bills ect and Puppy Finder still took it down.

I emailed a few people on AKC, haven't heard back.

It just seems like so many people have moved to deposits on dogs at weeks old and you wouldn't haven't a chance of "picking them out" based on interactions.

Yes, I did see that it can spark some anger in people. We are all entitled to our own opinions and I hope people can see it that way.

I don’t mean puppy finder I mean the puppy finder area of the AKC’s website.

Ok! Got it.

I have a chocolate and always wanted one and people have issues with those too. So no judgment here. I actually saw a local breeder posting Ollie my chocolate at almost 6 months saying she couldn’t get anyone to buy him because he was bigger. It worked great for me because my pups are all bigger at 16 and 14 pounds.

Still even show breeders can steer her to other breeders and networking can get her to a breeder she feels comfortable enough to ask about parti-breeders as a question or however she feels the need to broach the question. First comes reputable breeders, whatever kind of pup one is looking for, otherwise you are left with whatever the internet has to offer. As it's a recessive gene, even reputable breeders might know of someone whose bitch whelped one or more parti's as that breeder might have been misled about the true lineage of one or more of the breeding pair as a Yorkie might be a carrier of the gene, can pass it to another who carries it and if two carriers are bred together, parti pups. Or pedigrees, records can be faked, whatever, it can happen.

That is what I was hoping for, is a reference for someone in colorado. No one on the AKC website has gotten back to me. And the people that have web pages seem to deposits and holds on babies. So I am hitting a brick wall.

This! I have been having this same problem. After our experience with a dog that turned aggressive it’s so important to me to meet the puppy. There are breeders out there that will put you on a waitlist and then let you have pick of the litter based on your position in the waitlist but they are hard to find! I’ve found one close enough for me to visit but let me tell you it comes with a price. These puppies are much more expensive than other puppies I’ve found but she also does health testing and training so it’s just a higher caliber breeder all around. I would suggest joining the Facebook group “Uncensored Opinions of Breeders (for real) “ and also “Purebred snobs” they can help direct you but you might have better luck looking at Biewers instead of a parti yorkie because that coloring is not Akc most great breeders will not be breeding for those colors.

These are Biewer breeders near you- might have better luck with

Biewer's also come with a very high price tag and they are not yorkies and are rare because they are a new breed and recently accepted by the AKC . If you are not familiar with the Biewer breed and what to look for such as color placement, you could be sold a parti yorkie but pay a Biewer price and you would never know the difference if you are not familiar with both the Biewer breed and the yorkie Parti.

Ran into my share of show breeder/show dogs snobs here in Dallas, Texas myself, haha. Even networked into Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado back then. Have to roll w/the punches and keep on searching, looking at regular AKC puppies to see if you see the type of Yorkie you'd like except for the coat, then get breeder info from that new owner, talk to that breeder, keep trying to network. That's how I found my breeder, saw a litter, their sire I couldn't take my eyes off of and got his breeder info from his owners, passed on their pups, went straight to the source. There were a houseful of clones of that gorgeous sire! Can take up to 8 mos. to find your breeder, it took over 18 mos. of going, looking, talking endlessly to sellers, breeders, driving all over this end of Texas, to find mine. Then months to a year or more to wait for the just-right breeding, pregnancy, whelping, 4 mos. w/mom time, before I could bring my pup home and when the time finally came, I took thin, little runt Jilly over my chosen, long-awaited gorgeous puppy! Tiny little Jilly had so many medical problems, issues, but she was my love for 13 years.

If you are looking for a rarity, must be prepared to take even longer but a good search will teach you much about things you need to know about the 'business' of dog breeding/buying and that only scrapes the surface.

Thank you!

Definitely agree that Biewers are more expensive. I know of a Yorkie (Traditional /Blonde/Sable) and Biewer Breeder named Pat. Her website is StellarStardustBabydolls. I know that she does not offer her pets for sale until they are 6 weeks old. This way she can see their temperament/personality and see if the family would match. However her price tag is a little bit higher (usually 2000+), but she does a lot of health testing from what I've seen and has a 3 year health guarantee.

Biewers are not the same as yorkies they have a different temperament and personality. They also cost twice as much as a yorkie. They also are still breeding health issues out of them so you might end up with a dog that ends up having a health issue. There can be good breeders who follow every aspect of the great breeders rules but break the color breeding rule. The problem is even show breeders can be bad breeders like I have heard of them breeding dogs with Luxating Patella. They also will dye their show dogs hair if necessary. It’s kind of a give and take thing. You have to decide what parts are important to you. I would rather a very passionate hobby breeder to a show breeder but that’s due to my experience and opinions.

People seem to think Biewers are just like yorkies but they have completely different personalities and such.

I think any Yorkie is cute but honestly just prefer the good old blue and tan regulation Yorkshire Terrier for looks. I love the honey/blue steel color they change to as they grow, even graying a lot if have incorrect, cottony coats. The Biewers and Parti's are cute but I stick with plain old AKC regulations as the most Yorkie-looking type little face and body I can get. I kinda worry deliberately breeding for recessive genes could turn out worse than hobby breeding but don't really know much about breeding genetic ethics at all. Just know I love a Yorkie face more than any other dog breed ever.

Biewers are not yorkies so they are a totally different dog. Every other breed has different colors so at this point I think it’s normal. You can still register yorkies with color “faults” with the AKC you just have to send a picture. Different colors would even pop up in good breeding so I think different colors can be just as health as traditional yorkies it just depends. I saw someone trying to sell pure black yorkies but they weren’t AKC so they were mixes trying to be passed off as rare so you just have to be careful when buying an off color.

Buying a yorkie through photo
 

I just had a potentially catastrophic experience related to buying a dog via photo. In this case it was Parti Yorkie and "seller". seemed really responsible: wanted to know if I ever had a puppy, did I have a Vet, small children...etc. When I finally saw the photo's and videos, the puppy was adorable...and then....the puppy was in Oakland, CA, I'm in Los Angeles, No Problem, the seller told me, She had a delivery co and it wold only be $125 in addition to the $700 for the puppy - a very reasonable - almost too reasonable price - but the seller, Maria, only wanted a good home....blah blah....She wanted 1/2 down and for me to send the money through Zelle - most banks have that it's like Venmo. But, when I sent the the transfer - my bank put a "hold" on it, pending a review - Maria got very upset, told me to just cancel it and try again...I said I couldn't. - It turned out something in the transaction - where the money was being transferred that tripped the bank's fraud section. But I didn't find out that until later - but, once their was an issue with bank and getting the funds, "Maria" disappeared. DON'T BUY A DOG FROM A PHOTO. PERIOD. EVER. Later, B of A fraud division told me the reason why Maria wanted to use Zelle for the $ transfer - with Zelle once that $ is released you have no recourse - it's like cash. They advise never to use Zelle and Venmo with people you don't know. And, one other thing they said, most puppy scams will ask for the payment to made by purchsiing gift cards. Again - once that gift card is released/transferred the biyer has no recourse. Buy a dog that you see and see the dog's parents. Sorry this took so long.....
Meanwhile I'm still looking for a Yorkie. My last Yorkie Charlie passed recently and I'm bereft. It's going to take time, but I'll find one. You will too.. Also, about the Parti Yorkies - One Yorkie breeders site said the AKC does not recognize them. I'm not sure that's true or if it matters to you. Good luck.

Yeah but so recently many of us still classify them in our heads as Yorkie produced from mutated genes at first - but from their AKC website history, it sounds as if the Biewers were trying for a multi-colored dog, their interest in breeding Yorkies having waned in 1981. Maybe they had a mutation or introduced another breed or two to get the colors B4 that first Biewer type dog was whelped. Now known as Biewer Terriers, a stand-alone breed and AKC History says they have a piebald recessive gene not usually found in the Yorkshire Terrier. So I would think Biewer breeders likely do occasionally have the parti-colored Yorkie-like pups, too, now and then. Here is some more information on Biewer's from the AKC website, interesting history that notes Yorkshire Terrier breeders were that couple named Biewer who was involved in naming these rare & unique pups, first documented birth in 1984, the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, which later known as the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon, pompon meaning a small, decorated ball of feathers or fabric, also called pompom or tuft-like! AKC has a recognized a parent club and has breeder info to start networking from perhaps. Way more info than I had when I started hunting for reputable Yorkie breeders back in the day b4 the internet:

https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/biewer-terrier/

Welcome to the Biewer Terrier Club of America

Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom-Pon

Interesting reading from this Google search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=part...hrome&ie=UTF-8