I just don’t want anyone to think they are the same because they aren’t. Someone might think they are get one and realize that they have much different personalities. Although they are absolutely beautiful I personally love the yorkie attitude and personality. I think that looking for a breeder with the internet tools can definitely be more helpful then without but sadly there are a lot more scammers out there then I even thought.

They are listed on the AKC website as a Biewer Terrier, a stand-alone breed but likely many will always think of them as some derivation of a Yorkshire Terrier due to their size, appearance, the way coats grow and are worn, with the topknot, floor length hair, tails, beards, history of breeding by noted Yorkshire Terrier breeders. But likely they have been bred to each other long enough now there could be significant differences other than appearance. And it's always been "buyer beware" with any dog purchase from the internet to the home setting so if people don't do their homework, lots of networking, researching their breeders bona fides, they often get scammed and disappointed, and it will always be, sad to say.

Likely, a true "Yorkie" person will forever be a Yorkie person, always captured by the lovely little fully clear tan/honey-sweet faces highlighting those mischievous little eyes and lovely, lively expressions of the standard tan and blue Yorkshire Terrier. That clear face just freezes me in my tracks with its striking loveliness. There is nothing else like it to me. No interruptions in the expressions, nothing to distract the eye from those darling little clear Yorkie faces.

There is something about the stripes and patches of different colors on a dog that otherwise looks like a Yorkie that is somehow discomfiting to this beholder's eye, for some reason. Cute? YES!!!! Look like Teddy Bears or stuffed toys in their cute, unique-looking factor. I love all dogs, such as those lovely, elegant new Azawakh Hounds, even the majestic Neapolitan Mastiff, you name it, all of the Heinz 57's out there. But those sharp color differences about the head and face keep Biewers and parti's from truly looking "Yorkie", at least to me. So I will forever think of any other look as separate breeds or dogs with breed fault, even if AKC allows parti's to be registered as Yorkshire Terriers but cannot show them at an AKC dog show as representative of the Yorkshire Terrier breed for their coat color fault. But cute - oh, yes, too cute, like little toys off the shelf and running around.

My sister had a parti-poodle, wonderful tight, curly coat, correct texture, full white, clear face and head, neck, body and tail, except for fully black ears & black saddle on back and that dog always said all poodle to me, so go figure. Never thought of her as a poodle with that major coat color fault - she was just precious. Of course, what dog isn't?

Biewer Terrier / Yorkie
 

I'm familiar with Biewer's and their history. And I understand Biewer's are considered an entirely separate breed.THat said, I don't "get" how they have completely different " "personalities and such" from Yorkies since Yorkie's are the basis of the breed. How could they be "completely" different? By "personalities" I think you ay have meant something else, like temperaments or ? Because every dog in a given breed has it's own personality. Their are some, say for example, characteristics which can be seen witho]I]]\




QUOTE=Lovetodream88;4815317]People seem to think Biewers are just like yorkies but they have completely different personalities and such.[/QUOTE]. Every dog within a given breed or even from the same litter have different personalities. That said, there are "characteristics" or "traits" that are consistent across an entire breed. An example with Yorkshire terriers is their head strong, some say stubborn "alpha" demeanor. Still I'm interested to hear how Biewer's are so different tempermentally or whatever than Yorkies.
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And, if you have a recommendation as to a breeder of Yorkie's in Southern California, I'd be most grateful.
Regards, Bethany

Oops, it's been an awful day doing my last minute taxes and I was bushed when typing "Never thought of her as a poodle" when should have read "Never thought of her as anything but all poodle", despite that major color fault. Still looked all poodle to me but then she had a clear face with no markings on it to carry the eye to them rather than her face and expression as a whole. Maybe others aren't distracted by facial markings but I just am, especially in my two favorite breeds, the Yorkshire Terrier and Standard Poodle, with toys and miniatures 3rd and 4th favs. I started out loving the poodle breed but the moment I saw my first Yorkie puppy, my little Scotty, in the fur, I fell totally head-over-heels in love and could not get him bought and home fast enough! He was only 3 mos. old and absolutely too tiny to be real but I was captivated by him.

Now Scotty had a black heart, by that I mean he loved getting into all the mischief he possibly could, warting you absolutely to death by confounding you some way or another, stealing your things, running off, hiding them and always into something he shouldn't be and nothing he could do was too awful that I didn't excuse it, think it was 'cute'! You'd have thought he'd grow up a be a totally wild head case w/few, if any, boundaries set for him,but he was a remarkably good-natured, well-behaved adult dog, still into mischief but less messy about it than as a puppy, a tiny but very healthy adult dog, the absolutely sweetest, lovingest dog I'd ever had. He was my dog, had eyes only for me in the family, took every step I did. Stayed by the door until I got home, greeted me like we hadn't seen one another for months each day. Boy I loved that little mite!

But I got Scotty before the gross over-breeding of the breed. He had a lovely, fine, silk coat, his conformation was spot on, wonderfully thin ear leather, ears that stood from the start, a lovely clear tan face that melted your heart when he turned it on you, even as a puppy - everything about him was lovely, cute, such fun, so mischievous you could have murdered him if he didn't make you love him so when he blasted you with that face, totally loving and sweet. He'd 'hug' me by placing that tiny, warm body of his across the front of my neck when I lay down and just sigh and linger there, like cupping his little body into my neck and turning that precious little face on me, his eyes squeezed almost shut with contentment in those moments that continued for up to 15 minutes of one long hug. He took pains to show his love, didn't push to get away when picked up, snuggled or held and would push the top of his bony little head into me for additional closeness, keep it there when I held him in my arms. He was so dear to me. But then each of my Yorkies has been - all totally different in temperament, habits and ways but all so, so dear. There is just no other breed like them!

But little Scotty was always a shade under 3 lbs., with all of the hard life that ensures a very tiny dog but totally healthy his entire life. And to think, I found him from an ad his hobby breeder placed in the newspaper 'Dogs For Sale' section, knew nothing about the breed, about the breeding of tinies or anything. Beginner's luck or blessing or whatever but I've loved Yorkies ever since. Every time I see one I'm stopped still in my tracks, star-struck, like seeing the most handsome, famous movie star ever or something. Then I try to get closer for a better look, hope I'll be allowed to interact and each encounter is an occasion. I love every dog I see but no other breed has that same effect on me. It's a Yorkie thing and only Yorkie people get it.

I didn’t mean to imply Biewers were the same as Yorkies, I just meant if the OP likes the parti coloring they may want to look into Biewers, I’ve been looking into them and find the price to be the same as a yorkie. A great breeder that is showing and has titles and health testing will not be breeding for parti colored yorkies. You could still find a good breeder but not a great one, so that’s up to the OP. I was mearly suggesting Biewers as an alternative were you can find a great breeder and they have the same “look” and size and a lot of the same attributes but they are not the same breed and you should do your homework on them. Personally I am loving them just as much as Yorkies from what I’m learning and I think their coloring is gorgeous and I’ve found two great breeders that health test and train and show thier pups and their prices are very reasonable- if OP wants to PM me I’ll give you info. It is totally up to you to make the switch from yorkie to Biewer but I hope you fall in love with them as I have. If not, that’s fine too. I hope you can find a good breeder and you should wait for one that makes you happy.

You didn't. We got your meaning. How are you all doing now that a bit of time has passed? Been thinking about you.

I think you can be a true yorkie lover and like the colors too. To me it’s the personality first. Ollie is a chocolate and has those very light brown eyes that will melt your soul. Although I know the AKC is the only way to know your getting a pure breed dog but I’m not a fan of the things they have done to many many breeds. I think we should follow the UK in leaving the tails intact and not take points off for that but it’s a totally different topic.

[quote=Bunny459;4815327]I'm familiar with Biewer's and their history. And I understand Biewer's are considered an entirely separate breed.THat said, I don't "get" how they have completely different " "personalities and such" from Yorkies since Yorkie's are the basis of the breed. How could they be "completely" different? By "personalities" I think you ay have meant something else, like temperaments or ? Because every dog in a given breed has it's own personality. Their are some, say for example, characteristics which can be seen witho]I]]



They are more laid back then yorkies and do not have the same prey drive. They also are known not to be as yappy as yorkies. I used to want one several years ago. I talked to several owners and did lots of research.

Would you mind sharing where you got this from. that way if I call I can say, I got this from such and such website.

They are more laid back then yorkies and do not have the same prey drive. They also are known not to be as yappy as yorkies. I used to want one several years ago. I talked to several owners and did lots of research.[/QUOTE]


I can't seem to find much info on the personality differences either. Except that the Biewer's need more exercise? if they are more laid back and less yappy, then that would be a plus in my "eyes".

I’m not sure which yorkies you are looking at but a Biewer runs about $3500 if someone is trying to get that for a yorkie then you are being taking advantage of. The general top price for a yorkie is $2500 but closer to the $1500 mark. The funny thing about price is that to low can mean something but so can to high.

I can't seem to find much info on the personality differences either. Except that the Biewer's need more exercise? if they are more laid back and less yappy, then that would be a plus in my "eyes".[/QUOTE]

Like I said I also talked to owners and did major research. I love the yorkie attitude and personality so a Biewer more then likely would not work for me but if you interested talk to one of the breeders and ask if you can talk to people they have sold to. Due to the fact they are still breeding health issues out of the that would be my biggest concern but any dog no matter the breeder can end up with health issues.

I didn't even know about personalities or breed traits, was drawn to want a my first Yorkie from that little clear face and expression, so I searched newspaper ads, Back then Yorkies were rare in dogs ads in the paper so the one for Scotty was it for months. I called, went to look and see and that face hooked me. How can personality draw you to a dog you've never even met?

Love me some chocolate Yorkies, too, but still, it's not my eye's favorite look for a Yorkie but we're all different, love what we love, which is why color mutations are so popular, due to their different look. A lot of people love different, 'rare', unique looks. And personality differences don't really move me, love all the differences dogs' personalities I've had here had, of course, except for the shut-down ones or severely frightened, fear-vicious dogs, who I felt so tender toward helping them was harder on my psyche, my nerves, my heart. You can't feel sorry for them and really be matter-of-fact when rehabbing them - they sense all your feelings and you really have to do self-talk to gear up to help them.

AKC, non-AKC, breeders will do what they and we want w/breeding dogs so no organizing body is ever going to be perfect or non-corrupt. What the AKC, other breeders did to GSD's is a horror to my eyes, seemingly ruined their hips and poor little Pekes, Bulldogs can rarely even naturally whelp due to enormous infant head sizes, seem to work at walking well, severely smushed muzzles so they struggle to cool themselves in hot temperatures, breathe audibly, seem to struggle for enough air - ugh! - again, from the current fad of breeders/buyers who care little for personality, just go for certain looks and who gradually change some show judge's minds by what is faddish. But personality wise, I love all those breeds, even w/their looks and problems but could never have one as they just seem to struggle w/so many issues. I love the look and personality of today's bulldog but cringe when I realize how so many seem to be having problems just getting through life. Whether we trim tails when pups are neonates who settle w/in moments of the procedure, cry more from being picked up or removed from their littermates vs. whether or not a breed can breathe w/out struggle, whelp naturally vs. dying if left to whelp alone and walk well seem far different issues to me so I recognize we're all different and put emphasis on different things we do or don't do to dogs, so be it.

I got that list from Welcome to the Biewer Terrier Club of America
A great place to learn about the breed

Also the two breeders I found that show Akc, have titles, health test, train, and support their puppies and are reputable are selling their pups in the 1,800-2,400 range which is about where most good yorkie breeders are too ;)

That’s interesting because the Biewers I have seen are well over $3,000 and I have seen any under that but maybe I’m not searching hard enough. I have never paid over a $1000 for a yorkie and that was Callie who came from a puppy mill and ended up with lots of issues but other then Callie I haven taken the outcasts no one wants. Joey was 9 weeks old no papers, full tail and had 2 homes before coming to me but he also came with a travel crate, a regular crate, some pee pads, toys and adult diet food with bad separation anxiety for $650. Penny was a gift for a 12 year old who lost interest at 8 months and came with ACA papers and a bad UTI, not spayed and really dirty for $500. Then Ollie turned out to be bigger then even his parents at 5 months old and no one wanted him because of that. He came from a midline breed not the worst but certainly not the best he actually had AKC papers and is a chocolate for $700 with full breeding rights. I have always been the kid who wanted the stuffed animals that had things messed up so not surprised to be the island of misfit yorkies lol. I have actually have slightly been looking for a puppy to help keep me busy due to the loss of Callie but I can’t have a 5 or 7 pound adult yorkie because mine are bigger at 14, 15 and 16 pounds and I don’t want a little one get hurt when they play. So it’s harder. I talked to Ollies breeder and if she or any breeders she knows have a bigger pup they will let me know but it could be forever. Sorry I’m blabbing on and on.

When I say personality I mean the traits of yorkies personality’s and their very terrier attitudes. There are certain things certain breeds are known for. Obviously somethings relate to if you train them or not. I guess due to being overweight the majority of my life I see past looks significantly and that’s not the major thing for me. I mean Callie healthy was 17 pounds with floppy ears but absolutely beautiful to me but not a true yorkie person I guess. The same goes for Penny and Ollie with their 15 and 16 pounds with floppy ears. Joey although has the erect years he has an absolutely beautiful full tail at 14 pounds. When I got them I really didn’t care how them looked as adults I just knew I loved them and would love them no matter what. Although they all are very different they all have the major traits of the yorkie attitude and such. Yes they all minus Callie were unwanted so there was some training and understanding needed with them but I have been able to work through these issues when some were a lot of work but well worth it. One thing I have learned is you can train a dog if you are fearful.

All dogs are beautiful to me but I still have a preferred Yorkie look I've always loved, nothing seems to change that but I've taken and cared for, sat up nights with, dearly loved thin, poorly conformed little sickly runts, rehomes of every look, type, personality, problem, big, nasty, vicious dogs, lame, crooked, very, very ill ones and loved every one of them just as I did Scotty, Jilly or Tibbe. Love doesn't see anything but that dog's beautiful heart. So I understand OP has a look she would like to try to find if she can.

Regarding training a dog when fearful, don't know why but I've never feared any dog in my life, even big, powerful dogs trying to attack or bite me out of fear when we first met but I feel so sorry for them, knowing their breeding or their lives have really suffered terribly somewhere thanks to humans along the way to cause them to react so fearfully, aggressively. It's really hard not to feel tender toward even the most 'bad' dog who'd love to bite me as I know likely some human had a hand in it and know if I can't help, rehab him/her, they'll likely one day be killed after leaving foster care!

And if you cannot control a dog who is vicious or restrain it so it can't get to innocent people, little kids to bite/maim/kill them, killing it is maybe the kindest thing to be done for everybody's sake as the dog is totally miserable itself being so scared, knowing humans think he is bad, mean, lacking any real companionship or relationship in his life, feeling so alone. So trying to work myself out of feeling sorry for the dog into the right, matter-of-fact teacher mode is really hard as every time they show teeth or snap, I want to cry, soothe, hug, love them. That's the worst thing to do at that moment so keeping a clinical, calm approach w/out the dog sensing your tender heart, sees feeling sorry for it as reinforcement of his biting/snarling/lunging and you want to teach him other ways to react around humans, learn trust, respect and feel it from humans so he becomes a secure, stable, happy dog. They all are wonderful creatures and so enrich our lives, whatever their look or personality.

Good hunting, Saranshay. Let us know how the hunt goes.

My yorkie Molli is AKC but she’s cotton coat which is a fault and she’s bigger (11pounds) so she wouldn’t be show dog material but she’s got the temperament and is the best. Just saying through my research it seems only the higher caliber breeders will let you meet the puppy.
Also after researching both Yorkies and Biewers I have to say they look the same to me. My heart dog was a yorkie mix so I dunno if that makes me not a true yorkie person. To me they have the same sweet, bright, slightly mischievous smile. Pictures from Benchmaark Biewers in Michigan

To me there are some visual difference but it’s kind of like yorkies and silkys, you have to look carefully to find the differences but they are there. There is also a size deference with Biewers getting a little bigger then yorkies. I don’t think the caliber of breeder maters when being let to meet all the puppies because I have known bad breeders who let you to and great ones who didn’t so I think it just depends on the breeder. I’m sure due to my opinions and stuff I’m not considered a true yorkie person I guess. I dislike dog shows and what the AKC has done to certain breeds, I don’t think show breeders are always what people make them out to be and I love bigger yorkies. My heart dog Callie was my first yorkie and
I thought she was the most perfect dog ever created. She was 17 pounds floppy ears, very chill, knew when I was going to have my panic and anxiety attacks and almost never barked and so on. She had this ability to make even non dog people love her.

Even part Yorkie qualifies you as a Yorkie person if you adore the breed but nothing wrong whatever with loving, appreciating, having other breeds or different Yorkie looks for a change anytime you want, as sometimes your feelings are too raw missing your Yorkie to have another one around until you heal more. You'll still love Yorkies just the same even with other breeds and Yorkie looks in your home and heart and absence makes the heart grow fonder, haha. After I lost Scotty, I couldn't abide bringing another little Yorkie in the house for the longest time as it would never be Scotty.

Took 5 years and then another two searching, talking, looking at litters, visiting pounds, finally found the breeder I'd been looking for then waiting for the breeding, pregnancy, whelping, 4 mos. mommy time, etc., before little Jilly came home w/me in place of my long-awaited little beauty from the gorgeous sire and dam, 2nd pick of the litter after the breeder. Breeder brought Jilly out of her work apron front pocket to show me the sickly little dog she'd been caring for from birth, as the dam had turned from her, as I was playing w/my long-awaited lovely perfect Yorkie pup. Jilly was imperfect in almost every way but perfect to me and it took some weeks before I grew to love her but when I did, it was as if Scotty never left, just looked different and behaved differently but every bit the love of my life for the next 13 years when she wasn't expected to live that long. Same story with Tibbe. Each one is so special, however different.