Asking breeders to see if my small pup's growth rate is normal.

[Marna1957]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The only breeders who use the word teacup are bad breeders so if you use the word people will think it’s ok and normal and then buy from those breeders using the word and then we keep bad breeders in business. You absolutely will not find a good breeder who uses the word. Those breeders advertising teacups put the smallest dogs they can get together ignoring any health issues. They also use females under 5 pounds to breed which is extremely dangerous. Use the word if you want but when around other educated yorkie lovers it makes you seem like you don’t know much about yorkies. Reputable breeders do get tiny yorkies occasionally just like they occasionally get bigger yorkies and those in most cases are healthy.

Just so that I am absolutely clear. Katy's breed did NOT advertise her as such. My friend with Yorkies, does NOT use 'Teacups'.



I get it. However. Like I said, I also get why people advertise them as Teacups.

[Marna1957]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Well you kinda get obsessed with the size thing so I figure it had to be jealousy.

You are right. I am. When I wanted a tiny dog. I wanted a TINY dog. I researched the breed, and I kept looking until I found a breeder that bred by the Standard. Katy is only 8 months old, and could grow much more.....but I do not expect her too. My quote to my husband was, not bigger than 10 pounds if she got fat.



I think most people that buy Yorkies expect them to be very small dog. I think people buy Yorkies, not Carins because Yorkies are a smaller breed....and when they are not, it can be disappointing.


Since I joined this forum a couple people have asked about size. They are concerned. I get that! So when I try to tell them something about Standard size. It seem folks jump in with the "a yorkie is a yorkie no matter". The thing is they bought a YORKIE, not a Carin, not an Airedale. So they have valid questions. And yes, care about the size their dog will be or is.



Because I have owned, trained, raised, bred, worked with, competed, and more with ALL Sorts animals all my life, and with many different dog breeds....Yes. I think an animal should look closely to the Standard for what ever animal and breed it is.



THIS is the perspective from where I take my stand.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Marna1957

Here is what you are not reading in my post. I do not call them Teacup. But I get why people do.


But. I also know that what I call reputable, is a breeder that breed the breed they are breeding as close to the STANDARD FOR THE BREED as they are able.


Breeding dogs too large, is as bad as breeding too small.... Many Yorkies are OVER sized for Carin Terriers.....

Oh but I did read what you wrote


"It could be that you have a Yorkie that was bred small, know to many as Teacups."


You threw it right out there with that comment.



A reputable breeder that breeds "show dogs" does their homework when
they have a breeding pair. Before they breed the dogs the breeder checks back several generations for genetic health issues on both the male and female because, they are breeding for their next champion. This is a breeder ppl should buy from because, the mamma is fed good food, and is well taken care of, they may not get a champion out of a litter but what the buyer gets is a healthy puppy.


Back yard breeders (BYB) are looking for big bucks, they do no background on their breeding pairs, and breed what ppl want, tiny dogs. It's a buyer beware.

This is called "educating" people.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Marna1957

Here is what you are not reading in my post. I do not call them Teacup. But I get why people do.


But. I also know that what I call reputable, is a breeder that breed the breed they are breeding as close to the STANDARD FOR THE BREED as they are able.


Breeding dogs too large, is as bad as breeding too small.... Many Yorkies are OVER sized for Carin Terriers.....

Nobody is disagreeing that reputable breeders breed for the standard although the one thing that is not the standard that I am ok with them not doing is docking tails but that’s a different conversation. What do Carin Terriers have to do with this?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Marna1957

Just so that I am absolutely clear. Katy's breed did NOT advertise her as such. My friend with Yorkies, does NOT use 'Teacups'.



I get it. However. Like I said, I also get why people advertise them as Teacups.

No one said your breeder did. They advertise them that way to make more money so yes we all get why they advertise them that way.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Marna1957

You are right. I am. When I wanted a tiny dog. I wanted a TINY dog. I researched the breed, and I kept looking until I found a breeder that bred by the Standard. Katy is only 8 months old, and could grow much more.....but I do not expect her too. My quote to my husband was, not bigger than 10 pounds if she got fat.



I think most people that buy Yorkies expect them to be very small dog. I think people buy Yorkies, not Carins because Yorkies are a smaller breed....and when they are not, it can be disappointing.


Since I joined this forum a couple people have asked about size. They are concerned. I get that! So when I try to tell them something about Standard size. It seem folks jump in with the "a yorkie is a yorkie no matter". The thing is they bought a YORKIE, not a Carin, not an Airedale. So they have valid questions. And yes, care about the size their dog will be or is.



Because I have owned, trained, raised, bred, worked with, competed, and more with ALL Sorts animals all my life, and with many different dog breeds....Yes. I think an animal should look closely to the Standard for what ever animal and breed it is.



THIS is the perspective from where I take my stand.

I got a yorkie because I needed a dog that shed little to none and would work well with my allergies and my grandmothers COPD. Size never was something I thought much about. When I get a dog I love it for it’s whole life no matter the size they turn out. I was thrilled that Callie was a bigger yorkie it was much better for living with both my grandparents at the time. Even bigger her size was never anything I focused on. I love yorkies attitudes not their size. In fact I wish there could be two size groups like some other dogs because I love bigger yorkies more like they were before being bred down. I never got any of mine due to size except Ollie who the breeder couldn’t get rid of because he was bigger. If I got a puppy though and it stayed 3 pounds I would still love that puppy. If size is so important 2 things must be considered one go to an actual reputable breeder (which most don’t) and or get an older dog closer to a year old. I do not agree with people getting dogs to just use them as fashion accessories or so they can just say they have a small yorkie. Any obsession on size whether big, small, human or animal isn’t healthy. I feel blessed just with them being healthy. I just am glad I’m here to take in the bigger ones that people get rid of because they are bigger. I get to mend that broken heart of them falling in love with that unconditional love for the person who didn’t want them because they weren’t good enough. In the end the love is what matters not the size.

[Marna1957]

Originally Posted by matese

Oh but I did read what you wrote


"It could be that you have a Yorkie that was bred small, know to many as Teacups."


You threw it right out there with that comment.



A reputable breeder that breeds "show dogs" does their homework when
they have a breeding pair. Before they breed the dogs the breeder checks back several generations for genetic health issues on both the male and female because, they are breeding for their next champion. This is a breeder ppl should buy from because, the mamma is fed good food, and is well taken care of, they may not get a champion out of a litter but what the buyer gets is a healthy puppy.


Back yard breeders (BYB) are looking for big bucks, they do no background on their breeding pairs, and breed what ppl want, tiny dogs. It's a buyer beware.

This is called "educating" people.

Yes. I was using a term that it does not matter if you like or do not, is used to talk about the size of Yorkies.



You might think you are 'educating', but your just being Hateful of a word used to describe smaller, more correctly bred size, of the breed we are on a Forum about.



<sighs> It is NOT just Breeders who breed for Conformational Shows (there are other types of 'dog shows'.) REPUTABLE BREEDERS breed by the Standard for the Breed.....the ENTIRE Standard, not just size. But SIZE MATTERS!



I am done.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Marna1957;4811186[B

]Yes. I was using a term that it does not matter if you like or do not, is used to talk about the size of Yorkies.
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You might think you are 'educating', but your just being Hateful of a word used to describe smaller, more correctly bred size, of the breed we are on a Forum about.



<sighs> It is NOT just Breeders who breed for Conformational Shows (there are other types of 'dog shows'.) REPUTABLE BREEDERS breed by the Standard for the Breed.....the ENTIRE Standard, not just size. But SIZE MATTERS!



I am done.

Done or not, you're missing he whole point here. It is not about ME disliking the term "teacup yorkie". The point I am "trying" to bring out is, there is no such thing as a "teacup" yorkie". It is just a name that Unscrupulous breeders "made up" to sell smaller dogs for big bucks. These Unscrupulous breeders will just about starve the mamma to ensure she has small babies, then these malnourished puppies are sold for big bucks. I am "trying" to get across to you that, there is NO class of "teacup yorkies" and tiny yorkies should not be described as such .
And to say I am hateful of the word is just hysterical lol.

Now I am done.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Marna1957

Yes. I was using a term that it does not matter if you like or do not, is used to talk about the size of Yorkies.



You might think you are 'educating', but your just being Hateful of a word used to describe smaller, more correctly bred size, of the breed we are on a Forum about.



<sighs> It is NOT just Breeders who breed for Conformational Shows (there are other types of 'dog shows'.) REPUTABLE BREEDERS breed by the Standard for the Breed.....the ENTIRE Standard, not just size. But SIZE MATTERS!



I am done.

I think you are to stuck in your opinion of this word to understand and realize the chain that this word goes into to support bad breeders who use that word. I guess it’s like the saying you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. You have been shown how this word hurts the breed that’s all that matters. I guess I just thought everyone with a yorkie and on this forum wanted to be well educated and know everything they can about yorkies. Hopefully at least maybe these posts helped explain it to others that come here and read it.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by matese

Done or not, you're missing he whole point here. It is not about ME disliking the term "teacup yorkie". The point I am "trying" to bring out is, there is no such thing as a "teacup" yorkie". It is just a name that Unscrupulous breeders "made up" to sell smaller dogs for big bucks. These Unscrupulous breeders will just about starve the mamma to ensure she has small babies, then these malnourished puppies are sold for big bucks. I am "trying" to get across to you that, there is NO class of "teacup yorkies" and tiny yorkies should not be described as such .
And to say I am hateful of the word is just hysterical lol.

Now I am done.

Don’t forget some of the puppy mills that use the small females cut them open themselves to give them a csection. It’s horrible but sadly a reality.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think you are to stuck in your opinion of this word to understand and realize the chain that this word goes into to support bad breeders who use that word. I guess it’s like the saying you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. You have been shown how this word hurts the breed that’s all that matters. I guess I just thought everyone with a yorkie and on this forum wanted to be well educated and know everything they can about yorkies. Hopefully at least maybe these posts helped explain it to others that come here and read it.

Sorry for the length but I have strong feelings on this subject. Teacup Yorkies or other breeds are usually heartbreakers, tiny, perky, so cuddly and cute and all so often so frail, unhealthy, have such difficulty just living life, need frequent help just getting through the day, struggling to do even the simplest thing w/out help. Can never just impulsively jump up onto/off the bed or even walk in grass well, let alone manage a field or hiking trail, are so easily dislocated/fracture, often stepped on, must be watched constantly and life has to be catered around their needs and wants full-time, not just when convenient or easy. As they grow older and continue a life of jumping up and down stairs/special structures designed for their independence, tiny, over-thin fibrous tissue holding some joints together begins to break down, dislocating/fracturing that joint, which rarely heals w/out pins/plate orthopedic surgery or amputation, for the old dog and long, painful rehabbing.

The life of the tinies bred down to create a so-called teacup often includes litters of deformities internally and externally, painful, agonizing pregnancies, whelps, all too frequent deaths for the dam and too-small, too-delicate puppies and altogether too inexperienced breeders and owners. All too many have horrible G.I. problems and can be beset with many genetic diseases, conditions as a breeding pair is never bred to better the breed or avoid an existing health problem being passed on to a litter, but for size alone and the $ the litters, stud fees can bring, if they live.

Teacup tinies are too-often culled for size, separated from the mother weeks too soon for each pup's psychological well-being, sold early before any unsuspected growth spurt or to allow time for their genetic problems to manifest, often carried about in purses, casually on the arm, being carelessly passed about and jostled into a human world foreign to that of being a normal, healthy dog by fashion/pop-culture-obsessed folk who buy the poor little dog for its tiny size, ability to draw attention to the owner. Some of us got one unknowingly as their initial Yorkie or to save a runt from being raised by an inexperienced owner who first thing will unthinkingly leave it on the couch/bed alone, go off and hear a bump,yelp and instead of vetting it at once, go online or call a girlfriend looking for medical guidance when the baby has been badly hurt. Teacups often require frequent, expensive vetting, specialist care, special food, accessories. The two I've had died years too early despite always immediate vetting. Totally heartbreaking.

If you travel with one and it has to have vet services, if the vet isn't prepared for tinies, they often don't even have adequate, smaller equipment to treat a tiny and medications have to be carefully given, as they may be easily overdosed.

It's true, not all teacups are unhealthy and some live long, relatively event-free lives and are charmingly cute to look at, are incredibly sweet, loving dogs. I adore them all but am horrified by the teacup tiny's horrible history of pain, misery and exploitation. I detest a breeder or buyer that knowingly helps perpetuate the problem, a breeder or shop that would sell it to anyone with ready money, however unfit for a teacup's well-being. But I would hope true lovers of the Yorkshire Terrier breed lust after only happy, healthy pups from a long lineage of healthy, hardy bred-to-standard ancestors and responsible, experienced breeders who breed only to improve the breed and keep it healthy and happy for as long as possible. The Yorkshire Terrier has long been my favorite breed.

[lilgidget]

Just curious -- what is the adult weight of a "teacup" yorkie?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by lilgidget

Just curious -- what is the adult weight of a "teacup" yorkie?

Because it’s a made up word I’m not sure there is a size. The person who didn’t want Joey when he was 9 weeks old tried to say he was a teacup and was feeding him diet adult food to keep him small and he now is 14 pounds lol

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by lilgidget

Just curious -- what is the adult weight of a "teacup" yorkie?

Found out my first Yorkie, Scotty, just under 3 lbs. when grown, bought from an old couple who occasionally bred their female;,\ and my Jilly, an extremely small-born runt whelped, to normal-size Yorkie pair from line of standard-sized Yorkies, slightly over 3 lbs. when grown, both qualified as the so-called teacup. These days I think that is considered large for a teacup.

In shopping for Yorkie breeders 5 years after Scotty died, I had read a local newpaper article about a lady who bred very small Yorkshire Terrier dogs in a nearby town and went to see them as I had only learned that Scotty was too tiny for for the Standard but wanted another Scotty type dog, still ignorant of what teacup breeding was all about. Not one of her breeding dams or studs was over 2 - 3 lbs.! Could not believe their tiny sizes, bug eyes, pointy chests, foreshortened legs, long, uneven backs and all of the dams, studs, puppies for sale she brought to show acted extremely fearful, as if never socialized or maybe rarely out of their cages. They dashed from under one piece of furniture to the next the entire time they were in the room, not one came when called by the breeder, who was all business. She acted as if she'd done all of this a thousand times before.

She casually explained she only kept the tiniest out of litters for breeders and bred them to one another, then automatically quoted range of new-car prices for her puppies, tiniest most expensive, etc., the amount/date of deposit required to hold which picking order potential buyers could ensure, accepted cash only, asked me to spell my name for a legal pad she was about to write on,having never asked me if I had any questions or had any questions about my dog-owning experience/history, home situation, yard/fence, nearest vet, where the puppy would spend most of its day, etc. She acted as if she could care less about the ultimate welfare of any of her puppies & just assumed I was a ready-made buyer. I couldn't get away fast enough.

[tbhajou]

I am posting update on Sophie. Sophie is now 8 month old now and weighs 3.5 lbs. For her short body, she is a chubby little girl now. And she is Cottony Coat, very dark colour, grey, tan & black colour.

I took her to my vet. Vet's office is open but only the dogs are allowed in so I could not speak to the vet directly. I had to wait outside in the car. I did full bloodworks and she is healthy. However, she has 7 baby teeth that needs to be removed. I want to wait until she is older for spaying, at least when this Covid 19 situation is over... I was advised by the vet's office to remove teech and spay her at the same time but I am likely to just have her teeth removed for now. And may be spay her later...