100% escape proof dog harness?

[FlyingNimbus]

Hey, I was wondering if there's a dog harness that covers the whole back and back legs, like sort of like the buddy belt preventing escape as it has all 4 legs in place. My dog is an extreme houdini.... so I am looking for answers to keep her 100% locked in place. I never walk her out in the neighborhood out of fear of losing her...


I want her in a harness that will not stretch, that is exact fit- even if its a little tight I just want results at this point.

[Rachael1983]

Have you considered taking your dog to training? I think this will help you get results on behavior on potty training, walking , listening, etc.

I’ve not seen such a harness that you’re describing. Also are you confirming that your putting the harnesses on correctly ?

Your dog doesn’t look very small or fragile but maybe you should consider the collar only since you’re having escape and sizing issues . I know you’ve read about collapsed trachea for small breeds but from your pictures the anatomy of your dog I think I would consider training and collars moving forward.

[Lovetodream88]

That sounds like something that would be very uncomfortable. I’m thinking you had a fluke or something with the buddy belt because I have never had stretching issues or escape issues. When fitted properly the buddy belt should be escape proof.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Rachael1983

Have you considered taking your dog to training? I think this will help you get results on behavior on potty training, walking , listening, etc.

I’ve not seen such a harness that you’re describing. Also are you confirming that your putting the harnesses on correctly ?

Your dog doesn’t look very small or fragile but maybe you should consider the collar only since you’re having escape and sizing issues . I know you’ve read about collapsed trachea for small breeds but from your pictures the anatomy of your dog I think I would consider training and collars moving forward.

Collars do damage to even giant breed dogs trecheas and necks. Collars are also very easy to escape. I do agree with the training.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Rachael1983

Have you considered taking your dog to training? I think this will help you get results on behavior on potty training, walking , listening, etc.

I’ve not seen such a harness that you’re describing. Also are you confirming that your putting the harnesses on correctly ?

Your dog doesn’t look very small or fragile but maybe you should consider the collar only since you’re having escape and sizing issues . I know you’ve read about collapsed trachea for small breeds but from your pictures the anatomy of your dog I think I would consider training and collars moving forward.

Yeah she ain't super small and dainty. She's also a bit of an escape artist.

As for training, I took her to a training class at petsmart for a few weeks, I didn't see the results, so I decided to train her on my own. The potty issue I realize it was my fault for not being easier on the food changing and additions. I guess changing their foods is to them how eating spicy foods or overly filled with tomatoes for me.

I just wanted her to be the happiest she can be.

I did find a harness from muttgear called the doublebacked harness, has the back legs covered.


If not I will go to my vet and ask if a training collar is okay. In the end I just worry about her safety, not just the immediate safety but her trying to escape freaks me out and she does it when she sees stuff of interest- prey, noise, etc

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

That sounds like something that would be very uncomfortable. I’m thinking you had a fluke or something with the buddy belt because I have never had stretching issues or escape issues. When fitted properly the buddy belt should be escape proof.

It keeps stretching. I might go with xtra small.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Hey, I was wondering if there's a dog harness that covers the whole back and back legs, like sort of like the buddy belt preventing escape as it has all 4 legs in place. My dog is an extreme houdini.... so I am looking for answers to keep her 100% locked in place. I never walk her out in the neighborhood out of fear of losing her...


I want her in a harness that will not stretch, that is exact fit- even if its a little tight I just want results at this point.

Unfortunately, the ONLY 100% escape proof harness is the invisible harness that attaches your yorkie to you via brainwaves. It sounds like the best option for you would be lots and lots of training. It may take many different approaches to leash training to find one that works for you - especially since you have such a smart "harness houdini". Make training a FUN activity for both of you, a journey that you are taking together with the destination being a Yorkie who is attached to you via that invisible harness. It is doable, it just takes time and patience.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Unfortunately, the ONLY 100% escape proof harness is the invisible harness that attaches your yorkie to you via brainwaves. It sounds like the best option for you would be lots and lots of training. It may take many different approaches to leash training to find one that works for you - especially since you have such a smart "harness houdini". Make training a FUN activity for both of you, a journey that you are taking together with the destination being a Yorkie who is attached to you via that invisible harness. It is doable, it just takes time and patience.

any good methods to start off?

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

any good methods to start off?

Oh my gosh, thank you for asking. I have tons of ideas . First I want to repost something I posted way back in 2007 for member Twalla and her furkid Sam. I called it the 6 P's of Training.


1) PRAISE- Use huge amounts of Praise -- in different levels -- Have very high value praise (maybe an irrestible treat) that Sam will work hard to get, have medium attention getting praise and lower level of praise -- the old "good boy" and scratch behind the ears.

2) PATIENCE- Remember that Sam does not understand English, but he does "read" your body language. Be sure that your voice and body are telling him the same things and be patient if he "reads" you wrong. It could take several hundred repetitions of a behavior for him to fully understand what you are telling him -- remember the praise.

3) PERSERVERANCE- Remember to keep on keeping on -- even when it seems like Sam will NEVER get it right. He is learning from you every single minute he can hear, smell or see you. Be sure what he is learning from you is positive.

4) PERSISTANCE- Set a realistic training goal and stick with it. If the methods you are using don't seem to work (be sure to give them plenty of time), then don't be afraid to try a new method to teach the same lesson. But above all, DO NOT GIVE UP. Be Persistant.

5 & 6) PEE and POOP-- Avoid both when possible. And please remember, that if your little one needs to relieve himself, it will be difficult for him to focus on learning. Remember -- it is much easier for a dog to understand very specific commands than a general one.

[chattiesmom]

Training is simply two way communication. In training, you don't want to start with the goal. You need to find a place where you can ask her to do something, and she responds correctly. Then praise her like there is no tomorrow. When she really understands the concept of responding correctly then why not start at the very beginning by putting a harness on her and praising her.

Move forward in tiny baby steps, remembering to have patience, use lots of praise, and to persevere.

This sounds like a lot of work, and it is but you will be surprised at how fast it can go. I learned that in order for training to be effective both trainer and trainee have to be happy and relaxed. It is better to have many very short training sessions than one or two long ones. Always end training sessions happy and relaxed and always allow your baby to feel successful.

With all that said, I understand that you will have to walk her BEFORE she is leash trained - so separate the "having to go for walks" from actual leash training.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Oh my gosh, thank you for asking. I have tons of ideas . First I want to repost something I posted way back in 2007 for member Twalla and her furkid Sam. I called it the 6 P's of Training.


1) PRAISE- Use huge amounts of Praise -- in different levels -- Have very high value praise (maybe an irrestible treat) that Sam will work hard to get, have medium attention getting praise and lower level of praise -- the old "good boy" and scratch behind the ears.

2) PATIENCE- Remember that Sam does not understand English, but he does "read" your body language. Be sure that your voice and body are telling him the same things and be patient if he "reads" you wrong. It could take several hundred repetitions of a behavior for him to fully understand what you are telling him -- remember the praise.

3) PERSERVERANCE- Remember to keep on keeping on -- even when it seems like Sam will NEVER get it right. He is learning from you every single minute he can hear, smell or see you. Be sure what he is learning from you is positive.

4) PERSISTANCE- Set a realistic training goal and stick with it. If the methods you are using don't seem to work (be sure to give them plenty of time), then don't be afraid to try a new method to teach the same lesson. But above all, DO NOT GIVE UP. Be Persistant.

5 & 6) PEE and POOP-- Avoid both when possible. And please remember, that if your little one needs to relieve himself, it will be difficult for him to focus on learning. Remember -- it is much easier for a dog to understand very specific commands than a general one.

The command i give her is "go potty".I will try them

[chattiesmom]

Ok, "Go Potty" is one command, and "Walk Nicely" is a second completely unrelated command. However, in order to have her safely "Go Potty" she must "Walk Nicely" and not pull out of the harness.

It seems complicated, but it isn't really. It's just a matter of separating all of the things that must happen to get the desired result and train each individually before putting it all together.

[matese]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Oh my gosh, thank you for asking. I have tons of ideas . First I want to repost something I posted way back in 2007 for member Twalla and her furkid Sam. I called it the 6 P's of Training.


1) PRAISE- Use huge amounts of Praise -- in different levels -- Have very high value praise (maybe an irrestible treat) that Sam will work hard to get, have medium attention getting praise and lower level of praise -- the old "good boy" and scratch behind the ears.

2) PATIENCE- Remember that Sam does not understand English, but he does "read" your body language. Be sure that your voice and body are telling him the same things and be patient if he "reads" you wrong. It could take several hundred repetitions of a behavior for him to fully understand what you are telling him -- remember the praise.

3) PERSERVERANCE- Remember to keep on keeping on -- even when it seems like Sam will NEVER get it right. He is learning from you every single minute he can hear, smell or see you. Be sure what he is learning from you is positive.

4) PERSISTANCE- Set a realistic training goal and stick with it. If the methods you are using don't seem to work (be sure to give them plenty of time), then don't be afraid to try a new method to teach the same lesson. But above all, DO NOT GIVE UP. Be Persistant.

5 & 6) PEE and POOP-- Avoid both when possible. And please remember, that if your little one needs to relieve himself, it will be difficult for him to focus on learning. Remember -- it is much easier for a dog to understand very specific commands than a general one.

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Training is simply two way communication. In training, you don't want to start with the goal. You need to find a place where you can ask her to do something, and she responds correctly. Then praise her like there is no tomorrow. When she really understands the concept of responding correctly then why not start at the very beginning by putting a harness on her and praising her.

Move forward in tiny baby steps, remembering to have patience, use lots of praise, and to persevere.

This sounds like a lot of work, and it is but you will be surprised at how fast it can go. I learned that in order for training to be effective both trainer and trainee have to be happy and relaxed. It is better to have many very short training sessions than one or two long ones. Always end training sessions happy and relaxed and always allow your baby to feel successful.

With all that said, I understand that you will have to walk her BEFORE she is leash trained - so separate the "having to go for walks" from actual leash training.

[Britster]

Ruffwear Webmaster. https://ruffwear.com/products/web-master-harness or a martingale collar.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Britster

Ruffwear Webmaster. https://ruffwear.com/products/web-master-harness or a martingale collar.

Thanks, I will look at the former while I work on training her more