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Old 12-09-2017, 02:01 PM   #1
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Hey guys. So I woke up later this morning and found out all of the ground is covered in snow. Bad news for me because the back yard is a literal slope. Easier to fall I'd guess.

I took out my little maggie along with sasha-- and sasha was a-ok the cold did not seem to bother her. Even when her body was shaved down 2-3 weeks ago. (sasha is a cockapoo, and maggie is what appears to be a chihuahua or a russian toy terrier)... But maggie was shivering to no tomorrow.... She knew she wouldnt go back in until she peed(usually it's like that) so she found a spot and wasted no time turning around. She just peed on the spot.

Had she needed to go? Probably not as much as sasha because we walk her out really late and she doesn't seem to drink a lot of water in direct comparison to sasha.She literary drinks 3 sips and that's it. Sasha downs half of the water bowl in a sitting. Though sashas bowl is bigger for obvious reason... the size of the dog shouldn't be too much of a concern because sashas only twice her size.


So, maggie had a sweater ontop of another sweater. Because the other day it was nippy and she was shivering a bit too....


We live far from the nearest pet store and I was busy this week doing preparations. When I looked for a jacket the week before I didnt see anything suitable for her asides those walmart sweaters... :/ Which she seems to chew on sometimes.


So my question is. Is there something that could help keep my dog warm? like a heat vest or something? or something like that...

Any shoes I could use on her for the snow?
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www.chewie.com has a nice snow suit that covers all 4 legs, they have vests also if you don't want legs covered. Dog Boots, Shoes & Booties | Alldogboots.com has a nice selection of booties, I believe one of YT members sell them, thing with booties is you really have to start getting a dog use to them at a very early age. I am sure with lots of patience, consistency and treat rewards a dog can get use to them.
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www.chewie.com has a nice snow suit that covers all 4 legs, they have vests also if you don't want legs covered. Dog Boots, Shoes & Booties | Alldogboots.com has a nice selection of booties, I believe one of YT members sell them, thing with booties is you really have to start getting a dog use to them at a very early age. I am sure with lots of patience, consistency and treat rewards a dog can get use to them.

Covering all four legs + booties sound nice. She's gonna take the shoes whether she likes it or not. lol because I care about her well being more than what she feels about it. She's not meant for the cold it would appear. So one must take extra measures to fix that.

She's quite tolerant of certain things, one can almost say she likes them if it comes from me or my mom.


On a side note. She's gotten more territorial with the other dog. I dropped a piece of brocoli near her vicinity and she wouldnt normally go for it so the other dog bolted there to get it. and my little one just goes up, sniffs her open ups her mouth and nips at her face (not an actual bite but more like a warning-- the other dog was fine no bruising or marks or anything just a bluff I guess). so I dont know how far itll escalate. I guess its fine if we seperate her when shes eating. But she does it too if I am petting her and the other dog wants to be petted too.
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The booties at Maggies age you will need lots of patience and consistency in putting them on, even if it's just in the house so she gets use to the feel of somethings on her feet. Make sure you get the right size for her. alaskayorkie ads Velcro around the bootie to help them stay on. They are the funniest things when you put booties on their feet for the first time and they "try" to walk. Have treats on hand for every step she takes with the booties on, cheerios is a great training treat. Just one cheerio per reward.

If Maggie is food aggressive towards Sasha i would feed them apart, if she's ok around Sasha but food aggressive around other dogs I would not give her any food like a taste or treat while another dog is around.

Always remember, Maggie is a rescue, her past is not known to you. I have my rescue 4 years now and I am still learning new things about him and I know who his prev. owner are, know his past history,he was not a stray, but I am seeing things in him I never saw before, so still learning his likes and dislikes. You will be learning new things about Maggie the longer you have her.
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The booties at Maggies age you will need lots of patience and consistency in putting them on, even if it's just in the house so she gets use to the feel of somethings on her feet. Make sure you get the right size for her. alaskayorkie ads Velcro around the bootie to help them stay on. They are the funniest things when you put booties on their feet for the first time and they "try" to walk. Have treats on hand for every step she takes with the booties on, cheerios is a great training treat. Just one cheerio per reward.

If Maggie is food aggressive towards Sasha i would feed them apart, if she's ok around Sasha but food aggressive around other dogs I would not give her any food like a taste or treat while another dog is around.

Always remember, Maggie is a rescue, her past is not known to you. I have my rescue 4 years now and I am still learning new things about him and I know who his prev. owner are, know his past history,he was not a stray, but I am seeing things in him I never saw before, so still learning his likes and dislikes. You will be learning new things about Maggie the longer you have her.
Honestly... this is going to sound weird, but the closer I get to her... the more she feels a little bit of myself.

Defensive, cautious, protective, selective of people/friends, in a ways a mix of short tempered yet highly tolerant. Tolerant for most things, but things that are her off switch and she goes balistically mad.

A few weeks back she got so furious at my brother she bit his heel. Kind of like a nip. She chased him around. But I think it was only because he raised his tone with me and I felt highly uncomfortable and probably upset too. But like I used to be, her bark is worse than her bite.

She's easily spooked by things and she's quite alert. Not in a terrified way alert. More like observant of her surroundings. What weirds me out is, I have poor eye sight but my hearing is a lot better. I guess from not blasting music like people of my generation typically do?

So whenever someones pulling up in the driveway and I am in the livingroom or even my bedroom-- I am usually the first one to be aware of it. The second one would be maggie, and the third one would be sasha. Sasha only responds if she hears a door close or someone walking close to the door- which she reacts by barking. Maggie doesnt bark but you can tell she knows someone is there. If someone goes in and she cant see who it is-- she goes in what I call defensive mode. Defensive mode is usually initiated with a few steps.

First step is she observes the individual or the potential threat.

Second step is if it walks farther in than say the couch by the entrance-- she starts growling.

Third step is if its a perceived strep and it doesnt heed the warning her growl gets more vicious and its as if shes breathing air in while doing it (Through her mouth)

Fourth step if it gets closer it starts barking.

Fifth and last step is if gets any closer than that she will immediately go after the person and bite them either in their heels, hands, legs, and any other sensitive area.

I notice she has 3 types of growls. One is kind of like a Bleep off kind of growl, the second would be the you're overstepping her boundaries and now shes mad kind of growl, the third growl is the one where she cant contain any longer and shes as angry as it can be which is usually followed by biting.



So far she's only bit him, and it's because he's sort of instigated her a few times. Now she doesn't because I am not in the picture. Like if shes alone she wont bother with him, but if shes by me she will get defensive.


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The other day the neighbors behind us who are nice and all (they're these old nice people) had their family over and two of their grandchildren were being complete asshats, primarily the older one (he appeared to be either 18-20).

The older one was taunting her and purposely making noise like clapping his hand (in a way that you would to try to startle someone/something), then he went by the fence with a stick and started hitting the fence with the stick. Man I had to go back inside because I was fuming mad and I think she picked up on that and she went to the fourth defense.

I had to wait until later that night to walk em outside to do their business because when I took em out it was 4 and they were still there until like 9:30pm.

Now it makes me wonder if these are the same kind of people who would piss off a dog on purpose, then if the dog bit them they'd sue the family and ask for the dog to be put down like it happened to one guy here in NJ.

A dog is supposed to be trained, but that doesn't mean a dog should be put down because they bit some jerk. Like I forget who it was on here who had their neighbor constantly harassing the dog by the window.


P.s. she never had clothes on before and she tolerated it when I first put it on her. She just chewed on it the first few days. Now shes okay with it. I assume the same will be for the shoes.

P.s.s. I dont think shes aggressive. Just defensive. I can definitely say she's had a lot of trauma.
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Honestly... this is going to sound weird, but the closer I get to her... the more she feels a little bit of myself.

Defensive, cautious, protective, selective of people/friends, in a ways a mix of short tempered yet highly tolerant. Tolerant for most things, but things that are her off switch and she goes balistically mad.

A few weeks back she got so furious at my brother she bit his heel. Kind of like a nip. She chased him around. But I think it was only because he raised his tone with me and I felt highly uncomfortable and probably upset too. But like I used to be, her bark is worse than her bite.

She's easily spooked by things and she's quite alert. Not in a terrified way alert. More like observant of her surroundings. What weirds me out is, I have poor eye sight but my hearing is a lot better. I guess from not blasting music like people of my generation typically do?

So whenever someones pulling up in the driveway and I am in the livingroom or even my bedroom-- I am usually the first one to be aware of it. The second one would be maggie, and the third one would be sasha. Sasha only responds if she hears a door close or someone walking close to the door- which she reacts by barking. Maggie doesnt bark but you can tell she knows someone is there. If someone goes in and she cant see who it is-- she goes in what I call defensive mode. Defensive mode is usually initiated with a few steps.

First step is she observes the individual or the potential threat.

Second step is if it walks farther in than say the couch by the entrance-- she starts growling.

Third step is if its a perceived strep and it doesnt heed the warning her growl gets more vicious and its as if shes breathing air in while doing it (Through her mouth)

Fourth step if it gets closer it starts barking.

Fifth and last step is if gets any closer than that she will immediately go after the person and bite them either in their heels, hands, legs, and any other sensitive area.

I notice she has 3 types of growls. One is kind of like a Bleep off kind of growl, the second would be the you're overstepping her boundaries and now shes mad kind of growl, the third growl is the one where she cant contain any longer and shes as angry as it can be which is usually followed by biting.



So far she's only bit him, and it's because he's sort of instigated her a few times. Now she doesn't because I am not in the picture. Like if shes alone she wont bother with him, but if shes by me she will get defensive.


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The other day the neighbors behind us who are nice and all (they're these old nice people) had their family over and two of their grandchildren were being complete asshats, primarily the older one (he appeared to be either 18-20).

The older one was taunting her and purposely making noise like clapping his hand (in a way that you would to try to startle someone/something), then he went by the fence with a stick and started hitting the fence with the stick. Man I had to go back inside because I was fuming mad and I think she picked up on that and she went to the fourth defense.

I had to wait until later that night to walk em outside to do their business because when I took em out it was 4 and they were still there until like 9:30pm.

Now it makes me wonder if these are the same kind of people who would piss off a dog on purpose, then if the dog bit them they'd sue the family and ask for the dog to be put down like it happened to one guy here in NJ.

A dog is supposed to be trained, but that doesn't mean a dog should be put down because they bit some jerk. Like I forget who it was on here who had their neighbor constantly harassing the dog by the window.


P.s. she never had clothes on before and she tolerated it when I first put it on her. She just chewed on it the first few days. Now shes okay with it. I assume the same will be for the shoes.

P.s.s. I dont think shes aggressive. Just defensive. I can definitely say she's had a lot of trauma.
Have to agree with the lotta trauma.
Appox. how old is Maggie, I have forgotten since your last post of when you adopted her

As for nipping at your bros heels, dogs feed off our emotions, this is your dog, you are the one that walks her, feeds her, and sooths her when she is frightened. By the tone of your voice and your inner emotions, Maggie was defending you.

Her being easily spooked / alert, again, you don't know her past, she may have had to lived on the streets, always being alert to her surroundings, other dogs, mean ppl.

Dogs know / sense what our disabilities are, she is aware of your poor eye sight therefore goes into protective mode with her 5 steps. It sounds like you keep Maggie away from ppl that come into your house, I am just assuming this by what you wrote. If this is so, by keeping her from not meeting these ppl is telling her they are a danger and reason she goes into her 5 stages. Also sounds like she has not been socialized with all types of ppl since you have her.

The neighbor incident sounds like those two kids were teasing Maggie, not a good thing for her and it was a wise choice to go indoors, why have Maggie upset and set her off.

Getting back to ppl coming into the house and Maggie's 4 growls the 5th-biting. Is it possible when you know someone is going to be coming into your house, put her harness on and attach the leash, have treats on you, while holding the leash allow her to meet / greet the ppl or person, let her sniff them so she will learn their scent, let her ease into this and reward with a treat if she doesn't growl at them, then take her back to where ever she was before you put the harness on her. Repeat this when ever someone comes to your house, you can also give the visitor a treat to give to Maggie, Maggie will then associate this person or ppl as a good thing because they give her treats. By not allowing Maggie to meet the ppl she is growling at is like telling her these are bad, stay away, so what Maggie is doing is protecting you from these bad ppl.

Putting bootie's on a dog is a lot different then putting a sweater or coat on them. These are their feet and covering their feet is weird to them, some will freeze like a statue. not move lol, funny. It' s a very strange feeling to them and they need to learn how to walk with them on, that's why you need to get the correct size for them, it is not a "one size fits all". You need a lot of patience and have her wear them and practice how to walk one step at a time and reward with treats when she takes each step with the booties on. These practice lessons should be indoors. Don't expect to put booties on her, take her out and she'll go trotting off, nope, not gonna happen lol. She has to learn how to walk in the booties.
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My FAV coat for Jackson is from VoyagersK9.

I've tried so many coats through the years and I love that this one actually keeps him warm and also has the "turtleneck" to keep that area warm but he's still able to freely run around in it. They make custom coats or you can look at measurements and find a breed specific coat that may fit. I did the Jack Russell Terrier one for Jackson who is 18lbs, 19" girth, 12" neck.

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Have to agree with the lotta trauma.
Appox. how old is Maggie, I have forgotten since your last post of when you adopted her

As for nipping at your bros heels, dogs feed off our emotions, this is your dog, you are the one that walks her, feeds her, and sooths her when she is frightened. By the tone of your voice and your inner emotions, Maggie was defending you.

Her being easily spooked / alert, again, you don't know her past, she may have had to lived on the streets, always being alert to her surroundings, other dogs, mean ppl.

Dogs know / sense what our disabilities are, she is aware of your poor eye sight therefore goes into protective mode with her 5 steps. It sounds like you keep Maggie away from ppl that come into your house, I am just assuming this by what you wrote. If this is so, by keeping her from not meeting these ppl is telling her they are a danger and reason she goes into her 5 stages. Also sounds like she has not been socialized with all types of ppl since you have her.

The neighbor incident sounds like those two kids were teasing Maggie, not a good thing for her and it was a wise choice to go indoors, why have Maggie upset and set her off.

Getting back to ppl coming into the house and Maggie's 4 growls the 5th-biting. Is it possible when you know someone is going to be coming into your house, put her harness on and attach the leash, have treats on you, while holding the leash allow her to meet / greet the ppl or person, let her sniff them so she will learn their scent, let her ease into this and reward with a treat if she doesn't growl at them, then take her back to where ever she was before you put the harness on her. Repeat this when ever someone comes to your house, you can also give the visitor a treat to give to Maggie, Maggie will then associate this person or ppl as a good thing because they give her treats. By not allowing Maggie to meet the ppl she is growling at is like telling her these are bad, stay away, so what Maggie is doing is protecting you from these bad ppl.

Putting bootie's on a dog is a lot different then putting a sweater or coat on them. These are their feet and covering their feet is weird to them, some will freeze like a statue. not move lol, funny. It' s a very strange feeling to them and they need to learn how to walk with them on, that's why you need to get the correct size for them, it is not a "one size fits all". You need a lot of patience and have her wear them and practice how to walk one step at a time and reward with treats when she takes each step with the booties on. These practice lessons should be indoors. Don't expect to put booties on her, take her out and she'll go trotting off, nope, not gonna happen lol. She has to learn how to walk in the booties.
If she doesn't put her booties on; then she'll have to get used to doing her business quick because where I live it'll likely be full of snow often in winter.


As for the alertness, I myself am alert. I personally had emotional trauma as a kid(I lived in a very rough area) so I am cautious everywhere, anywhere. Not paranoid or anything-- just straight out vigilant. I don't expect things to go south everytime I walk out my door-- I am just prepared I guess? I don't particularly live in a good neighborhood now either. It's going to sound offensive, but it's a neighborhood with people being on a much much lower income than average. Now I am not saying that is a bad thing-- but I've had experiences with that... in places like that is where I used to get jumped and beaten just to have my money stolen... which the ironic part of it is that I too was, and still am not super well off-- thus I live there. So why would I have any money on me if I was just a kid at the time? lol just the thought process doesnt make sense to me.

But I digress, my mom is less nervous than me and she's still like that when she walks outside with her. Shes not nervous- just alert/vigilant.

There are times I am spaced out, and have what I call my "dopey moments" where I feel nothing, nor am I thinking of anything. Even times like that, she's like that...



I do see pretty badly. I just broke my smaller toe nail (the smallest toes') by seeing the wall farther than it is and I hit it pretty hard against the corner of the wall. Didn't realize it broke until I saw blood on my carpet. So I guess she might pick on that.

For some reason she likes heavier petting. Sometimes I am just goofing off with her and I dont pet her hard where it hurts, but if I do that to the other dog she won't like it. But maggie treats it like its a face massage; because if I stop doing it she starts licking my hands like crazy(I think she knows I dont like drool lol) until I continue petting her like that. I dont know how to explain it without showing it. Because the way I am probably making it sounds is if I am being way too rough-- to the point I could be hurting her. But she's not in pain from it. When I do that she seems less tense and sleeps on my arms.

I've been giving her "me-time" for a few weeks because I also dont want her to get separation anxiety like the other one. It seems to do wonders. Then I spend time with her at random times of the day of my personal choosing so she doesnt get used to a set schedule of cuddle time. Because I noticed the other dog if you did that-- she'd bark non stop if you werent there at that time


Anywho yeah I was very uncomfortable that day and I think I was agitated but I didnt say anything. I guess I was agitated as much as she was; but being he's my brother I tried to calm down and not get out of hand or anything.

She's okay with him at times... If hes not stomping around the floor like he usually does with his heavy breathing. Idk how to explain it.He just has a strong character I guess.
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My FAV coat for Jackson is from VoyagersK9.

I've tried so many coats through the years and I love that this one actually keeps him warm and also has the "turtleneck" to keep that area warm but he's still able to freely run around in it. They make custom coats or you can look at measurements and find a breed specific coat that may fit. I did the Jack Russell Terrier one for Jackson who is 18lbs, 19" girth, 12" neck.

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After having an "animated discussion" with my hubby over the need for dog boots and the impossibility of finding any small enough for Fabian at local shops, we just ordered a pair from AllDogBoots.com. It was easy to get just the right size with their printable charts and precise measurements.
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We've been layering a Polartech vest underneath a faux lambswool lined bomber jacket for Fabian. Problem is that he's longer than tall, so many sweaters etc. are too short for him. the best advice we got on dressing him for the elements is to dress him in the same degree of warmth that we would need as humans. If we need sandals for warm pavement, he need sandals. If we need winter boots, so does he, etc.
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We've been layering a Polartech vest underneath a faux lambswool lined bomber jacket for Fabian. Problem is that he's longer than tall, so many sweaters etc. are too short for him. the best advice we got on dressing him for the elements is to dress him in the same degree of warmth that we would need as humans. If we need sandals for warm pavement, he need sandals. If we need winter boots, so does he, etc.
I think thats a good idea. i saw on chewie a bodysuit made out of nylon and the inside has fleece apparently but the part that touches the dogs skin is made of nylon too. its stuffed with fleece.

So i think id get that and have a fleece or some warm coat under it. be nice if i can find a strong nylon. she chews sometimes
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I think thats a good idea. i saw on chewie a bodysuit made out of nylon and the inside has fleece apparently but the part that touches the dogs skin is made of nylon too. its stuffed with fleece.

So i think id get that and have a fleece or some warm coat under it. be nice if i can find a strong nylon. she chews sometimes
I'm definitely going to check out the bodysuit. Thx for the recommendation.
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I'm definitely going to check out the bodysuit. Thx for the recommendation.
This is what I found on chewy.com:

https://www.chewy.com/ultra-paws-fle...tive/dp/119322

I'm not sure that even their smallest size (petite) would be appropriate for many Yorkies, though. They say it's for dogs weighing 8 to 15 pounds, but also give neck, back length, and girth (chest) measurements as guidelines. Be sure to check out their sizing video on the left side tab to learn how to take the measurements.
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I’m not sure how old she is but Callie used to be cold all the time and she found out she had hypothyroidism.
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