Some of you have rather large yorkies-- whats the biggest pure yorkie ever?

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Breeding to better the breed means breeding healthy. We have so many Yorkie's being breed by bad breeders that are breeding very unhealthy Yorkie's. I disagree with a lot of the standards they have done terrible things to several breeds. Health should always be first. Your opinion on reputable breeders and mine differ I think.

I felt like chiming in, but there have been breeders who many people swore by only to find out that they were purposely breeding dogs with things like luxating patellas, etc... because it's not that big of a deal according to them.

Here is a thread posted by an owner who had to deal with such a thing...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...eeding-lp.html


But this isn't entirely unheard of... I've known people that have gotten duped like that by breeders who appeared good, clean, knowledgeable, dogs were in with them and you couldn't see anything wrong-- but when they'd get them they'd find out sometime later they're born with an illness that could had been prevented.

A bad breeder can easily disguise themselves as a good breeder... Wolves in sheepskin clothing.... and once it's done they can't do anything about it legally because they'd have bogus loop holes like they dont guarantee against certain defects...

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

I felt like chiming in, but there have been breeders who many people swore by only to find out that they were purposely breeding dogs with things like luxating patellas, etc... because it's not that big of a deal according to them.

Here is a thread posted by an owner who had to deal with such a thing...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...eeding-lp.html


But this isn't entirely unheard of... I've known people that have gotten duped like that by breeders who appeared good, clean, knowledgeable, dogs were in with them and you couldn't see anything wrong-- but when they'd get them they'd find out sometime later they're born with an illness that could had been prevented.

A bad breeder can easily disguise themselves as a good breeder... Wolves in sheepskin clothing.... and once it's done they can't do anything about it legally because they'd have bogus loop holes like they dont guarantee against certain defects...

I have seen some pretty amazing websites that the breeder ends up being apuppy mill. It would be nice if people would wake up and help starting banning puppy mills. I can't help but think it would cut back on the number of dogs that get euthanized each year.

[Princess Hayley]

My Yorkies are bigger. 12.5 and 13 lbs. we were looking for bigger Yorkies. We boat and didn't want to worry about stepping on them. They go everywhere with us.

[rjwalt]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I have seen some pretty amazing websites that the breeder ends up being apuppy mill. It would be nice if people would wake up and help starting banning puppy mills. I can't help but think it would cut back on the number of dogs that get euthanized each year.

Puppy Mills are bad news, period. But the reality is, the number of pet stores that actually sells pets (dogs/cats) is going down in the U. S. That's where the majority of these dogs are being sold, in conjunction with shady online sites. They are being choked out of business little by little.

But the reason dogs are ending up in shelters is not just because they were born in a puppy mill, or bred by a bad breeder, it's because people either don't really take the time to research and be honest with themselves as to whether or not they can actually care for a dog and the things that may pop up. The others end up there because they get lost, had undesirable owners, or life changes that happen and make it harder for a family or owner to continue to care for the animals.

With that said, choosing a breeder or a rescue is a personal choice and people are not necessarily going to go the route of a rescue because there are no puppy mill puppies available. Fact is, if you are looking for a 12 week old Yorkie puppy to add to your family, you will probably not find one at a rescue anywhere. You will find a breeder or someone with a litter. And there is nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, can handle, and researched. Some of the dogs in rescues in shelters probably came from awesome breeders, and probably have had tons of money spent on them.

It's more troublesome to go to a pound or rescue group and get a dog out of pity or because you couldn't get a puppy mill dog from a store that won't fit into your lifestyle or situation than to just go find the dog that is more likely to be the best for your lifestyle and the dog. That's the good thing about breeds, they make it easier to find a breed that's best for you.


Yes, by all means let's get rid of puppy mills and substandard breeders but the answer to dropping the number of animals euthanized each year is proper education, research, and possibly more organizations that help people who come up on hard times to pay for food and medical care.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by rjwalt

Puppy Mills are bad news, period. But the reality is, the number of pet stores that actually sells pets (dogs/cats) is going down in the U. S. That's where the majority of these dogs are being sold, in conjunction with shady online sites. They are being choked out of business little by little.

But the reason dogs are ending up in shelters is not just because they were born in a puppy mill, or bred by a bad breeder, it's because people either don't really take the time to research and be honest with themselves as to whether or not they can actually care for a dog and the things that may pop up. The others end up there because they get lost, had undesirable owners, or life changes that happen and make it harder for a family or owner to continue to care for the animals.

With that said, choosing a breeder or a rescue is a personal choice and people are not necessarily going to go the route of a rescue because there are no puppy mill puppies available. Fact is, if you are looking for a 12 week old Yorkie puppy to add to your family, you will probably not find one at a rescue anywhere. You will find a breeder or someone with a litter. And there is nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, can handle, and researched. Some of the dogs in rescues in shelters probably came from awesome breeders, and probably have had tons of money spent on them.

It's more troublesome to go to a pound or rescue group and get a dog out of pity or because you couldn't get a puppy mill dog from a store that won't fit into your lifestyle or situation than to just go find the dog that is more likely to be the best for your lifestyle and the dog. That's the good thing about breeds, they make it easier to find a breed that's best for you.


Yes, by all means let's get rid of puppy mills and substandard breeders but the answer to dropping the number of animals euthanized each year is proper education, research, and possibly more organizations that help people who come up on hard times to pay for food and medical care.

Puppies bought in pet stores are often bought a lot of times are bought on a whim or as a gift. The puppy becomes to much work gets to big or so on so it gets dumped. So getting rid of pet stores selling dogs would limit puppy mills so it would make a difference in the euthanization rate and could possibly put a big dent in it. Good breeders should have a contract where if the puppy couldn't be kept it it returned to them some also microchip and register the chip to them therefore they try to keep there pups out of shelters as much as possible. They also don't just sell to any one they ask lots of questions to try and rule out the bad owners.

[rjwalt]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Puppies bought in pet stores are often bought a lot of times are bought on a whim or as a gift. The puppy becomes to much work gets to big or so on so it gets dumped. So getting rid of pet stores selling dogs would limit puppy mills so it would make a difference in the euthanization rate and could possibly put a big dent in it. Good breeders should have a contract where if the puppy couldn't be kept it it returned to them some also microchip and register the chip to them therefore they try to keep their pups out of shelters as much as possible. They also don't just sell to anyone they ask lots of questions to try and rule out the bad owners.

Most breeders never hear from the people who they sell dogs to ever again, unless there is a problem and they want their money back. They can call, but if the people don't answer......And a lot of people travel a long way to purchase dogs from breeders so no one is popping in for spot welfare checks on a liter of 5 X's however many litters they have produced over the years.

It's completely up to the person who buys the dog, no one is out here rolling around enforcing dog ownership policies and if a dog is surrendered, there is no need to scan for a microchip. And who is gonna spend money on a lawyer to have a contract enforced? They are pretty much useless. All these breeders who sell dogs with limited registration and spay neuter contracts, it's generally just for show in order to say they did it and the "reputable breeder" stamp of approval. They may actually mean well but dogs are property in this country and people ultimately do what they want to do with them.

Honestly, from puppy mills or not, I believe most people who spend hard earned money on purebred animals do the best that they can and the dogs live out their natural lives with the people who buy them. If they get sick, they take them to a vet or surrender them if they can't afford treatment or they put them down themselves.

This is fact kind of circles around to the OP's original question about big yorkies. Because many people are done with the breeder after they get their pups' the breeder often has no way of knowing how big the pups end up or if they have rare cancers, or un-tested/detectable genetic diseases, and this is also the reason why people end up being "duped" and end up with 25 lb dogs that were supposed to be 5lbs.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by rjwalt

Most breeders never hear from the people who they sell dogs to ever again, unless there is a problem and they want their money back. They can call, but if the people don't answer......And a lot of people travel a long way to purchase dogs from breeders so no one is popping in for spot welfare checks on a liter of 5 X's however many litters they have produced over the years.

It's completely up to the person who buys the dog, no one is out here rolling around enforcing dog ownership policies and if a dog is surrendered, there is no need to scan for a microchip. And who is gonna spend money on a lawyer to have a contract enforced? They are pretty much useless. All these breeders who sell dogs with limited registration and spay neuter contracts, it's generally just for show in order to say they did it and the "reputable breeder" stamp of approval. They may actually mean well but dogs are property in this country and people ultimately do what they want to do with them.

Honestly, from puppy mills or not, I believe most people who spend hard earned money on purebred animals do the best that they can and the dogs live out their natural lives with the people who buy them. If they get sick, they take them to a vet or surrender them if they can't afford treatment or they put them down themselves.

This is fact kind of circles around to the OP's original question about big yorkies. Because many people are done with the breeder after they get their pups' the breeder often has no way of knowing how big the pups end up or if they have rare cancers, or un-tested/detectable genetic diseases, and this is also the reason why people end up being "duped" and end up with 25 lb dogs that were supposed to be 5lbs.

Rescues and shelters are suppossed to check for microchips. Also puppies sold on limited registration can not register their litter with the AKC if they have one. I don't think your definition of good breeders adds up to mine. A good breeder works very hard on their lines and would seek leagle action if necessary. A lot also keep in touch and do home checks. No good breeder would fully guarantee the size of a dog either it's generally the bad ones who say oh this will be really tiny little teacup and it ends up being 16 pounds.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I have seen some pretty amazing websites that the breeder ends up being apuppy mill. It would be nice if people would wake up and help starting banning puppy mills. I can't help but think it would cut back on the number of dogs that get euthanized each year.

Spotting a true breeder might be kind of an art. tbh, I have problem spotting them too... the bad ones are good at lying it seems.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by rjwalt

Puppy Mills are bad news, period. But the reality is, the number of pet stores that actually sells pets (dogs/cats) is going down in the U. S. That's where the majority of these dogs are being sold, in conjunction with shady online sites. They are being choked out of business little by little.

But the reason dogs are ending up in shelters is not just because they were born in a puppy mill, or bred by a bad breeder, it's because people either don't really take the time to research and be honest with themselves as to whether or not they can actually care for a dog and the things that may pop up. The others end up there because they get lost, had undesirable owners, or life changes that happen and make it harder for a family or owner to continue to care for the animals.

With that said, choosing a breeder or a rescue is a personal choice and people are not necessarily going to go the route of a rescue because there are no puppy mill puppies available. Fact is, if you are looking for a 12 week old Yorkie puppy to add to your family, you will probably not find one at a rescue anywhere. You will find a breeder or someone with a litter. And there is nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, can handle, and researched. Some of the dogs in rescues in shelters probably came from awesome breeders, and probably have had tons of money spent on them.

It's more troublesome to go to a pound or rescue group and get a dog out of pity or because you couldn't get a puppy mill dog from a store that won't fit into your lifestyle or situation than to just go find the dog that is more likely to be the best for your lifestyle and the dog. That's the good thing about breeds, they make it easier to find a breed that's best for you.


Yes, by all means let's get rid of puppy mills and substandard breeders but the answer to dropping the number of animals euthanized each year is proper education, research, and possibly more organizations that help people who come up on hard times to pay for food and medical care.

True people don't think things through. I have some beef with some rescues... there were some rescues, and pounds we met to check up on dogs and some of the dogs described one way were the opposite... also

what really makes me annoyed is kind of a blatant lie...

Like on the dogs page it'd say "Baby" and when you ask for the age- they'd tell you 8 years old. Then you'd correct them and they'd say something along the lines "well they act like babies"...


I know people are trying to find homes for animals-- but purposely omitting truths is shameful and deceitful.

A lot of the times I'd ask for the health, and the page would say clean bill of health but I'd ask them to make sure.. and then I'd get info on them describing some really intense lifelong illness... like one dog even being half blind.. or another dog having severe genetic issues, etc.

Again, omitting info like that is shameful and deceitful.

Obviously if you get a dog you will take care of it regardless of what it has-- but you don't purposely go seek out a dog that has the most illness... I mean not to sound cruel or anything... but not everyone is prepared to work with that on the first go.

Or how they'd say the dog is calm, friendly, nice, etc... and when you meet it in person it's showing dominant energy, mild aggression, doesn't like to be pet much or held, etc.

I could imagine them lying about something like a larger dog to person with children... saying how the dog is calm, friendly, good with kids-- and the moment they meet the kid hasnt done anything yet and the dog is trying to bite its face off...

I just think there should be more care in wording things, honesty, etc..

I had emails upon emails from different organizations which would clarify upon inquiry about a dogs personality, health, etc and stuff wouldnt be the same as what is on the post...

[whiteyorkie]

So well said!


People are quitters & salesmen are greedy liars.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Spotting a true breeder might be kind of an art. tbh, I have problem spotting them too... the bad ones are good at lying it seems.

The best actually because they don't feel bad about it. There are some major red flags though usually.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by whiteyorkie

So well said!


People are quitters & salesmen are greedy liars.

Not all people are quitters and I know several salesmen that are great people.

[rjwalt]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Rescues and shelters are suppossed to check for microchips. Also puppies sold on limited registration can not register their litter with the AKC if they have one. I don't think your definition of good breeders adds up to mine. A good breeder works very hard on their lines and would seek leagle action if necessary. A lot also keep in touch and do home checks. No good breeder would fully guarantee the size of a dog either it's generally the bad ones who say oh this will be really tiny little teacup and it ends up being 16 pounds.

Even if they check microchips if a person is surrendering an animal, they will more than likely take their word for it and find the dog a new home. You think they are gonna hunt down a breeder five states away to return a dog to them that they sold 10 years ago and the breeder is gonna take the dog back (from a rescue trying to place the dog) to what? Another rescue to place the dog?

And If you have not looked for a yorkie lately, let me school you on a little factoid....About 75 percent of the yorkies available are not AKC registered. they are purebred but most likely came from AKC registered dogs with limited registration, re-registered with CKC or other registrations that accept limited AKC registration forms to register the dogs on their registry....,now with full breeding rights. Its simple, its not a scam, and its legal.

9 times out of 10 when you see someone walking around loving up on their yorkies, taking care of them when they are sick, playing ball at the park, they came from one of these breeders.... Be cause the breeders that you are talking about have 2-3 year waiting list and that is generally full of other breeders like them. People simply can not afford them or are in the right circles to ever score one.

So the low-key guilt-tripping in every thread, every chance you get on how and where some people got their dogs is a little silly and possibly offensive. We all love yorkies, we all hate the fact that some dogs get sick and some dogs don't have homes, BUT ONCE THE DOGS ARE HERE, THEY NEED HOMES AND CARE. So if you want a yorkie, you have the means and time to take care of them then people need to do what works for them and not be judged for trying to love a dog. Honestly, if someone has a litter of perfectly healthy yorkie pups should people really snub their noses at them while being sold by the breeder? Because they were not genetically tested? And do what, go get a dog from a rescue (because they won't be getting one from the breeders you speak of anytime soon) who is coincidentally from the same type of situation as the little innocent pups? what's the difference other than a few years and possibly damage that you can save these little pups from ever having to go through.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by rjwalt

Even if they check microchips if a person is surrendering an animal, they will more than likely take their word for it and find the dog a new home. You think they are gonna hunt down a breeder five states away to return a dog to them that they sold 10 years ago and the breeder is gonna take the dog back (from a rescue trying to place the dog) to what? Another rescue to place the dog?

And If you have not looked for a yorkie lately, let me school you on a little factoid....About 75 percent of the yorkies available are not AKC registered. they are purebred but most likely came from AKC registered dogs with limited registration, re-registered with CKC or other registrations that accept limited AKC registration forms to register the dogs on their registry....,now with full breeding rights. Its simple, its not a scam, and its legal.

9 times out of 10 when you see someone walking around loving up on their yorkies, taking care of them when they are sick, playing ball at the park, they came from one of these breeders.... Be cause the breeders that you are talking about have 2-3 year waiting list and that is generally full of other breeders like them. People simply can not afford them or are in the right circles to ever score one.

So the low-key guilt-tripping in every thread, every chance you get on how and where some people got their dogs is a little silly and possibly offensive. We all love yorkies, we all hate the fact that some dogs get sick and some dogs don't have homes, BUT ONCE THE DOGS ARE HERE, THEY NEED HOMES AND CARE. So if you want a yorkie, you have the means and time to take care of them then people need to do what works for them and not be judged for trying to love a dog. Honestly, if someone has a litter of perfectly healthy yorkie pups should people really snub their noses at them while being sold by the breeder? Because they were not genetically tested? And do what, go get a dog from a rescue (because they won't be getting one from the breeders you speak of anytime soon) who is coincidentally from the same type of situation as the little innocent pups? what's the difference other than a few years and possibly damage that you can save these little pups from ever having to go through.

Ussally they just have to call the number from the chip it's not that hard. At first when I was 20 yeah I probably judged where people got their pets but if they don't know better it's not their fault. I will sure as heck judge someone who buys their pet from a pet store or a very obvious puppy mill when they know what it is because they are supporting a puppy mill and keeping it in business. But other then the person buying from a Korean puppy mill I haven't judged people for their breeder choices. None of mine came from good breeders so I'm not sure why you think I am some snob because I'm not. The only way we stop bad breeders is educate buyers. I will never stop educating and I won't apologize for that. I have had to watch a dog suffer from issues because of a bad breeder so I will always speak out about them.

[whiteyorkie]

I only took my 2nd maltese from a breeder to stop her from breeding more. The woman actually wanted to breed less, but as long as she had the dog she was going to breed.


It's sad, but sometime you have to make a deal with the devil to save a life. In China rescue people often buy dogs from bad people to save them from winding up a meal.


And sorry, I shouldn't have implied all sales people.