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yorkiemini · 06-04-2017, 09:41 AM

We know a breeder who continues to breed a cardiac issue into her line which does not get noticed for a year or two. She counties to refuse to DNA test, or discuss the fault with potential buyers. The dogs are beautiful but die young unfortunately. The breeder must find this acceptable because during the show season, while finishing the dogs, and having their fist littler, they are fine.

Clearly all she care about are the wins, the ribbons, and the next litter, no consideration for the dogs! I can not stomach that, it she manages to perpetuate the great breeder persona and a following of loyal people,to,keep,itmall going.

Every time I see her at a show I want the throw up

scrapindee · 06-12-2017, 04:04 PM

Wow I am sad to read this. I did not know that LP was an extremely common occurrence in Yorkies. I breed Biewers and have since 2004. At the age of a year, I take all my breeding dogs to the vet for OFA checking on patellas. This goes a long with doing DNA, Diversity testing, coi matching, and vet exams.

I don't understand how a breeder who consistently breeds bad patalleas hasn't been outed. And suspended from YTCA.

Lovetodream88 · 06-12-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scrapindee

Wow I am sad to read this. I did not know that LP was an extremely common occurrence in Yorkies. I breed Biewers and have since 2004. At the age of a year, I take all my breeding dogs to the vet for OFA checking on patellas. This goes a long with doing DNA, Diversity testing, coi matching, and vet exams.

I don't understand how a breeder who consistently breeds bad patalleas hasn't been outed. And suspended from YTCA.

A lot of yorkie breeders are not even part of the ytca. A while back when I was on my shove good breeders down your neck phase I had several people tell me a lot of show breeders do this. It really kinda soured me to breeders.

BayleighL · 06-13-2017, 08:35 AM

Unfortunately, a lot of buyers do not even know the questions to ask. I learned the hard way with a sheltie we bought many years ago. I knew nothing in a sad sort of way except the breeder said "sheltie". I didn't spend time with the parents, know about health checks, etc.

Since then we have had two dogs. It's a bit uncomfortable to be really assertive when talking to breeders before even going to see a puppy. There were a lot of "thank you for your time"....click..........never call again moments before we found our breeder and puppy. I question the practice of breeders preselling pups and accepting deposits. I understand there are reputable breeders, but not all puppies are a good match for all owners so a deposit puts pressure on the buyer.

We had naively thought we might let our girl have a litter before spaying and then we began to do research and learned we couldn't possibly know enough to be prepared to do what a good breeder does.

Those of us who have great pups really appreciate great breeders.

Lovetodream88 · 06-13-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BayleighL

Unfortunately, a lot of buyers do not even know the questions to ask. I learned the hard way with a sheltie we bought many years ago. I knew nothing in a sad sort of way except the breeder said "sheltie". I didn't spend time with the parents, know about health checks, etc.

Since then we have had two dogs. It's a bit uncomfortable to be really assertive when talking to breeders before even going to see a puppy. There were a lot of "thank you for your time"....click..........never call again moments before we found our breeder and puppy. I question the practice of breeders preselling pups and accepting deposits. I understand there are reputable breeders, but not all puppies are a good match for all owners so a deposit puts pressure on the buyer.

We had naively thought we might let our girl have a litter before spaying and then we began to do research and learned we couldn't possibly know enough to be prepared to do what a good breeder does.

Those of us who have great pups really appreciate great breeders.

Your breeder didn't have a spay and neuter contract? Reputable breeders do that because they work very hard on their lines and don't want anyone else breeding them.

BayleighL · 06-13-2017, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Your breeder didn't have a spay and neuter contract? Reputable breeders do that because they work very hard on their lines and don't want anyone else breeding them.

We had spoken at length with her and she had offered to assist. But given the whole of the responsibility would be ours and we knew what it took to find a correct male even with assistance, successfully breed, and the whole birth, registration, taking care of newborns, vet care, vaccination, and choosing good homes we knew we were way in over our heads.

TysonMyBoy · 06-13-2017, 12:17 PM

Our little girl, Rin, has grade 2 (very close to 3) LP. Our vet's recommendation:

1. maintain a healthy weight
2. exercise daily
3. glucosamine supplement
4. Limit jumping (this is the most difficult)

our vet keeps an eye on the knees. Thankfully, surgery has never been recommended. Rin will be 9 in a couple of months and does well. This can be managed (at the lower level).

Shame on that breeder. She should see how many times she can dislocate her knee cap and continue to feel good.

jacksmom21 · 06-21-2017, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemini

Breeding a dog with known defects is, in my opinion, not only disgusting but fraud. There is a breeder/show dog person I know who breeds cardiomeglia into her dogs to get the coat and show gait. Beautiful dogs, but don't live long.

What is the purpose😡 A few ribbons - probably the show reputation and the $$ she makes selling pups!

This is one of the reasons the YTCA is now pushing for the DNA testing. Today, I would not buy a dog without it. It is not the all in all, but it is a step forward. And it is not too expensive. Of course the best is an honest breeder!

Hi! I'm new here and looking to find a reputable breeder not to far from Bergen County, NJ... any suggestions? I've had 2 yorkies in the past that had a slew of health issues that I purchased at a pet store and want to avoid at all costs!

Lovetodream88 · 06-22-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksmom21

Hi! I'm new here and looking to find a reputable breeder not to far from Bergen County, NJ... any suggestions? I've had 2 yorkies in the past that had a slew of health issues that I purchased at a pet store and want to avoid at all costs!

Yeah sadly pet store puppies come from puppy mills so you don't want to do that again. Have you checked out the ytca.org?

06-04-2017, 09:41 AM	#31
yorkiemini Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA Posts: 4,285	We know a breeder who continues to breed a cardiac issue into her line which does not get noticed for a year or two. She counties to refuse to DNA test, or discuss the fault with potential buyers. The dogs are beautiful but die young unfortunately. The breeder must find this acceptable because during the show season, while finishing the dogs, and having their fist littler, they are fine. Clearly all she care about are the wins, the ribbons, and the next litter, no consideration for the dogs! I can not stomach that, it she manages to perpetuate the great breeder persona and a following of loyal people,to,keep,itmall going. Every time I see her at a show I want the throw up __________________ . Cali , and Cali's keeper and staff, Jay No, not a "mini" Yorkie - She loves to motor in her Mini Cooper car

06-12-2017, 04:04 PM	#32
scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	Wow I am sad to read this. I did not know that LP was an extremely common occurrence in Yorkies. I breed Biewers and have since 2004. At the age of a year, I take all my breeding dogs to the vet for OFA checking on patellas. This goes a long with doing DNA, Diversity testing, coi matching, and vet exams. I don't understand how a breeder who consistently breeds bad patalleas hasn't been outed. And suspended from YTCA. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

06-13-2017, 08:35 AM	#34
BayleighL YT Addict Join Date: May 2017 Location: Wenatchee, WA USA Posts: 380	Buyers beware Unfortunately, a lot of buyers do not even know the questions to ask. I learned the hard way with a sheltie we bought many years ago. I knew nothing in a sad sort of way except the breeder said "sheltie". I didn't spend time with the parents, know about health checks, etc. Since then we have had two dogs. It's a bit uncomfortable to be really assertive when talking to breeders before even going to see a puppy. There were a lot of "thank you for your time"....click..........never call again moments before we found our breeder and puppy. I question the practice of breeders preselling pups and accepting deposits. I understand there are reputable breeders, but not all puppies are a good match for all owners so a deposit puts pressure on the buyer. We had naively thought we might let our girl have a litter before spaying and then we began to do research and learned we couldn't possibly know enough to be prepared to do what a good breeder does. Those of us who have great pups really appreciate great breeders.

06-13-2017, 12:17 PM	#37
TysonMyBoy Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Panama City Beach Posts: 161	Our little girl, Rin, has grade 2 (very close to 3) LP. Our vet's recommendation: 1. maintain a healthy weight 2. exercise daily 3. glucosamine supplement 4. Limit jumping (this is the most difficult) our vet keeps an eye on the knees. Thankfully, surgery has never been recommended. Rin will be 9 in a couple of months and does well. This can be managed (at the lower level). Shame on that breeder. She should see how many times she can dislocate her knee cap and continue to feel good. __________________ Pam, mommy to Tyson and Rin, grandma to Ernie (Surely I'm not old enough to be a grandma)