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JENNY_KRISTEN 01-19-2006 05:06 PM

Our Female Yorkie Is Sweet,loving,and Hyper But Does Not Bite But I Do Not Have A Chocolate Yorkie

Lorraine 01-19-2006 07:13 PM

The red or chocolate YOrkie is recessive gene combination which often can be a problem as the pup matures. It is NOT ever desirable to produce these as it is so far from the breed standard. A friend of mine ended up with one in a litter, figured out where it came up which you can do if you know your pedigrees and made sure it never happened again. The pup she had she gave, not ever sold, to a friend of a friend as a pet and it got a good home. It was given to the new owner with the understanding there may be problems in the future.. It was neutered to be sure it would never reproduce.

SoCalyorkiLvr 01-19-2006 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73
it happens when both parents carry the recessive gene and recessive genes aren't a good thing. If they carry the recessive gene for this then what other recessive genes are in the lines?.

Recessive genes are not bad. I mean blue eyes in humans are recessive but that doesn't make them BAD.

I found this on a chocolate yorkie breeder's website:http://www.elvisyorkshireterrier.com/
In our opinion the chocolate yorkie is a beautiful looking dog that can give its owner many years of love and companionship. If you are interested in a yorkshire terrier and you want a chocolate, then you need to read what other people say about chocolate yorkies and then make an educated decision on whether or not a chocolate yorkshire terrier is for you. To get you started in this process we have taken statements from other people and presented you with an opposing argument.

1. Actually, the "Chocolate Yorkie" is an overload of red gold and is a mutation of our breed and should not be bred as it is a complete loss of pigment.

This statement contradicts itself. If the yorkie is an overload of red and gold pigmentation then there can't be a complete loss of pigment. A complete loss of pigment should result in an albino yorkie. Secondly, an unexpected color in offspring can occur in at least two ways:

A. A change of the DNA sequence within a gene or chromosome of an organism resulting in the creation of a new character or trait not found in the parental type. Either of the words, evolution or mutation can be used to describe this change.
B. The gene responsible for the unexpected color was present in one or both of the parent’s ancestors.

There are no medical documents indicating that a yorkie that is chocolate, is a result of a change in the DNA sequence within a gene or chromosome, but there is some indication that the chocolate gene was introduced into the yorkshire terrier breed with the black/tan terrier known today as the Manchester Terrier by the Scott's using the Skye-black and tan terrier crosses and crossing them with the Waterside Terrier. This black/tan was referred to as a crossbred terrier dark brown in color. Click here to view the complete article.


2. Those that advertise this color as Rare are being dishonest in that they are just trying to enrich themselves with more money, in spite of the lack of pigment in the dogs they produce which could bring a genetic nightmare to the breed. Don't be taken in by this false advertising.

One of the definitions of rare is infrequently occurring; uncommon. Many show breeders have told me that, at least in the early years of breeding Yorkshire Terriers, breeders would spray/neuter or even dispose of chocolate yorkshire terrier puppies. This practice would even make the gene pool even smaller for the chocolate yorkshire terrier resulting in the likely hood of getting chocolate yorkies even more uncommon. So whether the chocolate yorkshire terrier is a result of evolution or from it's ancestors, the chocolate yorkshire terrier occurs infrequently and by definition should be considered rare.

3. One of the reasons for avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't limited to, severe skin problems, allergies total hair loss and in some cases long-term illness and/or death. A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.

The only colors that meet the AKC standard are Blue/Tan and Blue/Gold. So any other color such as Black/Tan and Chocolate/Tan are considered "off-colored" Yorkies. I can't find any documentation in which health problems occur as a result of the Black/Tan or Chocolate/Tan pigmentation and in fact a show breeder has reported that they have not heard of health problems with the chocolate born puppies, like with the blue born puppies. I would hope that all breeders consider health issues as undesirable traits, but as far as physical appearance, size, weight and color, the show breeder and the general public may differ greatly. What is highly undesirable for one group may be highly desirable for another group. Please have respect for other people’s opinions even though they may be different than yours.

The real truths about Chocolate Yorkshire Terriers are:
1. Chocolate Yorkshire Terriers do exist.
2. The chocolate/tan yorkie does not meet the AKC standard for Yorkshire Terriers.
3. As of today the Chocolate Yorkie could be considered as rare.

This article was not written in an attempt to persuade anyone's opinion on chocolate yorkies, but to demonstrate that very little of what is said about Chocolate Yorkies is factual and most is only someone else's opinion. One definition of opinion is: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof. We encourage our customers to determine what is factual and what is just one's opinion. If there isn't enough factual information available to determine if a chocolate yorkie is right for you then find out what other people's opinion are and if their opinions make any sense to you. By following this process you will be less likely to have any regrets no matter what your final decision.

The whole time writing this article something was really bothering me but I just couldn't put my finger on it until now. Here we have an article about Chocolate Yorkshire Terriers that is actually trivial compared to many of the world problems and people just can't express their opinions without degrading anyone whose opinion is different than there's. To call people dishonest, irresponsible, backyard breeder, and etc. just because someone doesn’t share their opinion about chocolate yorkies doesn’t make sense to me. If people can't accept and respect other peoples opinion about a trivial topic such as chocolate yorkies it's no wonder we have so much war and terrorism thru out the world. Elizabeth Drew stated "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination but by opinion" and until people understand this fact and can respect a differing opinion things won't get better

PlatinumYorkies 01-20-2006 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
Recessive genes are not bad. I mean blue eyes in humans are recessive but that doesn't make them BAD.

I found this on a chocolate yorkie breeder's website:http://www.elvisyorkshireterrier.com/

She didn't say anywhere that she bred chocolates, she said she was givinginformation about them...to help people to determine if a Chocolate was right for them.

SoCalyorkiLvr 01-20-2006 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies
She didn't say anywhere that she bred chocolates, she said she was givinginformation about them...to help people to determine if a Chocolate was right for them.

I stand corrected. :) *bump*

M&M yorkies 01-22-2006 06:39 AM

Hi , I am a volunteer with Canadian Yorkshire Terrier Rescue and am currently fostering Cookie , who is featured on our site (canadianyorkshireterrierrescue.com) We noticed that she does not have the rim around her eyes , that she is quite red and her back hair is darkish brown ... her nose appears black , but has a dark brownish tint to it---could she be a chocolate yorkie? Don't know enough about it to be sure. If you have knowledge , could you please look at her picture on the site!!?? I would appreciate it. I never knew there was such a thing as a chocolate Yorkie , but then , until i started in Rescue(which I love) I never knew you could get a15 lb yorkie... or imagined that someone could abuse one. I ma also fostering gord , ... he has a pedigree chart , doesn't look purebred to me!! Tracy

SoCalyorkiLvr 01-22-2006 08:25 AM

M&M...I am no expert but I don't think Cookie is a chocolate. It looks like her "saddle" is a grayish color and i don't think chocolates can have gray on them.

Very cute though and you are such a dear for doing this work and fostering and/or adopting these poor babies. :thumbup:

M&M yorkies 01-22-2006 08:43 AM

Her coat actually hasn't got grey , it is dark brown shot with red-gold!! picture is bad. It was the eye thing, No black rim that got me. It really is of no import, just that the vet attributes her lack of eye line to allergies and anal gland problems... had never heard of choccies , am loving learning more. Rescue is so rewarding...TRacy

Breezeaway 01-22-2006 08:53 AM

JMO but the choclate pup in the picture doesnt look like its well cared for. Look at the dirty ears. How do they get that dirty if kept in the house?


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