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matese · 08-18-2016, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lillymae

My Mom is a Property & Evidence Officer with a Police Dept. One of the Officers told her years ago to carry wasp spray when she walks her babies OR when she goes for a walk alone as it works much better & travels a greater distance then mace or pepper spray. With mace & pepper spray, you have to waite for the culprit to be on top of you before it works. We carry Wasp spray as well, never heard it was illegal to use. Hmmmm, Maybe I'll just have to carry my Pistol instead then.

I had read an article where women were getting robbed in their office, they started using wasp spray as a means of defense because of the distance factor. What a GREAT idea for aggressive dogs. When the YT member wrote it was illegal. I did a google search for my state, and YES it is illegal, BUT, I STILL carry it. Whose dogs are these? why are these aggressive loose? They WILL get sprayed. I am NOT going to wait for a crazed dog to get 3 to 5 feet near my pup to use pepper or bear spray, I want to STOP that dog at a distance, give me time to scoop up my boy. I do not CARE if it is illegal.

Jkpal · 08-18-2016, 05:12 AM

I do not CARE if it is illegal. I'm with you 100%, Matese!

matese · 08-18-2016, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jkpal

I do not CARE if it is illegal. I'm with you 100%, Matese!

fauna · 08-18-2016, 05:25 AM

Tsk tsk I'm very sad about this incident. Poor guy he love his yorkie so much but can't imagine that he will die protecting his dog tsk tsk. That owner of the pitbull is very irresponsible we don't need to scare from dog because of this situation, every owner has their own responsibility to their dogs and that's a good key to improve their behavior and be more active on socializing. We know dogs are animal so we need to be careful and we are the one responsible for changing their behaviour. Especially to the dog that high risk aggression like pitbull.

Lord Harvington · 08-19-2016, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jkpal

Verbal altercations, wasp, pepper, and bear spray, or pistols(??)...I, too, will do what it takes to protect Piper. It'd be nice if those owners of large dogs with questionable training/temperament, would simply do one lousy thing---keep their dogs leashed! That, at least, would be something--not much, but something.

These people with dogs like that will not keep them on a lead for one good reason , they use these dogs to intimidate and scare.Thats the same wherever you go in the world sadly.
I can fully understand all of your sentiments regarding your precious dogs , sadly all of your measures are illegal here in the UK , luckily my Yorkie is 20lb and is part of a pack of four , Cavapoo , Labrador and Germsn Sheppard.

matese · 08-19-2016, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Harvington

These people with dogs like that will not keep them on a lead for one good reason , they use these dogs to intimidate and scare.Thats the same wherever you go in the world sadly.
I can fully understand all of your sentiments regarding your precious dogs , sadly all of your measures are illegal here in the UK , luckily my Yorkie is 20lb and is part of a pack of four , Cavapoo , Labrador and Germsn Sheppard.

If my 12 lb boy had your 3 as back up I wouldn't need my wasp spray lol.

buddybear · 08-19-2016, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Harvington

These people with dogs like that will not keep them on a lead for one good reason , they use these dogs to intimidate and scare.Thats the same wherever you go in the world sadly.
I can fully understand all of your sentiments regarding your precious dogs , sadly all of your measures are illegal here in the UK , luckily my Yorkie is 20lb and is part of a pack of four , Cavapoo , Labrador and Germsn Sheppard.

I don't have a pack like that but it still might be wise to carry a baseball bat even with such a great group.

LunarBerry · 08-19-2016, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jkpal

Verbal altercations, wasp, pepper, and bear spray, or pistols(??)...I, too, will do what it takes to protect Piper. It'd be nice if those owners of large dogs with questionable training/temperament, would simply do one lousy thing---keep their dogs leashed! That, at least, would be something--not much, but something.

IKR? Sometimes at least some effort is better than no effort and alot of times the dogs may even listen better to the owners than to others. I've heard how dogs are attacking or messing with people just passing by and the irresponsible owners are either just standing by, doing nothing and just watching or taking amusement to the situation. Those kind, tick me off the most. I won't have any sympathy when it comes down to it.
But, I can have more leniency or even sympathy, if the owner shows true remorse and/or serious effort to prevent/stop the dangerous situation. Some kind of genuine effort, at least. I'd feel more inclined that it's an honest accident, as opposed to serious neglect or even down right maliciousness. Granted it won't stop me from doing what I need to do, but it'll make me more inclined to try my best to make the situation more positive for both our situation.
Now there are some owners that are well meaning but lack common sense X.x They are sometimes a bit more harder to figure how to handle, because they seem so naive or just so nice and innocent about dog/human body language that you just don't feel inclined to get firm with them >_<;; I've come across one such before.
I've had one little old, sweet lady have a puppy that will obviously be a much bigger dog later, not reign in/discipline this pup when it was pawing at my girl. At first my girl seemed curious and sniffing at the pup but when the pup got on hind legs and pretty much pawed at her and basically scratching at her, she was not a happy camper and began to snap at the pup X_x;;; I knew both dog and lady didn't mean any harm (she was trying to keep telling me that her pup was not trying to be mean), but at the same time both my body language (and tone) and my dog's should've tipped her off that we are not comfortable with her pup's behavior. I've even had a worker at the store we were in mentioned they don't believe she could handle that pup when it's older and much bigger.
I've had others that are very good about handling their dogs, like one that was bigger than mine, and my girl was looking up at them and was showing signs of a greeting (to me that's what I understood), but the other gave a low growl and we both immediately parted, with some apologetic words/body language to each other.

matese · 08-20-2016, 01:09 AM

June of this year, Cody was on front deck that is gated, I was in front of my neighbors house talking to them, I hear Cody start to bark, I look over to see why. Coming up the road are 3 young kids about 12 or 13 yo, two of the kids were walking pit bulls. Cody's bark was getting more aggressive, I RAN to my house to get Cody inside, my concern was one lung these pit bulls would get loose from these kids. As I was "fast trotting" to my house I hear one kid (a girl) say "my dog eats that for a snack" REALLY!!! I get Cody in the house, then I get in my car and follow these kids, they lived 4 house apart from each other and 10 houses past my house, I went to the house of the girl that made that comment, told the mother what the girl had said, the mother says their dog is a genital dog not a fighter, I tell her of my dogs aggressive barking and could be a challenge to her dog, who could easily in one lung pull free from a young child. Her comment was "I'll worry about that if the time comes" I tell her now I see where your daughters attitude comes from, also threw in IF that time comes and it is my dog he will get sprayed with wasp spray that could blind the dog and came back home. Now when I am on my front deck I have the wasp spray on a table right in front of me. My drive way to the road is appox. 120 feet, enough time for me to get Cody in the house before any dog could reach my deck, I am sure I would never have to use the spray, but I feel I at least gave this mother food for thought of the possibility what COULD happen if her pit got away from a young child that would not have the strength to hold back an angry pit bull. This is how ppl are raising their children, to use pit bulls as a bullying method. I LOVE Pit Bulls, beautiful animals, it is people's attitude such as this ladies, and children that hear how the parents talk that cause Pit Bulls to be banned from many housing communities.

Lord Harvington · 08-20-2016, 01:53 AM

A second person has been killed in the Uk this week by a pitbull type dog , this time a 3 year child in London.
There are not many Breeds of dog I dislike , Pitbull types are the one I'm truly wary of , even being the owner of a RAF Police dog.

matese · 08-20-2016, 03:54 AM

OMG how very,very tragic.

Lord Harvington · 08-20-2016, 04:15 AM

Very very tragic but again every time I read about these type of incidents it's caused by people having the wrong type of dog for their abilities or situation and it ends in tragedy.
I'm a new Yorkie owner hence joining this forum to learn more about the breed , but I've been brought up with German Sheppards all my life and have one as my work dog.
I know how dangerous these dogs can be if they are not trained correctly and pitbull type dogs are just the same.

Jkpal · 08-20-2016, 10:19 AM

Piper is my first Yorkie, too. I raised two German Shepherds (separately) who were both obedience trained. Both dogs were calm and well-behaved, but whenever we were approached by small children or little dogs, my girls were put in a 'down-stay' in an effort to show respect. Because even before getting my Piper-girl, I could understand how the mere difference in size could be intimidating to owners of small dogs; needless to say, I appreciate that even more now.

Lord Harvington · 08-20-2016, 10:47 AM

Sadly people under estimate the power and potential savagery of a dog , and the bigger the dog the worse it can be.
Having been taken down by a dog in training exercises I can testify it's not a pleasant experience even with the protective clothing and face masks.
With certain breeds comes far greater responsibility which many ignore.

lillymae · 08-20-2016, 01:12 PM

ANY/ALL large breed dogs have potential to be a danger. It is not the breed but the size of the dog. I know many Yorkies, Chi's, Shihtzus & so on that IF they were large dogs could/would kill someone without a doubt. Basically it boils down to 100% owner responsibility to train & socialize their pets. I would also like to add, I don't think it's EVER Ok when we are walking our little ones, to meet & greet on the sidewalk or anywhere else we may be walking our babies, with a larger dog that could cause serious damage or death to a little dog. When walking a dog, the dog feels it's responsible for the safety & well-being of not just its self but for the person walking it as well, as you ARE a pack member to that dog. Even the most docile dog can sense potential danger from another dog. Your dogs response may very well cause another dog to attack, even if the other dog originally had no plans to attack but now feels that your tiny dog is a threat to its human. So IMHO it is best to just stay clear of dogs larger then yours when on walks in whatever way possible.

08-20-2016, 01:09 AM	#24
matese Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: E.Stroudsburg, Pa. Posts: 69,269	June of this year, Cody was on front deck that is gated, I was in front of my neighbors house talking to them, I hear Cody start to bark, I look over to see why. Coming up the road are 3 young kids about 12 or 13 yo, two of the kids were walking pit bulls. Cody's bark was getting more aggressive, I RAN to my house to get Cody inside, my concern was one lung these pit bulls would get loose from these kids. As I was "fast trotting" to my house I hear one kid (a girl) say "my dog eats that for a snack" REALLY!!! I get Cody in the house, then I get in my car and follow these kids, they lived 4 house apart from each other and 10 houses past my house, I went to the house of the girl that made that comment, told the mother what the girl had said, the mother says their dog is a genital dog not a fighter, I tell her of my dogs aggressive barking and could be a challenge to her dog, who could easily in one lung pull free from a young child. Her comment was "I'll worry about that if the time comes" I tell her now I see where your daughters attitude comes from, also threw in IF that time comes and it is my dog he will get sprayed with wasp spray that could blind the dog and came back home. Now when I am on my front deck I have the wasp spray on a table right in front of me. My drive way to the road is appox. 120 feet, enough time for me to get Cody in the house before any dog could reach my deck, I am sure I would never have to use the spray, but I feel I at least gave this mother food for thought of the possibility what COULD happen if her pit got away from a young child that would not have the strength to hold back an angry pit bull. This is how ppl are raising their children, to use pit bulls as a bullying method. I LOVE Pit Bulls, beautiful animals, it is people's attitude such as this ladies, and children that hear how the parents talk that cause Pit Bulls to be banned from many housing communities. __________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog

08-20-2016, 03:54 AM	#26
matese Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: E.Stroudsburg, Pa. Posts: 69,269	OMG how very,very tragic. __________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog

08-18-2016, 05:12 AM	#17
Jkpal YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Lake Geneva, WI Posts: 2,777	I do not CARE if it is illegal. I'm with you 100%, Matese!

08-18-2016, 05:25 AM	#19
fauna YT Addict Join Date: May 2016 Location: Oregon Posts: 416	Tsk tsk I'm very sad about this incident. Poor guy he love his yorkie so much but can't imagine that he will die protecting his dog tsk tsk. That owner of the pitbull is very irresponsible we don't need to scare from dog because of this situation, every owner has their own responsibility to their dogs and that's a good key to improve their behavior and be more active on socializing. We know dogs are animal so we need to be careful and we are the one responsible for changing their behaviour. Especially to the dog that high risk aggression like pitbull.

08-20-2016, 01:53 AM	#25
Lord Harvington Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 48	A second person has been killed in the Uk this week by a pitbull type dog , this time a 3 year child in London. There are not many Breeds of dog I dislike , Pitbull types are the one I'm truly wary of , even being the owner of a RAF Police dog.

08-20-2016, 04:15 AM	#27
Lord Harvington Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 48	Very very tragic but again every time I read about these type of incidents it's caused by people having the wrong type of dog for their abilities or situation and it ends in tragedy. I'm a new Yorkie owner hence joining this forum to learn more about the breed , but I've been brought up with German Sheppards all my life and have one as my work dog. I know how dangerous these dogs can be if they are not trained correctly and pitbull type dogs are just the same.

08-20-2016, 10:19 AM	#28
Jkpal YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Lake Geneva, WI Posts: 2,777	Piper is my first Yorkie, too. I raised two German Shepherds (separately) who were both obedience trained. Both dogs were calm and well-behaved, but whenever we were approached by small children or little dogs, my girls were put in a 'down-stay' in an effort to show respect. Because even before getting my Piper-girl, I could understand how the mere difference in size could be intimidating to owners of small dogs; needless to say, I appreciate that even more now.

08-20-2016, 10:47 AM	#29
Lord Harvington Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 48	Sadly people under estimate the power and potential savagery of a dog , and the bigger the dog the worse it can be. Having been taken down by a dog in training exercises I can testify it's not a pleasant experience even with the protective clothing and face masks. With certain breeds comes far greater responsibility which many ignore.

08-20-2016, 01:12 PM	#30
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	ANY/ALL large breed dogs have potential to be a danger. It is not the breed but the size of the dog. I know many Yorkies, Chi's, Shihtzus & so on that IF they were large dogs could/would kill someone without a doubt. Basically it boils down to 100% owner responsibility to train & socialize their pets. I would also like to add, I don't think it's EVER Ok when we are walking our little ones, to meet & greet on the sidewalk or anywhere else we may be walking our babies, with a larger dog that could cause serious damage or death to a little dog. When walking a dog, the dog feels it's responsible for the safety & well-being of not just its self but for the person walking it as well, as you ARE a pack member to that dog. Even the most docile dog can sense potential danger from another dog. Your dogs response may very well cause another dog to attack, even if the other dog originally had no plans to attack but now feels that your tiny dog is a threat to its human. So IMHO it is best to just stay clear of dogs larger then yours when on walks in whatever way possible.