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Blue gumdrops · 05-31-2016, 05:06 PM

My dog is untrainable. I know everyone saids no dog is untrainable but trust me my dog is. Nothing works and I'm getting impatient. He's at the point of biting ALOT. I can't take it anymore as we all bleed and hurt from it. When he has sown thing in his mouth and we try to take it out or try to let him drop it on his own which will take up to 10 mins, he will bite us really hard and growl and squirm away. As I'm walking he bites my shoes and growls as I try to walk away. Sometimes I stand there and ignore him so he knows he's not getting any good attention from it. But that hurts too as he's biting my foot. If he's behind us he bites our ankles hard. Sometimes he just bites us for fun and as I said I can't take it anymore. I don't have the patience and it's so stressful as I have classes to worry about too. I literally can't have him with anyone because of his bad behaviors. I'm not seriously considering giving him up because I'll forever regret it but I just can't anymore and I don't know what to do. I don't know if I should go to training classes or not and how much are they? I need advice that will actually help me. And I know I'm not the only dog owner that gets annoyed and frustrated. I'm trying.

yorkiefan_ · 05-31-2016, 05:25 PM

People will strongly disagree with me, but I got Cookie to stop biting around 16 weeks by doing the alpha roll. E.g., after she'd bite, putting her on her back in a submissive position and not letting her move until she stopped trying to bite. Nothing else worked. I didn't do it violently (as Cookie is about my best friend in the world!), I just did it slowly and calmly and told her NO in a forceful (not loud though) voice. She was never anywhere near as bad as what you're describing, but she was trying to test boundaries and had to learn she wasn't in charge. I found the yelping suggestions to not work at all for me, the ignoring didn't work either. Though I saw in the other thread you got your pup at 6 weeks, so he wasn't properly trained by his mother. In my case it was important to establish that I am the alpha and not Cookie. Good luck and don't give up.

yorkiefan_ · 05-31-2016, 05:27 PM

Your pup also needs toys he can chew on and shake the crap out of. Puppies are like pendulums bouncing between limitless energy and just being crapped out and napping.

yorkiefan_ · 05-31-2016, 05:32 PM

But it's also important to have lots of quality time for bonding. I felt like training with snacks really helped build a bond. I'd teach Cookie to speak, to sit, to crawl, to put left hand up, right hand up, and so on, with small treats and lots of positive encouragement. Playing with Cookie and her toys was a must for building a relationship when I first got her. And of course lots of continued playtime still!

Marydb · 05-31-2016, 05:34 PM

Hi! I am SO glad I saw this post! I have a 17 week old female and her name is Roxie. She also bites, hands, feet, heels, etc. I am really anxious to try this technique that you talked about! Thank you!

yorkiefan_ · 05-31-2016, 05:39 PM

I have to caution Cookie was nowhere near as bad as the pup in the first post sounds; she came to me as a real love bug at 14.5 weeks (Cookie's breeder is awesome and gave her lots of attention before I got her, so Cookie was really loving and confident around me from the beginning), but at that age they just want to nip at things. But alpha roll is the only thing that stopped it for me. I only had to do it maybe five times and the painful bites stopped.

yorkiemini · 05-31-2016, 05:45 PM

You did not say how old he is. If he simple enough for a basic obedience class then I would strongly recommend that.

I also agree with a distraction chewy toy if that can help.

Good luck to you!

Does the pup get left for long periods of time?

yorkiefan_ · 05-31-2016, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemini

You did not say how old he is. If he simple enough for a basic obedience class then I would strongly recommend that.

I also agree with a distraction chewy toy if that can help.

Good luck to you!

Does the pup get left for long periods of time?

It looks like he is about 16-17 weeks from this other post.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ed-advice.html

Blue gumdrops · 05-31-2016, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiemini

You did not say how old he is. If he simple enough for a basic obedience class then I would strongly recommend that.

I also agree with a distraction chewy toy if that can help.

Good luck to you!

Does the pup get left for long periods of time?

No, I'm always home but since it's summer practically I'll be home and if I'm ever out I'll take him out. he's 16 weeks and is 17 weeks by tomorrow.

Blue gumdrops · 05-31-2016, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiefan_

People will strongly disagree with me, but I got Cookie to stop biting around 16 weeks by doing the alpha roll. E.g., after she'd bite, putting her on her back in a submissive position and not letting her move until she stopped trying to bite. Nothing else worked. I didn't do it violently (as Cookie is about my best friend in the world!), I just did it slowly and calmly and told her NO in a forceful (not loud though) voice. She was never anywhere near as bad as what you're describing, but she was trying to test boundaries and had to learn she wasn't in charge. I found the yelping suggestions to not work at all for me, the ignoring didn't work either. Though I saw in the other thread you got your pup at 6 weeks, so he wasn't properly trained by his mother. In my case it was important to establish that I am the alpha and not Cookie. Good luck and don't give up.

I just tried that because he had paper in his mouth and when I tried even petting him he bit me. This is right now. I'm bleeding now.

Yorkiemom1 · 05-31-2016, 06:10 PM

Did you invest anything in books on how to properly train your pup, what to expect from him at any given age, how to correct unacceptable behavior, what should even be CONSIDERED bad behavior at any given age, etc???? You have to know what to expect from your puppy at any given age....I can not remember but seems to me you got this baby at a young age....I apologize right now if I have you confused with someone else.....how old was the puppy when you got it?? THAT is probably the regrettable primary cause of this unfortunate situation. If this is a baby that is 12 weeks old or younger, this is normal behavior for a young puppy that has been deprived of maternal teaching and discipline. You are going to have to get schooled on the proper, effective, and acceptable methods of training this baby. You would both benefit from classes in doggie behavior and training. Get books, GOOD, valid books, that you can learn from.

As a breeder for many years, it became very evident to me that incorrigible dogs and children are BOTH products of early parental training that they have been deprived of. Puppies that have been deprived of maternal training by their mommas, will show "misbehavior" in a variety of misadventures....when you get a baby before momma has the opportunity to teach proper behavior, then it is thrust upon you to provide the baby with that corrective behavior. In order to do that effectively, you MUST know what behavior is expected and is acceptable at any given age. Have you read any acceptable books on expected behaviors considered normal at any given age? Have you read any books on training or behavior modification for your baby? You can not eradicate specific NORMAL behaviors.....you must modify NORMAL behavior at any particular age so the baby develops age appropriate behavior that is acceptable.

Professional training for both you and the baby is warranted. Well behaved dogs dont just happen....they have been modified by mommas or by trainers, or both. I think you both need professional behaviorists....you would benefit from a professional telling you that this baby's behavior is age appropriate or what needs to be done to correct it.....get the help you need....dont write this baby off as incorrigible.....if you purchased this baby before it was 12-14 weeks old, the person you bought this baby from is responsible for the deprivation in behavior learning that it never got from momma....dont blame this precious little darling, blame the person that tore it from its momma before it could be properly trained. Now, YOU must make up for the inadequate training. PATIENCE and persistance from YOU will get the best results.

Yorkiemom1 · 05-31-2016, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiefan_

People will strongly disagree with me, but I got Cookie to stop biting around 16 weeks by doing the alpha roll. E.g., after she'd bite, putting her on her back in a submissive position and not letting her move until she stopped trying to bite. Nothing else worked. I didn't do it violently (as Cookie is about my best friend in the world!), I just did it slowly and calmly and told her NO in a forceful (not loud though) voice. She was never anywhere near as bad as what you're describing, but she was trying to test boundaries and had to learn she wasn't in charge. I found the yelping suggestions to not work at all for me, the ignoring didn't work either. Though I saw in the other thread you got your pup at 6 weeks, so he wasn't properly trained by his mother. In my case it was important to establish that I am the alpha and not Cookie. Good luck and don't give up.

The fact you got this baby at 6 weeks old is the reason you are having all these issues....your baby has not had a momma to teach it how to behave. Yorkiefan has posted appropriate behavior techniques, especially for a 16 week old baby. Her technique is appropriate....that is exactly what a momma dog does to her babies....

Deviruchi · 05-31-2016, 07:15 PM

try to look for cgc trainer. they'll help you and your pup alot

pstinard · 06-01-2016, 05:31 AM

You also need to keep in mind that 16 weeks is in the middle of the age of teething. Their teeth and gums are sensitive, and biting and chewing relieves that. You can expect some biting at this age. I'm not a fan of the "alpha roll." That's a Cesar Millan thing, and his techniques are controversial at best. Our Bella was a biter at that age, and we taught her bite inhibition by saying "ouch" when she bit fingers, turned away, and gave her a soft rubbery Nylabone to chew on instead. She eventually got through the teething stage and is no longer a biter. Maybe you just need a little more time.

On the other hand, if you got your dog at 6 weeks, I agree with the others that the dog missed some important training from its mother. Maybe the "alpha roll" will be effective, or maybe the stage that it's effective is already past. I will defer to others who have experience working with dogs that were taken from their mothers at too young an age.

mybellababy · 06-01-2016, 05:52 AM

Hi I'm sorry you are having such a bad time of it. I am not a fan of the puppy stage but to get to the good stuff we have to move through it. I have to yorkies Bella is 3 and Lily is about 7 months there puppy stages were night and day different. Bella was an angel I now know LOL Lily has been a hand full. Same breeder Bella was 12 weeks when she came home and Lily was 13.

Lily bit with almost anger not a happy play bite. So I started holding her mouth closed not so hard so she couldn't breath but firm and said No Bite also firm and held it till she's calmed. Try not to be angry, stay calm. I did this every time she started to bite.

That helped the problem a great deal. Even now if her hair gets pulled in grooming her first action is to bite but most times she stops her self and I will say No Bite. She is still a puppy and I long for the adult stage LOL I now know Lilys teething stage has been painful for her with Bella we hardly know she was teething. So lots of things to chew on at any given time I have 4 or 5 different chewy thing in the cupboard for her to chew on as well as a pile of toys.

I hope this helps a bit if nothing else just to know your not alone and Its ok not to like the puppy stage but we do have to get through it LOL

05-31-2016, 05:06 PM	#1
Blue gumdrops Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Texas Posts: 16	I am on the verge of giving up my dog for adoption My dog is untrainable. I know everyone saids no dog is untrainable but trust me my dog is. Nothing works and I'm getting impatient. He's at the point of biting ALOT. I can't take it anymore as we all bleed and hurt from it. When he has sown thing in his mouth and we try to take it out or try to let him drop it on his own which will take up to 10 mins, he will bite us really hard and growl and squirm away. As I'm walking he bites my shoes and growls as I try to walk away. Sometimes I stand there and ignore him so he knows he's not getting any good attention from it. But that hurts too as he's biting my foot. If he's behind us he bites our ankles hard. Sometimes he just bites us for fun and as I said I can't take it anymore. I don't have the patience and it's so stressful as I have classes to worry about too. I literally can't have him with anyone because of his bad behaviors. I'm not seriously considering giving him up because I'll forever regret it but I just can't anymore and I don't know what to do. I don't know if I should go to training classes or not and how much are they? I need advice that will actually help me. And I know I'm not the only dog owner that gets annoyed and frustrated. I'm trying.

05-31-2016, 05:25 PM	#2
yorkiefan_ I ♥ my Cookie Monster! Donating Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,999	People will strongly disagree with me, but I got Cookie to stop biting around 16 weeks by doing the alpha roll. E.g., after she'd bite, putting her on her back in a submissive position and not letting her move until she stopped trying to bite. Nothing else worked. I didn't do it violently (as Cookie is about my best friend in the world!), I just did it slowly and calmly and told her NO in a forceful (not loud though) voice. She was never anywhere near as bad as what you're describing, but she was trying to test boundaries and had to learn she wasn't in charge. I found the yelping suggestions to not work at all for me, the ignoring didn't work either. Though I saw in the other thread you got your pup at 6 weeks, so he wasn't properly trained by his mother. In my case it was important to establish that I am the alpha and not Cookie. Good luck and don't give up. __________________ Cookie ;;; RIP Minnie Last edited by yorkiefan_; 05-31-2016 at 05:26 PM.

05-31-2016, 05:27 PM	#3
yorkiefan_ I ♥ my Cookie Monster! Donating Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,999	Your pup also needs toys he can chew on and shake the crap out of. Puppies are like pendulums bouncing between limitless energy and just being crapped out and napping. __________________ Cookie ;;; RIP Minnie

05-31-2016, 05:32 PM	#4
yorkiefan_ I ♥ my Cookie Monster! Donating Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,999	But it's also important to have lots of quality time for bonding. I felt like training with snacks really helped build a bond. I'd teach Cookie to speak, to sit, to crawl, to put left hand up, right hand up, and so on, with small treats and lots of positive encouragement. Playing with Cookie and her toys was a must for building a relationship when I first got her. And of course lots of continued playtime still! __________________ Cookie ;;; RIP Minnie Last edited by yorkiefan_; 05-31-2016 at 05:34 PM.

05-31-2016, 05:39 PM	#6
yorkiefan_ I ♥ my Cookie Monster! Donating Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,999	I have to caution Cookie was nowhere near as bad as the pup in the first post sounds; she came to me as a real love bug at 14.5 weeks (Cookie's breeder is awesome and gave her lots of attention before I got her, so Cookie was really loving and confident around me from the beginning), but at that age they just want to nip at things. But alpha roll is the only thing that stopped it for me. I only had to do it maybe five times and the painful bites stopped. __________________ Cookie ;;; RIP Minnie

05-31-2016, 05:34 PM	#5
Marydb Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Caledonia, MI Posts: 79	Hi! I am SO glad I saw this post! I have a 17 week old female and her name is Roxie. She also bites, hands, feet, heels, etc. I am really anxious to try this technique that you talked about! Thank you!

05-31-2016, 05:45 PM	#7
yorkiemini Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA Posts: 4,285	You did not say how old he is. If he simple enough for a basic obedience class then I would strongly recommend that. I also agree with a distraction chewy toy if that can help. Good luck to you! Does the pup get left for long periods of time? __________________ . Cali , and Cali's keeper and staff, Jay No, not a "mini" Yorkie - She loves to motor in her Mini Cooper car

05-31-2016, 06:10 PM	#11
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	Did you invest anything in books on how to properly train your pup, what to expect from him at any given age, how to correct unacceptable behavior, what should even be CONSIDERED bad behavior at any given age, etc???? You have to know what to expect from your puppy at any given age....I can not remember but seems to me you got this baby at a young age....I apologize right now if I have you confused with someone else.....how old was the puppy when you got it?? THAT is probably the regrettable primary cause of this unfortunate situation. If this is a baby that is 12 weeks old or younger, this is normal behavior for a young puppy that has been deprived of maternal teaching and discipline. You are going to have to get schooled on the proper, effective, and acceptable methods of training this baby. You would both benefit from classes in doggie behavior and training. Get books, GOOD, valid books, that you can learn from. As a breeder for many years, it became very evident to me that incorrigible dogs and children are BOTH products of early parental training that they have been deprived of. Puppies that have been deprived of maternal training by their mommas, will show "misbehavior" in a variety of misadventures....when you get a baby before momma has the opportunity to teach proper behavior, then it is thrust upon you to provide the baby with that corrective behavior. In order to do that effectively, you MUST know what behavior is expected and is acceptable at any given age. Have you read any acceptable books on expected behaviors considered normal at any given age? Have you read any books on training or behavior modification for your baby? You can not eradicate specific NORMAL behaviors.....you must modify NORMAL behavior at any particular age so the baby develops age appropriate behavior that is acceptable. Professional training for both you and the baby is warranted. Well behaved dogs dont just happen....they have been modified by mommas or by trainers, or both. I think you both need professional behaviorists....you would benefit from a professional telling you that this baby's behavior is age appropriate or what needs to be done to correct it.....get the help you need....dont write this baby off as incorrigible.....if you purchased this baby before it was 12-14 weeks old, the person you bought this baby from is responsible for the deprivation in behavior learning that it never got from momma....dont blame this precious little darling, blame the person that tore it from its momma before it could be properly trained. Now, YOU must make up for the inadequate training. PATIENCE and persistance from YOU will get the best results.

05-31-2016, 07:15 PM	#13
Deviruchi Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: i like to hide under things Posts: 226	try to look for cgc trainer. they'll help you and your pup alot

06-01-2016, 05:31 AM	#14
pstinard YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Urbana, IL USA Posts: 3,648	You also need to keep in mind that 16 weeks is in the middle of the age of teething. Their teeth and gums are sensitive, and biting and chewing relieves that. You can expect some biting at this age. I'm not a fan of the "alpha roll." That's a Cesar Millan thing, and his techniques are controversial at best. Our Bella was a biter at that age, and we taught her bite inhibition by saying "ouch" when she bit fingers, turned away, and gave her a soft rubbery Nylabone to chew on instead. She eventually got through the teething stage and is no longer a biter. Maybe you just need a little more time. On the other hand, if you got your dog at 6 weeks, I agree with the others that the dog missed some important training from its mother. Maybe the "alpha roll" will be effective, or maybe the stage that it's effective is already past. I will defer to others who have experience working with dogs that were taken from their mothers at too young an age.

06-01-2016, 05:52 AM	#15
mybellababy YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ontario canada Posts: 365	Hi I'm sorry you are having such a bad time of it. I am not a fan of the puppy stage but to get to the good stuff we have to move through it. I have to yorkies Bella is 3 and Lily is about 7 months there puppy stages were night and day different. Bella was an angel I now know LOL Lily has been a hand full. Same breeder Bella was 12 weeks when she came home and Lily was 13. Lily bit with almost anger not a happy play bite. So I started holding her mouth closed not so hard so she couldn't breath but firm and said No Bite also firm and held it till she's calmed. Try not to be angry, stay calm. I did this every time she started to bite. That helped the problem a great deal. Even now if her hair gets pulled in grooming her first action is to bite but most times she stops her self and I will say No Bite. She is still a puppy and I long for the adult stage LOL I now know Lilys teething stage has been painful for her with Bella we hardly know she was teething. So lots of things to chew on at any given time I have 4 or 5 different chewy thing in the cupboard for her to chew on as well as a pile of toys. I hope this helps a bit if nothing else just to know your not alone and Its ok not to like the puppy stage but we do have to get through it LOL