Breeder Shaming

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I find it offensive and ridiculous that some rescuers feel that no one should ever buy a dog from a breeder.

Not much more I can say about that.

As for breeders...yes the large majority suck but so do a lot of rescuers.

There is good and bad in everything.

This sums it up for me. No matter how noble the profession or endeavor, the title alone does not guarantee perfection or being above scrutiny. I have been shocked by the number of rescuers arrested in my county for allowing dogs to die in hot vehicles in parking lots over the last 3 years.

[capt_noonie]

Or how about people who try and succeed at getting 501c3 tax exempt status lying about being a non profit rescue? Ahem, Tanisha Brenton right? She's pretending she's a rescue now?

[scrapindee]

As a long time breeder I fully support rescues. I have rescued and rehomed several dogs over the years. There is no right answer. I'm proud of my breedings and have made many new friends. My puppies/dogs are in awesome homes with wonderful owners. All my dogs are healthy and well-loved.

If this hatred for breeders continue, there will be fewer purebred dogs to show and differentiate among the breeds. I recommend shelters all the time, when folks say my dogs are too expensive for them. I believe you get what you pay for. I speak with everyone of my buyers and many of the buyers from breeders who have quit.

And lastly, why are we importing dogs from Korea and Mexico to fill shelters and rescues? Isn't that just as bad??

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

As a long time breeder I fully support rescues. I have rescued and rehomed several dogs over the years. There is no right answer. I'm proud of my breedings and have made many new friends. My puppies/dogs are in awesome homes with wonderful owners. All my dogs are healthy and well-loved.

If this hatred for breeders continue, there will be fewer purebred dogs to show and differentiate among the breeds. I recommend shelters all the time, when folks say my dogs are too expensive for them. I believe you get what you pay for. I speak with everyone of my buyers and many of the buyers from breeders who have quit.

And lastly, why are we importing dogs from Korea and Mexico to fill shelters and rescues? Isn't that just as bad??

THAT boggles my mind. With all of the homeless pups in the US why we allow this is beyond my comprehension.

You know your friend Kiki Hamann was involved with a Korean mill and has some yorkies from there .. she came right out and said she was the spokesperson for them or something along that line. As you know, I have zero use for her and her nonsense anyway. Our rescue has been trying to place one of her ill bred pups for a while now....my understanding is that she was bred by Kiki and I was told that at least one of the parents was from that mill she was involved with. While you might say some of this is second hand, I do have a screenshot of her bragging about her involvement with them.

[DogsAreLove]

Josie and Amadeus are both from a Korean breeder. Both were "purchased" from Betty who will freely tell you that Kiki never paid for either dog. There was supposed to be a "barter" but what Betty received was used and damaged product. She is quite open about her experiences with those two. Oh and she required a no breeding agreement which was not honored

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by DogsAreLove

Josie and Amadeus are both from a Korean breeder. Both were "purchased" from Betty who will freely tell you that Kiki never paid for either dog. There was supposed to be a "barter" but what Betty received was used and damaged product. She is quite open about her experiences with those two. Oh and she required a no breeding agreement which was not honored

Not surprising. I don't know why anyone deals with those two. They are so obvious in my mind....

[Oregongirl]

You are all scaring me. I found several breeders but few who breed Yorkies. They are miles away from where I live So, I must trust that the breeder is who she says she is. I believe I have a quarante coming with my dogs, but I will check before they arrive. She has been sending me photos of the girl and the boy almost every other day. She said the dogs are so lucky to be going to a home like mine. I pray they will be healthy. Loosing my Yorking was very hard on me. Don't want to go through that again. My Vet has a program where I pay $400.00 per dog and for two years EVERYTHING is covered. Everything! I am trying to think, do I really think I will spend 800 dollars in the next 2 years on these babies. What do you think.

[Mayzoo]

Originally Posted by Oregongirl

You are all scaring me. I found several breeders but few who breed Yorkies. They are miles away from where I live So, I must trust that the breeder is who she says she is. I believe I have a quarante coming with my dogs, but I will check before they arrive. She has been sending me photos of the girl and the boy almost every other day. She said the dogs are so lucky to be going to a home like mine. I pray they will be healthy. Loosing my Yorking was very hard on me. Don't want to go through that again. My Vet has a program where I pay $400.00 per dog and for two years EVERYTHING is covered. Everything! I am trying to think, do I really think I will spend 800 dollars in the next 2 years on these babies. What do you think.

That is 33.00 a month a piece (66.00 for both dogs) and when the two years is up, you will be responsible for any/all follow up care regarding illness/injuries that arose during those two years.

I think I would go with a traditional insurance company instead. By insuring with a traditional insurance company from the start, you avoid all the pre-existing exclusions, and I believe Healthy Paws and Trupanion are both less than 33.00 a month. You may have a deductible with traditional insurance, but all issues will be covered for the entire time you are with that insurance company. Please look into traditional pet insurance first.

[capt_noonie]

I don't want anyone to misunderstand my stance on this. When given the choice of between rescue through shelter/reputable rescue organization or purchasing through website/petshop/questionable breeder, etc, I will always choose rescue. Without reputable breeders, yes we wouldn't have quality dogs, but without the bad breeders we wouldn't have a whole slew of problems.

Originally Posted by Oregongirl

You are all scaring me. I found several breeders but few who breed Yorkies. They are miles away from where I live So, I must trust that the breeder is who she says she is. I believe I have a quarante coming with my dogs, but I will check before they arrive. She has been sending me photos of the girl and the boy almost every other day. She said the dogs are so lucky to be going to a home like mine. I pray they will be healthy. Loosing my Yorking was very hard on me. Don't want to go through that again. My Vet has a program where I pay $400.00 per dog and for two years EVERYTHING is covered. Everything! I am trying to think, do I really think I will spend 800 dollars in the next 2 years on these babies. What do you think.

Is that like the plan from Banfield/Petsmart? I know from Banfield not everything is covered. It's just for shots and spay/neuter. For instance if the pup breaks a leg, it's not covered. I agree to go with traditional insurance. Anyway, $400 for two years for two dogs is insanely cheap. There has to be a catch. Buying the dog is the cheapest part of the equation. The cost of taking care of the dog is what is expensive.

Originally Posted by DogsAreLove

Josie and Amadeus are both from a Korean breeder. Both were "purchased" from Betty who will freely tell you that Kiki never paid for either dog. There was supposed to be a "barter" but what Betty received was used and damaged product. She is quite open about her experiences with those two. Oh and she required a no breeding agreement which was not honored

Who is Betty?

[DogsAreLove]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I don't want anyone to misunderstand my stance on this. When given the choice of between rescue through shelter/reputable rescue organization or purchasing through website/petshop/questionable breeder, etc, I will always choose rescue. Without reputable breeders, yes we wouldn't have quality dogs, but without the bad breeders we wouldn't have a whole slew of problems.


Is that like the plan from Banfield/Petsmart? I know from Banfield not everything is covered. It's just for shots and spay/neuter. For instance if the pup breaks a leg, it's not covered. I agree to go with traditional insurance. Anyway, $400 for two years for two dogs is insanely cheap. There has to be a catch. Buying the dog is the cheapest part of the equation. The cost of taking care of the dog is what is expensive.


Who is Betty?

Betty's Yorkies. Name is Betty Pedrum but her FB page is Joanne Betty Pauze. From her web site (see below) . she sells $50k dogs to celebs

Where do you get your puppies?

We work with a select group of licensed breeders in S. Korea. Our breeders have a consistent record of providing healthy and extremely smaller than average puppies. We screen out any breeders that don’t meet our quality of standards. We do not work with puppy mills.

[airplane]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

There are only regulations in regards to large scale breeders, i.e. puppy mills. They are inspected by the USDA.

I've never heard of the usda. I take it must be an American organization of some sorts. It does sound odd to me though that they would inspect and license large scale breeders, i.e. puppy mills, to operate. Cause by definition aren't they substandard. It's large scale and done for profit so of course it's substandard, and god knows they're not being discriminate in the breeding pairs and things of that nature. Aren't they the ones that sell to pet stores? I don't know. Maybe it helps and the usda is doing a good job.

This whole topic is quite contentious. But I stand firm on my position that there's too many people breeding and contributing to pet overpopulation, and at the same time there is not enough good quality, doing it the right way, reputable breeders out there.

[capt_noonie]

The USDA inspections on large scale breeders is not a good thing. Quite the opposite in fact. The USDA mainly inspects farms for beef, pork, and chicken. The dogs in these USDA inspected "farms" are treated as livestock.

[Oregongirl]

The cost of the Vets Plan is $400.00 for EACH dog. Then they are covered for TWO YEARS.
The insurance I found for both dogs, was more expensive. My Vet requires me to pay the bill for the dogs and submit it to the insurance company for reimbursement. In time, I would think these Vets will have an insurance person where this is all they do. But, right now, they do not wait for the check from the Insurance company and leave that up to me.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Oregongirl

The cost of the Vets Plan is $400.00 for EACH dog. Then they are covered for TWO YEARS.
The insurance I found for both dogs, was more expensive. My Vet requires me to pay the bill for the dogs and submit it to the insurance company for reimbursement. In time, I would think these Vets will have an insurance person where this is all they do. But, right now, they do not wait for the check from the Insurance company and leave that up to me.

Hopefully, in time insurance for pets will change; but yes most vets want to be paid when services are rendered.

I would want to have a very detailed list of what the vet is covering at that price. Everything covers way too much and I am quite sure everything won't be covered. Pancreatitis, fractured legs, luxating patella, torn ligaments...the list of expensive vet costs is endless. Yorkies need dental care and usually need dentals...is that covered?

[magicgenie]

Thanks to animal rights campaigning, these days society in general takes a dim view of all pure bred dogs and their breeders. People want to be on a band wagon, regardless of its mission. Anti-pure-bred dogs is right now a popular bandwagon and those of us who love the Yorkshire Terrier breed have no choice but to tough out this trend in the interests of saving the breed.
It's a pathetic state of affairs.