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SharonSnowbird 11-14-2015 02:28 PM
Question about Biewers
 
When I take my Biewer to the vet, (Lacy has seen three vets who have never heard of a Biewer) they put down "Terrier Mix" for the breed. Is this correct? Doesn't seem so to me, shouldn't it say Biewer Terrier instead of Terrier Mix? Do I need to educate the vet that a Biewer is a registered Breed? Or is Terrier Mix acceptable? I am just curious. lol

Maximo 11-14-2015 03:17 PM
I would tell the vet's office your preference. On the one hand, it's just a piece of paper at your vet's office and doesn't really make a difference in health care. But, I understand it being bothersome.

The first time I took Max to our current vet's office, the receptionist asked me to identify his breed. I said Yorkshire Terrier and she said that his ears were "enormous" so he didn't look like a Yorkie. Being a proud momma, my feelings were hurt.

SharonSnowbird 11-14-2015 03:23 PM
We are all just so proud of our pups, we want them to have their due appreciation. No one should say a Yorkie doesn't look like a Yorkie because his ears are too big, good grief.

ladyjane 11-14-2015 09:19 PM
AKC calls them Biewer Terriers. I would simply ask the vet to put that on the records.

ladyjane 11-14-2015 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SharonSnowbird (Post 4603651)
We are all just so proud of our pups, we want them to have their due appreciation. No one should say a Yorkie doesn't look like a Yorkie because his ears are too big, good grief.
Are they saying your pup is not a Biewer because his ears are too big? I am not quite following your drift....

DvlshAngel985 11-14-2015 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4603686)
Are they saying your pup is not a Biewer because his ears are too big? I am not quite following your drift....
She was replying to Kristin.

OP, I get the "he can't be a yorkie" comment all the time. I even got it once from someone here. Yorkie or not, I don't care. Kaji is my baby. As long as he's my cuddlebug baby, he could be whatever you want him to be. (Can you tell I get that comment VERY often :rolleyes:)

ladyjane 11-14-2015 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 4603691)
She was replying to Kristin.

OP, I get the "he can't be a yorkie" comment all the time. I even got it once from someone here. Yorkie or not, I don't care. Kaji is my baby. As long as he's my cuddlebug baby, he could be whatever you want him to be. (Can you tell I get that comment VERY often :rolleyes:)

Does it matter who she is replying to? I asked a question because it didn't make sense to me and I was trying to "get it". I was wondering if the vet does not know what a Biewer is or if he said he is not a Beiwer because of a certain look.

ladyjane 11-14-2015 11:04 PM
We have a lot of pups on this forum who are not yorkies. I don't see why that is a concern.

Are you all saying that a biewer is a yorkie? If so, I could see why someone might question that; but it is a topic I avoid here because it is similar to discussing religion or politics. Everyone has his/her own opinion and it leads to out of control silliness.

Bottom line...again, I love all of my pups. Purebred, mix or whatever they are and don't care what anyone calls them. None of them, nor I need any validation whatsoever.

There is not a dog alive that I think is any less or more than another. They are totally awesome

DvlshAngel985 11-15-2015 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4603692)
Does it matter who she is replying to? I asked a question because it didn't make sense to me and I was trying to "get it". I was wondering if the vet does not know what a Biewer is or if he said he is not a Beiwer because of a certain look.
I'm sorry. I simply meant the big ear reference was in reply to Kristin's comments about her pup having big ears. No slight intended.

matese 11-15-2015 06:12 AM
A Biewer is a BREED, I would insist my vet record my pup as a Biewer Terrier. Vets need to be aware there is now a NEW BREED which is known as a Biewer Terrier. Because my now passed girl weighed in as an adult at 17 lbs my vet thought she was a Silky because of her size. I told my vet her AKC papers read Yorkshire Terrier and that is what she is. I would be insulted if I owned a Biewer and my vet recorded my pup as a TERRIER MIX. If it were me, and the vet would not record my dogs proper breed I would find a vet that would, but that is just ME lol.

ladyjane 11-15-2015 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 4603701)
I'm sorry. I simply meant the big ear reference was in reply to Kristin's comments about her pup having big ears. No slight intended.
Thanks :)

Maximo 11-15-2015 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4603720)
Thanks :)
Yes, I was the one who started the big ears issue by relating the story about my vet's receptionist. She said Max didn't look like a Yorkie because his ears were too big.

I felt better immediately when I brought Max to the backroom to be weighed and the rest of the staff, including vets, turned around and squealed with delight, "Look at the Yorkie!" (we live in big dog country, so a Yorkie in full coat is a novelty)

OP Sharon, during one of our vet visits, a new tech referred to Max as "she" and "her" repeatedly. I corrected her each time and the tech replied, "With hair like that, looks like a girl."

She meant it as a funny compliment, but I didn't let it slide because to me that does speak to quality of care. If they can't get my dog's gender right, then I would worry about serious errors.


Rachael1983 11-15-2015 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4603729)
Yes, I was the one who started the big ears issue by relating the story about my vet's receptionist. She said Max didn't look like a Yorkie because his ears were too big.

I felt better immediately when I brought Max to the backroom to be weighed and the rest of the staff, including vets, turned around and squealed with delight, "Look at the Yorkie!" (we live in big dog country, so a Yorkie in full coat is a novelty)

OP Sharon, during one of our vet visits, a new tech referred to Max as "she" and "her" repeatedly. I corrected her each time and the tech replied, "With hair like that, looks like a girl."

She meant it as a funny compliment, but I didn't let it slide because to me that does speak to quality of care. If they can't get my dog's gender right, then I would worry about serious errors.
I think that's funny Kristin! I keep Emma in a long coat because she looks so pretty. When I had Troy in long coat I was sure to always have him in blue because people would confuse him with a girl.


To the OP, I think it'll all come in time with the training and your sanity will return.

DvlshAngel985 11-15-2015 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4603729)
Yes, I was the one who started the big ears issue by relating the story about my vet's receptionist. She said Max didn't look like a Yorkie because his ears were too big.

I felt better immediately when I brought Max to the backroom to be weighed and the rest of the staff, including vets, turned around and squealed with delight, "Look at the Yorkie!" (we live in big dog country, so a Yorkie in full coat is a novelty)

OP Sharon, during one of our vet visits, a new tech referred to Max as "she" and "her" repeatedly. I corrected her each time and the tech replied, "With hair like that, looks like a girl."

She meant it as a funny compliment, but I didn't let it slide because to me that does speak to quality of care. If they can't get my dog's gender right, then I would worry about serious errors.
You're a much bigger person than I am. The gender thing is the only thing that I don't let slide. I have no idea why it bugs me so much, it just does. Kaji gets called a she even with short hair. :rolleyes: Knowing me I would have said something nasty back at that comment.

ladyjane 11-15-2015 08:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4603729)
Yes, I was the one who started the big ears issue by relating the story about my vet's receptionist. She said Max didn't look like a Yorkie because his ears were too big.

I felt better immediately when I brought Max to the backroom to be weighed and the rest of the staff, including vets, turned around and squealed with delight, "Look at the Yorkie!" (we live in big dog country, so a Yorkie in full coat is a novelty)

OP Sharon, during one of our vet visits, a new tech referred to Max as "she" and "her" repeatedly. I corrected her each time and the tech replied, "With hair like that, looks like a girl."

She meant it as a funny compliment, but I didn't let it slide because to me that does speak to quality of care. If they can't get my dog's gender right, then I would worry about serious errors.
LOL leave it to you to start stuff. :p

But yeah, they should know gender even if our boys look a bit feminine. :D

ladyjane 11-15-2015 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 4603742)
You're a much bigger person than I am. The gender thing is the only thing that I don't let slide. I have no idea why it bugs me so much, it just does. Kaji gets called a she even with short hair. :rolleyes: Knowing me I would have said something nasty back at that comment.
I always ask people....I don't even call a baby a he or she unless I know fo sure. People just don't think.

Maximo 11-15-2015 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 4603742)
You're a much bigger person than I am. The gender thing is the only thing that I don't let slide. I have no idea why it bugs me so much, it just does. Kaji gets called a she even with short hair. :rolleyes: Knowing me I would have said something nasty back at that comment.
Teddy sympathizes with Kaji. Everyone thinks he is a girl, even when I have him in boyish things and colors. Part of it might be that the person has only had female dogs or has been around mostly female dogs -- I was that way. Most of my life, no one I knew had male dogs

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4603754)
I always ask people....I don't even call a baby a he or she unless I know for sure. People just don't think.
:thumbup::thumbup:

P.S. Yes, I am always starting something. :p

ladyjane 11-15-2015 08:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 4603742)
You're a much bigger person than I am. The gender thing is the only thing that I don't let slide. I have no idea why it bugs me so much, it just does. Kaji gets called a she even with short hair. :rolleyes: Knowing me I would have said something nasty back at that comment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4603757)
Teddy sympathizes with Kaji. Everyone thinks he is a girl, even when I have him in boyish things and colors. Part of it might be that the person has only had female dogs or has been around mostly female dogs -- I was that way. Most of my life, no one I knew had male dogs

:thumbup::thumbup:
My George was always mistaken for a girl and Armani gets it all the time and now with Pippi's hair shorter...she is a boy unless she is dressed. :rolleyes:
I am just so used to it that I simply advise the person of the sex...sometimes I don't even do that. Not people I am going to see again anyway. Now vet and vet techs? Uh, yeah they should know who they are seeing.

Jkpal 11-15-2015 01:44 PM
Piper wears metal ties (as in menswear) and a little rhinestone bowtie with certain sweaters cuz I just think she looks sooo danged cute in 'em. And sure enough, my little girl, who is rather a tomboy, gets the cute little fella comments! I like to think she's just well-rounded and in touch with both her feminine and masculine side...yeah, right!!

scrapindee 11-15-2015 09:21 PM
The puppy you received from the breeder in Washington only breeds Biewers.

Biewer Terriers are from one particular group of breeders who call them BT. BT believe their dogs are from a mix of dogs

90% of the breeders breed Biewers not BT. Kathy registers her dogs as Biewers. Biewers are not a mixed breed. I have introduced many a vet to Biewers and their standard. If you own or buy a rare breed dog, I believe it is your responsibility to educate your vet. Just because they haven't heard of a Biewer, doesn't give them the right to mislabel the dog or identity it as a mixed terrier.

SharonSnowbird 11-16-2015 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 4603830)
The puppy you received from the breeder in Washington only breeds Biewers.

Biewer Terriers are from one particular group of breeders who call them BT. BT believe their dogs are from a mix of dogs

90% of the breeders breed Biewers not BT. Kathy registers her dogs as Biewers. Biewers are not a mixed breed. I have introduced many a vet to Biewers and their standard. If you own or buy a rare breed dog, I believe it is your responsibility to educate your vet. Just because they haven't heard of a Biewer, doesn't give them the right to mislabel the dog or identity it as a mixed terrier.
Thanks, Dee, but don't quite understand your statements - BT believe their dogs are from a mix of dogs. What does BT stand for? Biewer Terrier? Does that mean that they are only supposed to be called Biewers, and not Biewer Terriers? Even the AKC calls them Biewer Terriers. I am confused. Not difficult for me to be these last few days. lol

I appreciate you letting me know that I need to educate the vets that she is not a mixed breed. I will do that. I will find something on the web that I can copy and give to them. Thanks!

SharonSnowbird 11-16-2015 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by matese (Post 4603714)
A Biewer is a BREED, I would insist my vet record my pup as a Biewer Terrier. Vets need to be aware there is now a NEW BREED which is known as a Biewer Terrier. Because my now passed girl weighed in as an adult at 17 lbs my vet thought she was a Silky because of her size. I told my vet her AKC papers read Yorkshire Terrier and that is what she is. I would be insulted if I owned a Biewer and my vet recorded my pup as a TERRIER MIX. If it were me, and the vet would not record my dogs proper breed I would find a vet that would, but that is just ME lol.
Thanks Joan, I agree with you! I will ask that they put Biewer Terrier instead of Terrier Mix on Lacy's records.

scrapindee 11-16-2015 02:19 PM
BT is Biewer Terrier. Kathy doesn't sell Biewer Terriers. She sells Biewers. Verbage is important.

I'm hoping Lacy is feeling better soon.

SharonSnowbird 11-16-2015 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 4604035)
BT is Biewer Terrier. Kathy doesn't sell Biewer Terriers. She sells Biewers. Verbage is important.

I'm hoping Lacy is feeling better soon.
Oaky, I am TOTALLY at a loss for understanding this. But it has been a very stressful week, so please forgive me. What on earth is the difference between Biewers and Biewer Terriers? That is VERY confusing. Sorry, is is it just me who doesn't understand this? Is my mind completely frazzled with the stress of the last few weeks? When I searched the web for Biewers, I think most sites said Biewer terriers. I would just like to understand all this, as I have a biewer and would like to know everything I can about them. Can you direct me to a article that explains all this? Thank you so much!

matese 11-16-2015 05:41 PM
I am now confused also lol, so a Biewer is not in the family of terriers.

Parti Peanut 11-16-2015 06:11 PM
This website has a lot of information on Biewers and Parti Yorkies. http://www.snowblueyorkies.com/parti...difference.htm This makes sense to me as to how the color came about. What do you all think? There are several pages of information if you go to her home page as well.

SharonSnowbird 11-16-2015 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Parti Peanut (Post 4604070)
This website has a lot of information on Biewers and Parti Yorkies. http://www.snowblueyorkies.com/parti...difference.htm This makes sense to me as to how the color came about. What do you all think? There are several pages of information if you go to her home page as well.
Thanks for the link to the article, I just read it. Unfortunately, I do not see a date as to when it was written. In part, it states, "The Parti yorkshire terriers are AKC registered and the Biewers are not , AKC considers them both yorkies and not a rare breed as the Biewer Breeders have portrayed them."

But I believe that 2 years ago, the AKC accepted the Bewier as a separate breed, is that not correct?

Parti Peanut 11-16-2015 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SharonSnowbird (Post 4604074)
Thanks for the link to the article, I just read it. Unfortunately, I do not see a date as to when it was written. In part, it states, "The Parti yorkshire terriers are AKC registered and the Biewers are not , AKC considers them both yorkies and not a rare breed as the Biewer Breeders have portrayed them."

But I believe that 2 years ago, the AKC accepted the Bewier as a separate breed, is that not correct?
From what I have read, the AKC has recognised the Biewer Terrier as a new breed under their FSS program (foundation stock). If these are descended from 2 purebred Yorkshire Terriers as per Mrs Biewer how can they be a new breed? If they are indeed a new breed then they were originally a mix of 2 or more breeds and not descended from 2 purebred Yorkshire Terriers. Confusing, isn't it?

SharonSnowbird 11-16-2015 07:59 PM
Is the Biewer recognized by the AKC?
In May of 2014, the AKC’s FSS division provisionally accepted the "Biewer Terrier" as a new breed. Here is the statement AKC provided about the “Biewer Terrier” on their website.
"The Biewer Terrier is being recorded in the AKC Foundation Stock Service® -

So what exactly does that mean???

Parti Peanut 11-16-2015 08:22 PM
I think it means they are recognised as a new breed but not fully accredited by the AKC. From what I understand, they can't compete in AKC conformation shows yet. I'm sure the Biewer Terrier Breeders on the forum will be able to better explain this to us.


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