Thanks to you I found this out. Did not know there was a difference, now I do and I have you to thank for that.

Always glad to help.

Sharon that is a good start to potty training.

We had a huge free-for-all on Yorkietalk a couple of years ago on the differences between Biewers, Biewer Terriers, and Parti-colored Yorkies here: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...vs-biewer.html. I believe that they are all related in some way or another in the distant past and that they are definitely not purebred Yorkshire Terriers. I've learned to let people call them what they want to call them :D.

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Nice to see you Phil! ;):)

This Biewer vs Biewer Terrier debate has me scratching my chin, first off I love the look of these little black and white pups with the long fluffy tails, someday I might own one and it will not matter to me if it is considered a terrier or not. But I can't help but wonder since they were supposed to have originated from Yorkshire terrier how they can not be terriers. If you read about the origins of the breed passed down from the man with the same last name, they came from off colored Yorkshire Terriers, not able to be shown.............. then there is more than just speculation that another breed was somehow involved, if not I think it would be hard to consistently get black, white and tan dogs because the piebold gene which is recessive in yorkies would not keep presenting itself, and if it did there must have been an awful lot of inbreeding originating from that first pair that Mr. Biewer had. But don't believe me, here is an excerpt from what one of the breed club has to say. But if someone can explain how you can have some Biewers that are terriers and some that are not I would sure love to see it explained.

The Biewer, pronounced (Beeva) originated in Hunsruck, Germany in 1984. After raising and showing Yorkshire Terriers for 20 years, Werner & Gertrude Biewer created the first Biewer through the occurrence of a recessive piebald gene in their Yorkshire Terriers. "Darling von Friedheck" and Fru Fru von Friedheck" were the original pair used to begin the Biewer foundation stock.

Both dogs were blue and tan and world youth winners in 1981 at Dortmund. Their mating produced the first blue, white, and gold Biewer, "Schneeflocken von Freidheck", born in January of 1984. Through selective breeding, the couple continued to reproduce the signature head piece with all three colors, blue/black, white, and gold in good symmetry. The belly, chest, legs, and tip of the tail were characteristically white and silky, not curly. The tail meant to be full. The back colored blue/black with white in it. The Yorkshire Terriers that produced the Biewer originated from the Streamglen Kennel.

There is some speculation, although not substantiated, that an accidental crossbreeding may have occurred in this kennel that did not show up until many generations later through Mr. Biewer’s dogs. Mr. and Mrs. Biewer had 4 Yorkies from Steamglen, two of which produced the tri-colored dog.

Mr. Biewer first introduced his tri-colored dogs to the show ring in March of 1988 at Wiesbaden, Germany. He presented two dogs and called them Black and White Yorkshire Terriers. The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs being a breed of their own. Instead, they were designated as being “the wrong color, not for breeding”. Mr. Biewer was unhappy with this decision and began his search for a registry that would accept his beloved dogs as a separate breed. The ACH (Allgemeiner Club der Hundefreunde Deutschland e.V.) was the first club to accept them as a distinct and separate breed. The dogs were then registered as Biewer Yorkshire a’ la Pom Pon.

The name “a’ la Pom Pon” came from a unique story. While dining one evening, the husband of singer Margot Eskens presented his wife with a Biewer Yorkshire puppy on a platter as a gift. The phrase “a’ la Pom Pon” is French and translates “a tassel or colorful ball of yarn”, which described the puppy’s hair perfectly Biewer Breed History - Biewer Breed Club Of America

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Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 4604937) This Biewer vs Biewer Terrier debate has me scratching my chin, first off I love the look of these little black and white pups with the long fluffy tails, someday I might own one and it will not matter to me if it is considered a terrier or not. But I can't help but wonder since they were supposed to have originated from Yorkshire terrier how they can not be terriers. If you read about the origins of the breed passed down from the man with the same last name, they came from off colored Yorkshire Terriers, not able to be shown.............. then there is more than just speculation that another breed was somehow involved, if not I think it would be hard to consistently get black, white and tan dogs because the piebold gene which is recessive in yorkies would not keep presenting itself, and if it did there must have been an awful lot of inbreeding originating from that first pair that Mr. Biewer had. But don't believe me, here is an excerpt from what one of the breed club has to say. But if someone can explain how you can have some Biewers that are terriers and some that are not I would sure love to see it explained.

lol thank goodness i am not the only one still confused regarding Biewers not being terriers when they originated from yorkies lol.

Oh goodness.....here we go again I bet. I certainly hope not...this can be such a controversial subject here on YT. If you click on the link Pstinard posted you can see one of them....if it starts up again,
I will be here .............> :hide2:

And, in the end, I think you will still be confused. LOL

Hi Phil nice to see you, the Biewer and Biewer "terrier" has tweaked my curiosity, it is a beautiful dog as is the Parti yorkie. Thanks for this link I will read it later today. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours in case we do not see you before then.

lol, I probably will be, Biewer, Biewer "terrier",Parti yorkie are all just BEAUTIFUL dogs. I will read the link Phil has provided.

THAT is the most perplexing question of all! :confused:
I would love to have that explained myself.

Make sure you set aside a lot of time:D Even the breeders of Biewers do not agree on things like should you breed Biewer to Biewer, what type of other breed if any was added and if so when and what and by who. I believe that must be why there are two groups.

I also have a hard time believing what they said on the other thread about telling by personality traits, I know a bunch through my meet up groups and just like yorkies they vary dog to dog, owner to owner. Personally I have had over the top feisty yorkies and some that were almost like a stuffed animal that peed and pooped. I have seen lots and lots of timid yorkies, as well as feisty take on the world type. I honestly don't think that the personality between say Biewer, a Biewer Terrier, or a Parti Yorkie is all that different, it depends on the individual dog.

There is a lot of Yorkshire Terrier in them to be sure, so I would definitely call them terriers. Wisdom Panel took a look at the DNA of a subset of Biewers (now called the Biewer Terriers) and found a lot of Yorkie DNA in them, with DNA from a few other breeds mixed in as well. The Biewer Terriers that were tested were different enough from Yorkshire Terriers, and showed enough similarities among them, that the American Kennel Club admitted the Biewer Terrier into its Foundation Stock program as a distinct breed. Biewer Terriers must be maintained by breeding them with other Biewer Terriers.

Some (but not all) people breed Biewers and Parti-colored Yorkies by crossing them to regular Yorkshire Terriers and then re-extracting the piebald trait out in later generations. Those are different from Biewer Terriers, and are more likely to have similarities to Yorkshire Terriers, since they have been bred to them. But they are all terriers.

Happy Thanksgiving! Sorry I haven't been around YorkieTalk more. I've been busy with work. I'll try to look in more often.

Hi Phil, good to see you. Been awhile.

Bottom line for me is the dog purebred or a mixed breed (mutt?)? 90+% don't think they are a mixed breed. They have to be mixed breed to be considered by AKC. Most Biewer breeders don't care about AKC.

The different registries provide pedigrees denoting which breed you are representing.

All dog breeds originally were mixed breed dogs. It is just generations of breeding in the characteristics that were desired that developed a particular breed. If you will look at any particular breed ( I'll use Cocker Spaniels as an example as years ago I used to raise and show them) they continue to evolve and change even now. Champion Cockers from years ago wouldn't stand a chance in the show ring today. Just saying.

All I can say on the topic of mixing breeds is that anyone who does it should be required to spend a couple of weeks in a shelter here in the Houston area or any other area with a high population.

I personally think at this point we have enough dog breeds and need to start focusing on responsible pet ownership with what we already have.

I am not against breeding responsibly ..what I think honestly is that the responsible thing to do at this point is looking at the greater good of animals rather than encouraging the public to look for all the different sizes and colors.

Just sayin' and I know it will ruffle some feathers...I hope not, but I do know the reality of it all. It is a terrible world for animals.

I remember a post years back where people were saying that you don't see the Biewers and I think Partis in shelters. We have since seen that to be an erroneous prediction. I personally had to hold a precious Biewer puppy in my arms as we assisted her to Rainbow Bridge one day...with her kissing me as she parted. I will never forget her precious face and we would have spent any amount of money to save her but her congenita l condition was so rare and not repairable...she was suffering.We called every possible specialist and she was in ICU so all the stops were pulled out. I get sick today when I walk past her picture hanging on my wall and it makes me sick to type this about her. Poor angel never had a chance for a good life. :( RIP Mindy .. precious angel

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Please, please if you comment about this...don't comment on the breeder the breeding or anything of that nature regarding precious Mindy. I am merely posting it for food for thought about all the breeding and the lack of a need for new breeds IMHO.

Now I suppose I should go where I said in my previous post.

I'm not saying that mixing breeds is OK. Just stating a fact. Yes, there are too many dogs and too few responsible dog owners in this world. I totally agree with you LadyJane. All three of my dogs are rehomes (different reasons why the original owners couldn't keep them). They are now in their forever home and I wouldn't take a million dollars for any one of them.

Oh, I didn't take you post to mean that at all. It was just that with the way it might turn here, I wanted people to just think about the big picture.

I love all pups....and like you would not take any money for any of mine and one is a mix. I fall for their personalities more than their looks. Each one is definitely and individual just like people...only the pups know about unconditional love unlike us humans. They are easier to love imo. :D

I just hate so much what is happening and it just gets worse each year it seems. Depressing.

Just recently, going back through 20-some-odd years of paperwork, I re-discovered paperwork I never realized I "lost." It was so precious—early photos from my first Yorkie, first vaccine records, etc. You are so correct—it's so exciting...picking up the new one and forgetting all the questions to ask. But, still knowing, she or he is yours. My first Yorkie ran down a driveway, right up my body and into my arms—never, ever did he do it again as long as he lived—even though I tried to get him to do it! But he was loved and HE loved more than any other ever loved or could be loved again!
You didn't do anything wrong, not asking the right questions at the time; I'm sure you could ask questions later; I was always able to do so.

Some education by the breeder prior to adoption would have prevented so much of all of it.

I just tell people schatzi is a German Yorkie...lol


They typically originated from Germany, google it and you can read all about it...


Schatzi just had her tubs tied and the vet reception did ask me what her breed was....I have no problem letting people know what she is...

Beiwer
 

I really consider a Beiwer a tri color Yorkie or coming from a Pie bald gene, which is how it was bred from that recessive gene. It may have some temperament differences, but they came from Yorkies. When people ask and don' t know what a Beiwer a terrier is, that is how I explain it. The face , ears, features are defiantly Yorkie with some white thrown in and a long tail..love it.

How ridiculous!

I can relate. I had been going to my vet in texas for about 2 years (I live in Tennessee now) and I was going to be flying to see my family for Christmas. My Capone was going to be flying with me for the first time ever, so I was a little nervous and wanted to get him some anti-anxiety medicine for the flight. when I got to the airport and was about to give him his medicine, I noticed on the bottle it said " Yorkshire Terrier Mix". Um mix????? I was insulted because I had been going there for two years and he's registered, like why would they think he's a mix? Needless to say as soon as I landed I called the vets office and had the error fixed.

I have Biewers so I know what you are saying. I hear Yorkie mix all the time.