about coming

[kikil]

I don't keep her on a leash in the house. just till we get in the room where I want to let her off her leash. I don't want to have her on the leash in the house all the time either since she don't come. but that could be the next thing might have to happen. but I am not to sure yet.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by Maximo

I practice with my boys by calling them to me and just saying hello, or a quick kiss and praise. That way they won't associate "come" with being captured to do things they may not want to do.

Teddy is great, but I have to admit that Max likes to play hard to get. He will come, but stands just far enough away to still have things on his terms. We established a place that he has to come to -- a doggy bed in the kitchen. I used the bed to carry him to my bedroom at night and called it "the boat." So when I want Max to come, I say "get in the boat." Strange, but it works.

Try designating a little carpet mat or something else so your pup knows the spot. Practice come and sit on the mat with yummy rewards.

Well she is a hard head little one. she will come so far and stop just like ur little one does. I never thought of using a mat or something to get her to come on. but part of me don't think that going to work either. but till I try it we will never know what will work or not.

[kikil]

At time she make it hard for us to do anything with her since she run and hide. lot of the time she go and hide under the bed and it's hard to get her out from under there. but of the time I just let her stay under there till she is ready to come out on her own. I just got tired of yelling or trying things to get her out. I am tired of other people yell her name to come out. just let her do what she want on that and she will come out. but lot of the time with anything else she wants it her way or nothing at all. but she can't have it her way.

[yorkietalkjilly]

It can't be "not working" yet as all you are supposed to be doing the first couple of weeks or so is sitting with your dog in your lap or in front or beside you, saying "Come" and feeding the dog chicken the moment you get the word out of your mouth! That's all you do for two weeks. There's nothing to "work" yet except your dog mentally learning to associate that word "come" with an instant, wonderful reward for the next two weeks of her life. After a couple of weeks of that over-and-over, repetitive training in short 10 - 15 episode sessions 2 or 3 times a day, only THEN do you move her a couple of feet away and repeat the training over and over and over until she's moving to you in order to get her treat every time you say "Come" - but that step is two weeks off.

Just slow down - you are rushing things way too fast and not giving her time to slowly absorb/associate things before you move move on, confusing her, expecting far too much. Just say "come" and feed her luscious, warm chicken x10 two or three times a day for the next two weeks while she's in your lap or right next to you.

Deep breath, back up, slow way, way down and just do the training as suggested and unless you are the least successful dog trainer on the planet, or your dog is ill/hurting, badly distracted with kids or other dogs playing in the room or scared/ distrustful of you from past experiences, I guarantee you she'll "get it" one day soon and begin to understand that "come" means chicken in her mouth. That's all you want to teach her for the next two weeks.

That's the beginning of training "come" for the very hard-to-train dog or someone with few dog-handling skills - a not uncommon situation now days with people with multiple jobs, busy families and homes to care for, hectic lives and everyone always on the go. It's a lot more common than most think - we're no longer raised on farms with many dogs, learning instinctively all about dogs as we grow up.

I'll bet you that once you learn to slow yourself down and really teach this dog how to associate "come" with a wonderful reward - an instant piece of warm chicken in her mouth - in the next two weeks, she'll finally be ready for the next step. Don't despair!

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

It can't be "not working" yet as all you are supposed to be doing the first couple of weeks or so is sitting with your dog in your lap or in front or beside you, saying "Come" and feeding the dog chicken the moment you get the word out of your mouth! That's all you do for two weeks. There's nothing to "work" yet except your dog mentally learning to associate that word "come" with an instant, wonderful reward for the next two weeks of her life. After a couple of weeks of that over-and-over, repetitive training in short 10 - 15 episode sessions 2 or 3 times a day, only THEN do you move her a couple of feet away and repeat the training over and over and over until she's moving to you in order to get her treat every time you say "Come" - but that step is two weeks off.

Just slow down - you are rushing things way too fast and not giving her time to slowly absorb/associate things before you move move on, confusing her, expecting far too much. Just say "come" and feed her luscious, warm chicken x10 two or three times a day for the next two weeks while she's in your lap or right next to you.

Deep breath, back up, slow way, way down and just do the training as suggested and unless you are the least successful dog trainer on the planet, or your dog is ill/hurting, badly distracted with kids or other dogs playing in the room or scared/ distrustful of you from past experiences, I guarantee you she'll "get it" one day soon and begin to understand that "come" means chicken in her mouth. That's all you want to teach her for the next two weeks.

That's the beginning of training "come" for the very hard-to-train dog or someone with few dog-handling skills - a not uncommon situation now days with people with multiple jobs, busy families and homes to care for, hectic lives and everyone always on the go. It's a lot more common than most think - we're no longer raised on farms with many dogs, learning instinctively all about dogs as we grow up.

I'll bet you that once you learn to slow yourself down and really teach this dog how to associate "come" with a wonderful reward - an instant piece of warm chicken in her mouth - in the next two weeks, she'll finally be ready for the next step. Don't despair!

I know it should work. but at time it seem like it's not working. but she just does what she want and she think she is the boss not me. I am trying to take things slow. but sometime it's hard to wait since she been trying to learn this since we got her. and that's been over 3 years now. we got her in Oct. 2011 and she almost 4 year old. you would think that she would have learned it by now wouldn't you. but she is a very hard head little dog. but then again most of my family is hard head too. so she come by that.


But she will do some other things from time to time. she will do a site when she want to and a down. a down can be a little hard for her at time too. but I am not worried to much about that or even the site. just the come is what I am more worried about. I just don't want her to get hurt when she does things her way.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

It can't be "not working" yet as all you are supposed to be doing the first couple of weeks or so is sitting with your dog in your lap or in front or beside you, saying "Come" and feeding the dog chicken the moment you get the word out of your mouth! That's all you do for two weeks. There's nothing to "work" yet except your dog mentally learning to associate that word "come" with an instant, wonderful reward for the next two weeks of her life. After a couple of weeks of that over-and-over, repetitive training in short 10 - 15 episode sessions 2 or 3 times a day, only THEN do you move her a couple of feet away and repeat the training over and over and over until she's moving to you in order to get her treat every time you say "Come" - but that step is two weeks off.
Just slow down - you are rushing things way too fast and not giving her time to slowly absorb/associate things before you move move on, confusing her, expecting far too much. Just say "come" and feed her luscious, warm chicken x10 two or three times a day for the next two weeks while she's in your lap or right next to you.
Deep breath, back up, slow way, way down and just do the training as suggested and unless you are the least successful dog trainer on the planet, or your dog is ill/hurting, badly distracted with kids or other dogs playing in the room or scared/ distrustful of you from past experiences, I guarantee you she'll "get it" one day soon and begin to understand that "come" means chicken in her mouth. That's all you want to teach her for the next two weeks.
That's the beginning of training "come" for the very hard-to-train dog or someone with few dog-handling skills - a not uncommon situation now days with people with multiple jobs, busy families and homes to care for, hectic lives and everyone always on the go. It's a lot more common than most think - we're no longer raised on farms with many dogs, learning instinctively all about dogs as we grow up.
I'll bet you that once you learn to slow yourself down and really teach this dog how to associate "come" with a wonderful reward - an instant piece of warm chicken in her mouth - in the next two weeks, she'll finally be ready for the next step. Don't despair!

I know it should work. but at time it seem like it's not working. but she just does what she want and she think she is the boss not me. I am trying to take things slow. but sometime it's hard to wait since she been trying to learn this since we got her. and that's been over 3 years now. we got her in Oct. 2011 and she almost 4 year old. you would think that she would have learned it by now wouldn't you. but she is a very hard head little dog. but then again most of my family is hard head too. so she come by that.

But she will do some other things from time to time. she will do a site when she want to and a down. a down can be a little hard for her at time too. but I am not worried to much about that or even the site. just the come is what I am more worried about. I just don't want her to get hurt when she does things her way.
If I take her for her walk before we do the other training would that help out any. I was thinking of trying that and see what she would do. but I don't know if her been tired from a walk would help or not. some people say work with them when they are kind of tired and they work better I think I hear something like that. but I just don't know any more. but I will try to take it slow and see what happen. a few mines everyday close to me and see what happen. I just hope she will get it one of this days. she is so hard head. at time it seem she more into my dad and want to fall him around. but he not her mother just a grandparent to her. she need to listen to me first since I am with her more and them my mom and the last one she should listen to is my dad. but when he take her off the bed or anything she is sitting or laying on. she does look at me to see if I am ok with her getting down and going with him. since I did get on to her for getting down without asking me if it was ok. that's the only thing that I can think of her listening to me on that I can remember of. but there might be a little more she might do but I can't think of them right off hand.
I am just so scared something going to happen to her one of this day's from not coming to me. I got to not worry about it but I can't help it. she know it bother me and it getting to her. what do you think. just have to wait it out and see what happen after working with her for a few weeks.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Just say "Come" and instantly feed her chicken for 10 times two or three times a week while she's very close to you for the next two weeks and she will learn that the word "come" means a reward - that's all you need to worry about for now.

[kikil]

I will try my best at it. but she will think she the boss and just lay there and act like she don't hear me. but I am not saying I am not going to try it. I know it sound like I am not going to do this. but I am going to try my best at it and see what she does do after a few days of trying it.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by kikil

I will try my best at it. but she will think she the boss and just lay there and act like she don't hear me. but I am not saying I am not going to try it. I know it sound like I am not going to do this. but I am going to try my best at it and see what she does do after a few days of trying it.

Here's my opinion - take it or leave it for what it's worth and if I'm wrong, I apologize for the misread but on a forum, there's not much information to work with. But here's what it seems like is going on to me after reading your posts:

Your dog hasn't been learning because you've obviously been rushing her, expecting far too much too soon, getting frustrated with her because you don't understand the basic concepts of dog training - short, easy, repetitive steps over and over until the dog makes simple associations in her mind that are drummed in there with many, many, many repetitions. Patience in dog training is an absolute requirement. Unbelievable patience as you repeat, repeat, repeat the same thing over and over endlessly, all the while keeping it fun and encouraging! From reading your past posts, I rather doubt you commit to every single short training session - the second or even third - every single day do you, for the whole two weeks, do you? Don't feel bad, most don't and that's why we've so many untrained dogs.

You've got to commit yourself to the whole program if you really want a trained dog. But the episodes are so short and easy, it's not hard to do! And further, it seems like you think the problem is with your dog. It's not - it's with you. In a normal, healthy dog, it's always up to the trainer when a dog doesn't learn. Trust me, we've all been there.

So, here's the thing, if you let her meal be two or three hours late the first two or three days of training, so that she's really hungry, and you prepare a boiled chicken breast in the kitchen with all those smells wafting through the house so that your hungry dog smells them the whole time its cooking, cool the chicken, tear it into pieces, 10 or so of which you put in your treat pouch and take into a quiet room with no distractions, she will follow you with an intensity that is anything but bored. The, 10 "comes" with 10 instant treats and you're done. Praise her in a high, squeaky voice, release her and go about your business until the next session later that day. My first few days of training a new command, I always have 3 very short training episodes and then cut it to 2 a day.

But know this - when you sit down and place her in front of you and say "Come" and stick a piece of meat instantly in her mouth - SHE WILL BE LISTENING and focusing on YOU. Why? Because she wants the food. Guarantee it. And for the next "Come" you speak and instant treat and on and on for the next 10 bites, she will be raptly listening especially as she begins to understand that when you say that word, she gets food! But here's the thing, you need to repeat that same training episode in another 6 - 10 hours that day. And the next day and the next and on and on for the whole two weeks - at least two training episodes twice each day. Now, feed her the rest of her late meal that she was late getting these first two or three days of training and refrigerate the rest of the chicken breast for the next training session.

By Day 3 or 4, she will absolutely come to understand that as soon as you say "come", that meat instantly is stuck in her mouth and she will begin to LEARN in her brain that "come" equals instant food reward. She'll come to love hearing the word "come". That's all you two need to do for two weeks - let her LEARN by simple repetition and association that "come" means instant food reward and that this is a fun thing to do.

If she's hungry enough the first two or three days of this teaching sessions and you are in a quiet room without other distractions and you actually keep the training up for up 2 or 3 sessions a day for two whole weeks - that's at least 48 training sessions in two weeks(this is where most dog trainers fail - the endless, CONSISTENT, repetitious training sessions), she will LEARN to associate the two things in her brain - "come" with the food reward. And, she will LEARN it well - but not if you rush her.

Dogs don't learn by us just speaking a command and showing them what to do a few times and they somehow just know what to do because we've showed them five or ten times. No, they learn by steps, step-by-step, using endless repetition and association of doing something for a reward and doing that one step over and over and over and over and over for days or weeks, beginning with the easiest part first and then as they LEARN that step very, very, very well, only then do you go to the next step of the command you want them to ultimately do.

And another thing - if you don't show a positive, "can-do" leadership side of yourself to your dog but start out thinking she can't learn, she will sense your defeatism and fail to apply herself. Dogs only work hard for amped up, fun trainers who believe in them and are 101% invested in their training and speak their commands in happy, upbeat voices that make them want to learn what it is that you are trying to communicate to them because you make it seem exciting and like a fun game. No barking out commands, speak them with a big smile in your voice and engage that dog in the fun.

You may not have been a skilled dog trainer in the past but you can absolutely learn how to be a good one now - a trainer your dog loves to work for. So boost yourself up, go into teacher mode and be ready to learn how smart your dog actually is and sit back and watch things begin to turn around with you two and teaching her obedience. And the thing about it is, as you teach your dog, she begins to respect you more and more, actually listening to things you say, trying hard to interpret what it is you want rather than just ignoring you as a hopeless communicator. You will love how smart your really dog is once you learn how to connect with her, train her properly and corral unreal expectations.

[Jkpal]

Excellent advice, Jilly!! I'm going to follow it as I train Piper to come when called outside (while on her long lead, of course)! And you are so, so brilliantly correct when you say not to rush it! . Again, thank you for such sound advise; very helpful. I find, too, that when I back away and crouch/kneel down as I call Piper, she gets very attentive and makes pretty short work of coming to me--where we then have an excited 'what a good, good girl' confirmation w/head rubs and smooches, but no picking her up or the like.

[kreuer]

This does work... I used jilly's advise and both of my dogs come 98% of the time. We are still working on outside when the neighbor's dog is outside! I use cheerios as the reward. I keep them in a plastic bag on the table for easy access. The funny thing is, I will open the bag to get a cheerio out to call Parker from the other room and he will hear the bag opening and run up to me before I even have a chance to say "come." They both know that "come" means when they come to me they will get a treat.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Here's my opinion - take it or leave it for what it's worth and if I'm wrong, I apologize for the misread but on a forum, there's not much information to work with. But here's what it seems like is going on to me after reading your posts:

Your dog hasn't been learning because you've obviously been rushing her, expecting far too much too soon, getting frustrated with her because you don't understand the basic concepts of dog training - short, easy, repetitive steps over and over until the dog makes simple associations in her mind that are drummed in there with many, many, many repetitions. Patience in dog training is an absolute requirement. Unbelievable patience as you repeat, repeat, repeat the same thing over and over endlessly, all the while keeping it fun and encouraging! From reading your past posts, I rather doubt you commit to every single short training session - the second or even third - every single day do you, for the whole two weeks, do you? Don't feel bad, most don't and that's why we've so many untrained dogs.

You've got to commit yourself to the whole program if you really want a trained dog. But the episodes are so short and easy, it's not hard to do! And further, it seems like you think the problem is with your dog. It's not - it's with you. In a normal, healthy dog, it's always up to the trainer when a dog doesn't learn. Trust me, we've all been there.

So, here's the thing, if you let her meal be two or three hours late the first two or three days of training, so that she's really hungry, and you prepare a boiled chicken breast in the kitchen with all those smells wafting through the house so that your hungry dog smells them the whole time its cooking, cool the chicken, tear it into pieces, 10 or so of which you put in your treat pouch and take into a quiet room with no distractions, she will follow you with an intensity that is anything but bored. The, 10 "comes" with 10 instant treats and you're done. Praise her in a high, squeaky voice, release her and go about your business until the next session later that day. My first few days of training a new command, I always have 3 very short training episodes and then cut it to 2 a day.

But know this - when you sit down and place her in front of you and say "Come" and stick a piece of meat instantly in her mouth - SHE WILL BE LISTENING and focusing on YOU. Why? Because she wants the food. Guarantee it. And for the next "Come" you speak and instant treat and on and on for the next 10 bites, she will be raptly listening especially as she begins to understand that when you say that word, she gets food! But here's the thing, you need to repeat that same training episode in another 6 - 10 hours that day. And the next day and the next and on and on for the whole two weeks - at least two training episodes twice each day. Now, feed her the rest of her late meal that she was late getting these first two or three days of training and refrigerate the rest of the chicken breast for the next training session.

By Day 3 or 4, she will absolutely come to understand that as soon as you say "come", that meat instantly is stuck in her mouth and she will begin to LEARN in her brain that "come" equals instant food reward. She'll come to love hearing the word "come". That's all you two need to do for two weeks - let her LEARN by simple repetition and association that "come" means instant food reward and that this is a fun thing to do.

If she's hungry enough the first two or three days of this teaching sessions and you are in a quiet room without other distractions and you actually keep the training up for up 2 or 3 sessions a day for two whole weeks - that's at least 48 training sessions in two weeks(this is where most dog trainers fail - the endless, CONSISTENT, repetitious training sessions), she will LEARN to associate the two things in her brain - "come" with the food reward. And, she will LEARN it well - but not if you rush her.

Dogs don't learn by us just speaking a command and showing them what to do a few times and they somehow just know what to do because we've showed them five or ten times. No, they learn by steps, step-by-step, using endless repetition and association of doing something for a reward and doing that one step over and over and over and over and over for days or weeks, beginning with the easiest part first and then as they LEARN that step very, very, very well, only then do you go to the next step of the command you want them to ultimately do.

And another thing - if you don't show a positive, "can-do" leadership side of yourself to your dog but start out thinking she can't learn, she will sense your defeatism and fail to apply herself. Dogs only work hard for amped up, fun trainers who believe in them and are 101% invested in their training and speak their commands in happy, upbeat voices that make them want to learn what it is that you are trying to communicate to them because you make it seem exciting and like a fun game. No barking out commands, speak them with a big smile in your voice and engage that dog in the fun.

You may not have been a skilled dog trainer in the past but you can absolutely learn how to be a good one now - a trainer your dog loves to work for. So boost yourself up, go into teacher mode and be ready to learn how smart your dog actually is and sit back and watch things begin to turn around with you two and teaching her obedience. And the thing about it is, as you teach your dog, she begins to respect you more and more, actually listening to things you say, trying hard to interpret what it is you want rather than just ignoring you as a hopeless communicator. You will love how smart your really dog is once you learn how to connect with her, train her properly and corral unreal expectations.

I never I was going that fast. since I been trying with her since we got her. and she almost 4 year old. but sometime she not hungry and she wont take the food. so we might have to try before she eat. I never thought I want bening up bet with her. but I might have and not even know it. I just hope it work for her. I know it will take time. but some dog's take way longer then you would really want I guess. I guess at time I am just scared that she will never get it and that make be a bad teacher in the long run.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by kreuer

This does work... I used jilly's advise and both of my dogs come 98% of the time. We are still working on outside when the neighbor's dog is outside! I use cheerios as the reward. I keep them in a plastic bag on the table for easy access. The funny thing is, I will open the bag to get a cheerio out to call Parker from the other room and he will hear the bag opening and run up to me before I even have a chance to say "come." They both know that "come" means when they come to me they will get a treat.

she use to do that when I or anyone open a bag she would come running. but now she don't do that.

[kikil]

But there is one thing I just thought of she is kind of scared of the hard wood floors from time to time. since she slaps if that is spelled right. so could that be a reason why she might not want to come.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by Jkpal

Excellent advice, Jilly!! I'm going to follow it as I train Piper to come when called outside (while on her long lead, of course)! And you are so, so brilliantly correct when you say not to rush it! . Again, thank you for such sound advise; very helpful. I find, too, that when I back away and crouch/kneel down as I call Piper, she gets very attentive and makes pretty short work of coming to me--where we then have an excited 'what a good, good girl' confirmation w/head rubs and smooches, but no picking her up or the like.

Let me know how it workout for you.