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McheleM 09-19-2014 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4488137)
The problem with giving half vaccines is I doubt the company will cover the dog getting sick if say they get there three set of shots and then end up getting Parvo or something.
Even dogs who have received a full vaccine have gotten parvo.

And the titers prove immunity.

McheleM 09-19-2014 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4488224)
Dr Jean Dodds is actually having studies done right now on small dog vaccine doses!:thumbup: There will come a day when small dogs will not get big dog doses!:happyboun

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-vaccines.html
This is good!!

And I can attest that my half vaccines were effective at creating immunity in the litter we had.

I know there's a whole thing about breeders vaccinating themselves and all that, but I was more comfortable doing it myself, doing half doses, and knowing that the girls were healthy and not over vaccinated. I started them at the earliest, because we had Parvo in the house 3 years ago with Noah, and I was scared it would be an issue, especially since Allie went all mommie dearest on us and didn't want to have anything to do with them and they didn't get much needed mommy milk and immunities from her. We limited visitors, the entire puppy area was quarantined, cleaned, clean and cleaned again, and anyone entering that area had to leave their shoes outside, wash their hands before going in, and be spritzed with virkon. I wasn't taking any unnessacary chances. I didn't want them in a vets office, getting who knows what germs and diseases any more than needed. They were vet checked, tails docked and dew claws removed, and then vet checked again before going to new homes. Everything else was handled by me.

Britster 09-19-2014 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488151)
The problem with this is that there is no real definition for holistically raised anything, it will vary from one breeder to another. Right now, it's just a marketing term. If your interested in buying from a holistically bent breeder find out what she means by that and make sure she's not doing anything that could be detrimental to the puppies in order to "sound" current. Forgoing shots would be detrimental to the puppy. Holistic diets on the other hand are another matter, but even that could proof unsafe if the breeder wasn't aware of certain things, for example more attention has to be given to proper food storage and refrigeration when feeding raw and a breeder should know these things.
I don't disagree with any of this, I was just posting examples for people who maybe didn't know or understand. Most don't use the term 'holistic' but rather 'naturally reared'....

intilis 09-19-2014 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4488224)
Dr Jean Dodds is actually having studies done right now on small dog vaccine doses!:thumbup: There will come a day when small dogs will not get big dog doses!:happyboun

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-vaccines.html
Great news, can't happen soon enough!

Piddle Place 09-20-2014 01:00 AM
thank you
 
[QUOTE=chachi;4487881]Now someone on here that believed in holistic practices believed and recommended to someone on here to cure mange with peroxide rather than medications which is lunacy. I would research and dont just jump into it I believe some holistic vets may be okay and see vaccinations and medications are needed but I know from being on here and reading threads that some are fanatical too so dont get caught up in that[/QUOTE

Well put. It would be nice to think we could find a holistic approach to everything, but sometimes modern medicine is the logical choice.

Lovetodream88 09-20-2014 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4488727)
Even dogs who have received a full vaccine have gotten parvo.

And the titers prove immunity.
I mean like if you give the full dose like three times I think the company pays for the treatment if the dog gets sick or you could probably sue them for the treatment costs but could you do that if you only gave half?

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4488774)
I mean like if you give the full dose like three times I think the company pays for the treatment if the dog gets sick or you could probably sue them for the treatment costs but could you do that if you only gave half?
That's a good question. In my opinion I would say no because you didn't give the dose required which in some cases means you didn't get a "therapeutic dose". But that what I know from being a nurse. JMO:)

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4488743)
I don't disagree with any of this, I was just posting examples for people who maybe didn't know or understand. Most don't use the term 'holistic' but rather 'naturally reared'....
I guess my issue is that it would vary greatly from breeder to breeder because there is no true definition. Just like teacups, some breeders think any toy dog is a teacup.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4488727)
Even dogs who have received a full vaccine have gotten parvo.

And the titers prove immunity.
I've heard here that titers aren't all that effective, not sure what the latest news, but every time I recommend them instead of shots, I'm told they are worthless.

gemy 09-20-2014 08:45 AM
Holistic - a much malaligned term
 
I agree that not only in the doggie world, but in the human world, holistic has become some sort of buzz word, and really has no universally acceptable practice discipline.


If I remember someone said $3K for an un-registered puppy? You gotta be kidding me! Why so expensive?


In terms of 5 or 10 or even more years health guarantee, that is fine, if it truly is a health guarantee that means something. But baring the financial costs of an ill puppy or dog, there is the real emotional toll on the owners, and the suffering of the dog to take into consideration.


You would need to examine very carefully the health practices of this or any breeder, and understand for you, what is important to be done and have had done, at what ages, etc.

Lovetodream88 09-20-2014 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488797)
I've heard here that titers aren't all that effective, not sure what the latest news, but every time I recommend them instead of shots, I'm told they are worthless.
That's what I'm told and I have read that too.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4488841)
That's what I'm told and I have read that too.
I think Dr. Dodd recommends them, I've been doing it b/c it gives me some sense of comfort and doesn't hurt the dogs.

Lovetodream88 09-20-2014 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488843)
I think Dr. Dodd recommends them, I've been doing it b/c it gives me some sense of comfort and doesn't hurt the dogs.
I just decided after 7 years no more DAP I'm honestly not even going to do them.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4488844)
I just decided after 7 years no more DAP I'm honestly not even going to do them.
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that. Rabies is the shot I really wish I could comfortably forgo. I can't wait until they have a titers for that.

Lovetodream88 09-20-2014 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488847)
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that. Rabies is the shot I really wish I could comfortably forgo. I can't wait until they have a titers for that.
Or at least let you go five years. I feel terrible for the dogs in the states that have to get it every year.


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