I so relate to this, completely. Preachy alienates, while teachy includes...at least that's my own experience. I think of the many convos that happen here regarding animal welfare and I've had some utterly amazing discussions about it. But try to discuss it with a preacher? Usually hit a wall. Discuss it w/ a teacher...and it's usually a pretty wonderful back-and-forth where I learn as much about myself, as about the other person and about the subject at hand too.

This is exactly the way I feel, and I actually love learning new things, but I'm very stubborn about throwing out my old values and ideas, so when I can have an intelligent respectful conversation with someone, even though we have different opinions, they can plant a seed with me and hopefully, I can with them too and so much future insight can come from that. Sometimes true learning comes in our quiet moments, not in the middle of a debate, so those "seeds" can become quite valuable.

Jeanie, I have a question for you. Do you think you are the only person who posts correctly here? Or perhaps one of a few?

You keep saying things that make me think so. My impression when this thread was started by Ann was that it was a general thing and everyone should be as kind as possible. I thought there was room for everyone to change....not just a select few. This very topic/thread was just brought up again the other day by a member who felt she was treated poorly yet she was not going to be happy with me and others because she felt it was ok for a vet to break the law and give 1/2 rabies vaccines. It is NOT ok and I was very forceful about saying so after she kept insisting it was. And another one who complained recently on this thread was complaining about me...obviously it was HIM because his post was removed. I am quite fatigued by all of this. I swear you all don't appreciate anyone's experience at all and want to be alone here. We can arrange that .. but I don't think that is goal.

I don't understand how you keep pointing your fingers at others. I don't think any of us are bullying just because we don't post like you or whoever else you think we should model after.

Nancy, have you read this thread? And just out of curiosity, why was my post the only one you pointed out as preaching? Is mine the only one that sounded preachy to you?

Well now that receiving PM has been bought up lol, I feel the need to get this off my chest.
I received a PM a few months ago, here is what I received
“why don’t you like me”
So I ask why would you say such a thing,
the reply was
because I heard bad PM were being sent about me and “thought” you were the one sending them.
How do you like them apples lol.
I have never had an exchange of words with this member, I have never commented on anything this member ever posted. I have never disagreed with this member. I have never had any contact with this member. Yet I am accused, yes I use the word accused of not liking them, lol. And to think I am sending PM out against them lol, outrageous lol.
I have absolutely no idea why this was ever sent to me lol.
Wish I knew the why so I can clear up this mystery in my head lol.

Of course not but you and others seem just as dedicated in your tone and opinions as I do.

So how about you give examples instead of this vague stuff? If you are discussing my posts, I would like for someone to SHOW ME where I am bullying people...or being preachy. I say it like it is and people can choose to listen or not. I don't set out to be mean to anyone. I honestly don't think many who post often here do....they are mostly here to help people take care of their pups. I am aware of my strengths and weaknesses and would hope that everyone else is. I think that you coming here preaching as you are in this very thread offends many...I know it does me. So...there I am telling you that you come off preachy. So how about you do the same and tell me or whoever you are referring to the same thing? Then, do you think it will change anything? Really?

Quesiton of the day: How bad do you all really think YT is? And, if it IS that bad, why be here?

Linda, there are plenty of fingers being pointed here and I've pointed none of mine directly at you, Nancy(until she seemed to imply that I alone was preaching) or anyone. I merely defended myself by saying there's been a lot of preaching on this thread before Nancy so adroitly brought it up about me.

This thread causes more drama and picking at people and feelings hurt. At the end of the day people are going to post how they want if it breaks the rules then report it if not then ignore them. There will always be drama when people are telling other people how to post and at the end of the day the moderator is the only word that matters. You could post a rainbow and kittens post and somebody would still take it wrong. People get mad when they are told there doing something wrong or that there are people who have different opinions. This post is a great reminder but it should be closed because it's a place people use to bully other people and make drama. I also want to point out that everyone gets completly up in arms saying oh you chased this new member away and such and such well maybe some people need to take a look at the older members who are getting "chased" away. This is just ridiculous.

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And on this note, I am going to go feed my pups and have happy puppy time here! :)

No, I haven't read this whole thread, I only responded to your reply because I agreed with you and we both had responded to another thread about having a pet bird. I was so afraid to sound judgmental on that thread, but I did want to give my thoughts on the matter. Your reply, just hit a note that I was feeling, I guess my reply wasn't all that clear. I did not think your posts sounded preachy at all, and in fact I thought you were saying, you accepted a wide range of replies "as long as our words remain civil, not mean-spirited or intended to wound." I was trying to explain what types of replies get me to "open my mind."

We've all been attacked and fingers pointed at us fairly over the years but there is nothing wrong with asking people to be kinder and gentler or Ann wouldn't have started this thread. Now it probably should be closed as it seems I alone got too preachy on this thread......

I guess this is the post you are referring to.

Seriously, I thought we were so in tune because of what I read on the bird thread. I was talking about my own experience and my own goals, I want to be teaching, not preaching refers to my goals. Honestly, there was no criticism mean here. But this is a good example of how, even though we have no ill will things can be taken the wrong way, so I'm glad you called me out on it and I hope I cleared this up.

I say there should be a rule, that because each person has a different opinion we are allowed to disagree but not post "Ms Priss I think your post is mean" no judging others intent...and that if you dislike the way someone posts then report it instead of bashing the so called basher....the bashing of the bashing....omgggggggggg

As I was reading this thread I was reading it one way and then the next post was saying it was taken another way and I thought wow...I'm totally misreading/misinterpreting the "tone" too....It was like I had to go back and read again and then interpret it with the tone that was being accused of and its like...this is just crazy.....enough, if someone doesn't like what someone else says REPORT IT....I've never seen a time were Ann or Admin didn't inflect some SOS when asked to....leave the moderating to the moderators...thats all.

Dang, Nancy, I wanted to pout some more but thank you for your kind clarification, but hopefully preaching isn't the new bad word of the day!

I enjoy a good sermon on any subject I enjoy or need to know more about, such as on some of the food or vaccination threads. There's some serious preaching on those, right? But it pounds home in a condensed form a lot of information I need to further research and often do, so thanks for the sermons, one and all. But I'll apologize for any of my preachiness for those who are put off by it, though what it is about asking people to be kinder is being preachy I couldn't figure. Anyway, sorry for offending those who did take my words that way. And for the rest, preach on if you like, it usually prompts me to researching, thinking and energizes me to look into something that someone is so passionate about unless it's mean-spirited in tone.