Coyotes and potty training

[Cbjorgol]

Hello,

I live in the woods of MA and my backyard is right up against some thick brush that could easily hide a coyote. I am crate and potty training and the combination is somewhat problematic. My first thought was to buy a small pen that I can put her in when she goes outside at night. This would be enough of a barrier where I could fight a Coyote off (with my bare hands of course) before they had a chance to get her. I brought a 24" tall 5x5 pen home today and I think the anxiety from crate training makes her focus entirely on worry about being left in the pen to the point that she doesn't go pee at all and just cries and looks at me.

So to sum it up, have to let her pee at night, I can't put up a fence, a leash might not deter the coyotes, and she won't pee in an enclosed area. Any thoughts?

[megansmomma]

You are going to fight a coyote with your bare hands? OK.....

[Cbjorgol]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

You are going to fight a coyote with your bare hands? OK.....

Lol, I was joking of course but I would have an opportunity to scare it off before it chomped little squishy.

[Cbjorgol]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

You are going to fight a coyote with your bare hands? OK.....

Lol, I am joking of course but at lease I could scare it off before it had a chance to chomp poor little squishy.

[Dawn Arnold]

A coyote will jump over that fence grab your pup and jump out before you can get to it.
Unless you stand right beside the pen but you can not fight it with your bare hands.
We have them here now in Florida.
I would use a strong wire cover over the top and have more than bare hands ready just in case while your pup is in the pen. Also at night a bright outside light might help.

[Cbjorgol]

Originally Posted by Dawn Arnold

A coyote will jump over that fence grab your pup and jump out before you can get to it.
Unless you stand right beside the pen but you can not fight it with your bare hands.
We have them here now in Florida.
I would use a strong wire cover over the top and have more than bare hands ready just in case while your pup is in the pen. Also at night a bright outside light might help.

Yah I stand right by the pen and coyotes are usually too scared to get close to a full grown human. The neighbor across the street has a teacup and she just stands by it at night but that would still leave me nervous. Plus the issue is that the dog won't go to the bathroom in the pen anyways. I need a different alternative.

[McheleM]

I fought a chupacabra once.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Cbjorgol

Hello,

I live in the woods of MA and my backyard is right up against some thick brush that could easily hide a coyote. I am crate and potty training and the combination is somewhat problematic. My first thought was to buy a small pen that I can put her in when she goes outside at night. This would be enough of a barrier where I could fight a Coyote off (with my bare hands of course) before they had a chance to get her. I brought a 24" tall 5x5 pen home today and I think the anxiety from crate training makes her focus entirely on worry about being left in the pen to the point that she doesn't go pee at all and just cries and looks at me.

So to sum it up, have to let her pee at night, I can't put up a fence, a leash might not deter the coyotes, and she won't pee in an enclosed area. Any thoughts?

OK, Davy Crocket! Seriously, a coyote will have your baby in its mouth and back into the woods before your brain will even be able to transmit the command "MOVE!" to the neurons in your feet! The sheer shock of seeing a coyote with your baby in its mouth will probably render you motionless, at least until the beast is into the next county. If you are good with a 243, you may be able to nail it before it disappears into the woods, but you have to be a good shot so you dont get the pup!!!
If I were you, I would get one of those chain link fence kennels....they are completely enclosed so no predator can get the baby .....including owls and hawks from those woods you live by.....and you will just have to spend the time to work persistantly with your baby to get her used to the enclosed run. You cant let the pup out unattended, especially at night, exposed to the predators that live in those woods.....pup will get used to that enclosed kennel, and she will learn to pee and poo there. You can buy some drops that draw them to pee pads....maybe you can try some of those....if she uses pee pads in the house, put a soiled pee pad in the enclosed area, so she will know that is what it is for....Good luck and remember, you have to be more steadfast and stubborn and determined than the pup is!

[katy-yorkie]

Originally Posted by McheleM

I fought a chupacabra once.

I fought two chupacabras, with one arm tied behind me.

I see coyotes all the time, they leave me alone but then I don't have anything that they want (like a small pup).

[matese]

never heard of a chupacabras, so I just googled it. God bless you gals that fraught off that thing, it is a horrifying sight to see. We have coyotes here in The Pocono's in Pa. I hit one with my car 3 years ago, these coyotes are shorter then a German Shepard, slim in build and very skinny, not the coyotes we see on TV that run in packs, we also have a lot of hybrid coyote/dog, if these are what live in MD, I could see someone fighting it off bare handed. I know for myself, I put myself before my babies and would fight off what was trying to get at my pups, I would protect them with my life. My house is also in a heavily wooded area, we have black bears, bob cats, fox,hybrids and coyote. I at one time had a dog run that my babies used because I didn't want a fenced in back yard, I love the beauty of the woods. Several years ago I installed a 3 foot high rabbit fence, it's almost invisible, I can still enjoy my woods and my babies could run free, but bigger animals can still jump over it. I no longer have the dog run. My last girl used a section for her potty. My new lil city boy was not use to running free and he LOVED the yard, running like a lil grey hound, I had spot lights installed at the back of my yard where it is very dark, so I could better see where my boy went and was always behind him. Now it is Spring going into summer, all the wild animals are now out. At night I do not take him in the yard, I have a very large deck, and that's what his has to use. When Nov. comes we will use the yard again and continue until the snow gets to deep then it will be the deck again. I am not afraid of wild animals, but, why should I take a chance of an attack and traumatize my lil boy. As suggested, I would get a metal dog run with a wired roof and train your pup to use it. When I started to have Cody use the deck he refused, he wanted the yard, but with 3 1/2 feet of snow that was impossible, the first day when he saw he was not going in that yard, and he could no longer hold his pee pee and poop, he used the deck. For the safety of your pup, so as not to traumatize your baby make the investment of the steel wired dog run with the wired roof, he will use it when he sees he has no other choice. Good luck

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by McheleM

I fought a chupacabra once.

Snort, LOL.

To the OP- two words: pee pads. Train your pup to be an indoor/outdoor dog and use the pee pads at night.

[Pam Shaw]

Originally Posted by mchelem

i fought a chupacabra once.

lol! Good one!!!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Cbjorgol

Lol, I was joking of course but I would have an opportunity to scare it off before it chomped little squishy.

I'm glad that you were not serious about your bare hands. Because of your post last night I had a dream about me, an apartment balcony and a bear cub that woke me up laughing at like 3 AM. I'd like to add a few facts before retelling my dream. First, we live in the suburbs of Chicago, in a house and the news has been filled in recent days about a young bear that has been spotted in IL. Bears are not native to IL so this is kind of big news. As a matter of fact it was on the news again just a few minutes ago. Kind of like the mountain lion that was shot and killed inside the city of Chicago a few years ago.

Here's my crazy mind:

My husband and I were living in an apartment that faced an alley with a large dumpster. The bear cub broke into the apartment and I grabbed it by the neck and flung it into the open dumpster which just happened to have a mattress inside. The bear bounced high into the air and landed on the ground then ran away. I taught him huh

Here's my opinion on the coyotes. We have coyotes around us too so it is concerning when I let them out to potty at night. I know that a fence even 6' tall will not stop a coyote if they wanted to hop it. But I do let them out at night and always go out with them to watch and take a huge Mag Light flashlight with me. Before I let them out I'll check the yard and in and out they go. They are more afraid of us then we are of them. So if you want to potty outside I'd say stick close to your backdoor, take a flashlight and if you were to see one make a lot of noise to scare it off. During the day I don't worry but at night it's always a very quick in and out with me right there watching.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by McheleM

I fought a chupacabra once.

Originally Posted by katy-yorkie

I fought two chupacabras, with one arm tied behind me.

I see coyotes all the time, they leave me alone but then I don't have anything that they want (like a small pup).

We sure are a tough crowd here on YT!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I'm glad that you were not serious about your bare hands. Because of your post last night I had a dream about me, an apartment balcony and a bear cub that woke me up laughing at like 3 AM. I'd like to add a few facts before retelling my dream. First, we live in the suburbs of Chicago, in a house and the news has been filled in recent days about a young bear that has been spotted in IL. Bears are not native to IL so this is kind of big news. As a matter of fact it was on the news again just a few minutes ago. Kind of like the mountain lion that was shot and killed inside the city of Chicago a few years ago.

Here's my crazy mind:

My husband and I were living in an apartment that faced an alley with a large dumpster. The bear cub broke into the apartment and I grabbed it by the neck and flung it into the open dumpster which just happened to have a mattress inside. The bear bounced high into the air and landed on the ground then ran away. I taught him huh

Here's my opinion on the coyotes. We have coyotes around us too so it is concerning when I let them out to potty at night. I know that a fence even 6' tall will not stop a coyote if they wanted to hop it. But I do let them out at night and always go out with them to watch and take a huge Mag Light flashlight with me. Before I let them out I'll check the yard and in and out they go. They are more afraid of us then we are of them. So if you want to potty outside I'd say stick close to your backdoor, take a flashlight and if you were to see one make a lot of noise to scare it off. During the day I don't worry but at night it's always a very quick in and out with me right there watching.

Don't forget to have your puppy out while wearing a harness and a leash to keep her near you.