need information on studding..
 

My Yorkie is a full blooded CKC (long story thought I was getting AKC) 1 yr old male. I am thinking of studding him. What do I need to be aware of in order to do this? I want to be sure all my basis are covered before I advertise.

Welcome to Yorkie Talk.

You posted another thread about marking. Studding out your Yorkie is likely going to make marking an even bigger issue.

To be honest, the kind of breeders who would use a dog with CKC registration are not ones you would want to work with. CKC doesn't have the rigorous standards of AKC (imperfect as AKC might be).

For breeding dogs, genetic testing is recommended, along with research into the dogs' lines. Is your pup an excellent representative of the breed? I love my Yorkie boys and think they are adorable, but they are "pet" quality, not breeding quality.

Ok did not see this before I responded to the other post. I can tell you for fact, that once my male chow I had years ago mated, he thought he was the man and marked everything, to where he needed to become a outside dog. If you want to breed him, he IS going to mark his territory. I agree with the previous post, that A LOT going into breeding and it can be expensive. You need to make sure your male is of breeding quality or you will be doing the females as well as the breed a injustice in keeping good lineage go the breed. My male chow I bred years ago was from 27 champion lines.

@ Maximo - My yorkie is full blooded, his dad is AKC but his Mom was CKC b/c both of her parents weren't AKC and your can't register with AKC unless both parents are AKC registered. So with that said -- he is full blooded, has no "imperfections" and is perfectly healthy for breeding. He hasn't been bred yet. I just have some friends who have females that want to get puppies off of him, I am really just wanting to know what to charge, and how to go about collecting fees, before or after puppies etc.. Thanks!

@ Sunnydayz my yorkie is full blooded, like I just replied to Maximo -- bloodlines aren't an issue.. his dad, & grandparents on his dad side are all AKC, the Mom was just a CKC puppy b/c one of her parents was AKC, and the other was CKC.. Thanks for sharing with me about breeding makes marking worse though.. I had a Boxer once, and he never marked, even after he was bred several times, he was an inside dog. I have never experienced all this marking, and it is about to drive me insane. IF we choose to breed him w/ my friends female, and it gets worse I may just have him fixed for my sanity !! Thanks for the information..

From the YTCA website:
14) All stud dogs and bitches shall be screened prior to breeding for both infectious and hereditary diseases using the generally accepted and available techniques. DNA testing shall be done on all studs and bitches.

With that said here is a little info you need to know and do: I know there will be breeders will chime in with more.

First breeders want AKC registered studs to breed with their females.

Breeders check for any breed faults, LP, heart murmur, male (STD test too) and female before breeding. They also do the Bile Acid test and a full blood panel, even if it was done as a pup. By the time you run all the tests it is very expensive, but must be done if you plan to do it right.

You also study and know the lines. You have to kinda of predict what you may get and you want as close to the standard as possible. Research and learn those lines and know the faults of each male and female before breeding. what is being thrown, bad fronts, cottony coats etc. You want them to compliment one another and be as close to the standard as possible.


Also you have to remember you are half responsible for the puppies.

A great book to read is The Complete Book of Dog Breeding by Dan Rice,DVM

To get feedback on price and other details, you may want to post a new thread in the breeder section so more people will see it, people with knowledge in this area: Breeder Talk - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

Be prepared: many people are going to give you all the reasons not to be breed.

Well... Since you want to charge for a "service," think about when you get things done for yourself. You want to pay for the best right? So when you're offering something, then offer the best! How do you know what you have is the best? That's easy. Study your pups lines (look into he health history of generations past), have your boy health tested (and no, a wellness check is not enough, there is a list of health tests to check for diseases both genetic and STD and on and on, one of the breeders will list them for you since I don't know them all by name), have your boy looked at by those who know, like show people, judges, etc. they can help you evaluate your dog for quality.

I know it sounds mean and detached, but that's the honest truth about studding. If I had a female that I needed a stud for, I'm not going to exchange money with you unless I know I'm getting the best. That's how you know what to charge.

I agree with this. If you plan on studding I would get the proper tests done ...I don't even think it's that expensive. Know his lines and what he has the potential to "throw". Have a show judge/responsible breeder check him out to give you their unbiased opinion(we all think our dogs are the shiz ;)). Make sure the female has been tested for stds. I would hate for my male to contract something. Also if he's an "unproven" stud I don't think you should charge as much but if he is proven the general stud fee in my area is $500 depending on lines and test done or pick of the litter. If you do it I would make sure to get your money up front but also have a contract between you and the females owner. Including something like "....if this tie does not produce pups we will try x number of times afterwards if there are no puppies as a result I will refund x amount of money". Just a thought/example. But your best bet would be to contact a responsible breeder and ask how they do things. Good Luck!!!!

You are asking a question where there's no clear cut answer...it's like asking "how much should a yorkie cost." You charge the stud fee based on the individual dog, it's accomplishements in the show ring, it's pedigree ect ect. Typically it seems people will either take a.)pick of the litter or b.)they will charge around what the cost of one puppy is.

I think the bigger issue is whether your dog is fit to breed. We have a huge pet overpopulation problem from puppy mills and back yard breeders looking to make a buck...from irresponsible owners not spaying/neutering their pups and they get oopsies litters or from people thinking "oh, my pet is so cute. It would make great puppies." There are several "perfect pet quality" yorkies sitting in shelters all across the country just waiting to be adopted...and every time someone breeds for any reason other than to better the breed, they are just adding to the pet overpopulation problem.

First off, most breeders with good lines don't just hand out breeding rights to anyone...because their kennel name is attached to it and they don't want anyone breeding willie nillie with their name on it. The fact that the breeder of your dog did nothing to protect their lines by making you sign a spay/neuter contract makes me question the quality of their lines. Secondly, the fact that one of your pups parents isn't AKC registered is a pretty big oopsies. IF you are a GOOD breeder, you know your lines and you know who you are breeding. Obviously, the breeder didn't even bother to look into the lines or else they would have known the dog wasn't AKC registered.

Lastly, I know you say your pup is perfectly healthy...but who told you your pup was pefectly healthy?? If it was a regular vet...it doesn't mean squat. When people are talking about health checks for breeding, they aren't talking about a general wellness check at your local vet. They are talking about taking your dog to an orthopedic vet to have the hips and knees certified...They are talking about taking your pup to a cardiologist to get your dog heart certified...to an optomologist to get them eye certified etc etc. These aren't just things your regular does when you take them in for their annual check up. These certifications require the eyes and signature of a board certified specialist and they aren't cheap.

The reason you do all of these certifications is because you are trying to eliminate the possibility of genetic problems being passed down to the puppies. It has to be done in both the male and female and if anything is found wrong(bad knees, bad heart etc etc), you should not breed them. Unfortunately, because this breed is so popular and so many puppy mills and back yard breeders have cut corners and not done the tests to save/make a buck, you find yorkies riddled with health problems. The ONLY way to breed these problems out of the line is to do the testing and be vigilent in WHICH dogs get bred.. Otherwise, you are just contributing to the problem of breeding unhealthy dogs.

IMO, you should leave the breeding up to the professionals...the people who show and breed for a living..the people who know their lines and the health and temperment of the dogs they are breeding. If you do breed, I hope you realize the financial responsibility behind it...as do the people you are breeding your dog to...breeding these little guys is no joke and it can be a HUGE FINANCIAL DRAIN. A C-section can easily cost $1000-2000.

I am sure you've got a beautiful pup...so please don't take what I say as a personal attack on you or your pup. I adopted a yorkie who was used for Stud service for his former owner and he is nowhere near a perfect specimin for breeding. He's got a cotton coat. He's got an awful temperment and a not so great confirmation. My mom has 2 of his puppies and they have had lots of health issues. It doesn't mean I love him any less. He's perfect in my eyes....and yes, the others are right....if you think your pup is marking now, wait until you get him breeding. My retired stud dog is 10 years old and he's lifting his leg all over my house. I have to keep a diaper on him 24/7 because of it...so yes, studding a dog out definitely makes the leg lifting A LOT worse.

Which Ckc? There are two one is reputable one is not.

I am def. NOT DISAGREEING with any poster here. In fact I agree with all that posted, but I know where and what you and your friends with females are wanting to go.....
What you want to do is JUST BREED your dog, what your FRIENDS WANT is a MATE for their FEMALES they don't care about AKC or CKC or even ABC!!!, they want puppies to sell. Let me say this first, years back I was told by a vet I was using at that time, if mating, the female MUST be BIGGER then the male, if male is BIGGER then the female, it could cause larger puppies and complications for the female, (death of puppies or C-section for the mom) to be continued on nx post before I lose this lol

years back I had friends that first got a female yorkie, 2 years later they got a male yorkie, BIGGER then the female, and was going to mate them. I told them what my vet told me, it fell on deaf ears, they mated the dogs, neither the wife nor the husband got any information about breeding or whelping. when the female was in labor, then started to deliver, the first puppy was so big the mom couldn't get it out, they then called "A" vet who told them to take the dog to the nearest "fire station" (living in NYC there is a fire station on just about every other corner) and to let the vet know where they were and the vet would meet them at the fire station. When they got to the fire station the puppy that was stuck was dead, the vet performed a C-section and was able to save the second puppy, due to C-section the mom wanted nothing to do with the puppy, so husband & wife feed it and kept it alive. (female was only carry 2 pups thank god) the saved puppy as it grew was the ugliest lol yorkie I ever saw, longggg legs shortttt body. So if this is what you want for your friends with females (sending before losing)

then mate your dogs with theirs, no matter what is being told to you here on this site is going to STOP you from breeding your male. I pray what happened to this (now ex friends, because they did not do what was good or right for their female I will not associate with ppl like them) female & her pups will not happen to your friends with females that JUST WANT TO MATE THEIR DOGS. Many ppl with males will take the "pick of the litter" either keep it or they sell the pup. some will ask for stud fee, If I were you, because I know you will breed your male, you should determine what you feel the value of you using him as a stud is worth to you, and take money NO PUP. After seeing how these ppl's pup turned out I wouldn't suggest taking "pick of the litter because "Ya never know what your gonna get when ya open a box of chocolate".

To all members that posted or will be posting
 

PLEASE DO NOT BE ANGREY WITH ME, I AM NOT IN AREEMENT WITH HIM
I am 1000% in agreement with all members that have so far posted, as you can see by his reply he is going to mate his CKC bc the mother was CKC, the father was AKC, the grandparents were AKC, but mated with a CKC, etc, etc., etc. so all pups his male produces will be ABC's he's going to use his dog as a stud regardless of all the proper advise you have given him and what he will yet get from others. All he wanted to know from this site was "HOW MUCH SHOULD HE ASK FOR AS A STUD FEE" or where he can find this info.
Put a fork in me, I am done,:(

The most important testing to be done is genetic testing of your dogs DNA. It will show possible defects in its linkage as to what your dog may throw out, irregardless if your dog seems perfectly healthy. Just because your little guy is healthy does not mean he does not carry a defect in his bloodline. Also make sure to get a pedigree on both dogs that are to mate going back many generations, showing their qualities and accomplishments as well as health, it should look like a family tree with all the info listed on each dog in the tree, and it should all be able to be confirmed. I did this with both my male chow as well as my female. When I had to get rid of my male ( it was during the recession in the 90's) I had him fixed and gave him to a loving friend of mine with no papers that Gave I'm a forever home, as I was moving 300 miles away. I did not want to take a risk of him being bred and ruining his champion pedigree. Also the fact that both mother and father of your pup are not akc is a big red flag right there. Any dog worth breeding and improving should be not only health checked, free of any defects it can throw out from generations back, but should also be of show quality standards of the akc registry to even insider improving the bloodlines and breeding him. The most likely reason the one parent is not akc of your male was probably because it did not meet the standard akc requires. Just my 2 cents. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but just letting you know how the process of a good breeder would go about it. I would also have all this same information on the dam the sire is being bred to.

On the question of charge, usually it's the value of a pup, or pick of the litter.

Now I think all persons wanting to breed need a mentor and I think people wanting to stud should too. Some unbiased breeder that can show you the ropes and direct you

If the CKC you are talking about is not the Canadian Kennel Club then you need to just get your dog fixed because there is no way to prove its a full yorkie the dog that was registered CKC could be a mix for all you know even if he looks yorkie. You also need to make sure your dog is a perfect example of the breed because only perfect examples of the breed should be bred and that's to better the breed. Then you need to know the lines he came from to know what size pups his lines have had and if there have been any issues. Then you need to get genetic and health testing done. You also need to know about all the things your dog could start doing after being studded and make sure you are prepared for that.

You friends should not be breeding because its obvious they are not doing it for the right reasons. Breeding should only be done for bettering the breed not just for the heck of it. Have your friends first go check out your local shelters for awhile and then see if they really think breeding for the heck of it is really a good idea.

Just because a Yorkie is "full blooded" does NOT mean it is breeding quality. Dogs that are registered with CKC, unless you are referring to Canadian Kennel Club, which I am sure you are not, you have a precious little male that is a PET. He is not breeding quality. To understand this, you need to pull up his pedigree for at least 12 generations....you are going to find "holes" and "questionable" dogs in that pedigree....if they were not questionable, whoever it was behind your boy that was registered CKC was done because they could not meet the standard for registration in AKC. To breed any dog that does not meet the breed standard, let alone the purebred bloodlines that qualify that dog for registration in a purebred registery, is a pet and should be spayed or neutered and not used as a breeder. There are thousands of dogs that ARE AKC registered, that should not be bred....breeding dogs that do not exemplify the breed standard, should not be bred. Dogs that can not be registered in a purebred registery because of questionable heritage, should certainly NOT be used to breed.

@ Matese -- Thank you!!! Maybe I should not have used the word "studding" that seemed to get people all riled up.. Again this is new to me .. YES my friends have females they want a mate for, I was thinking about asking for pick of the litter, but I know if I bring it to my house I will be attached and will never sell it.. Thank you for your incite to this ! and answering a question that I didn't realize was such a "big ordeal"

To everyone else that commented.. I didn't mean to offend anyone ! I was told by the "breeder" that my puppy was AKC, when I went to register him under my name, I later found out the truth.. As I told Matese -- my friends are looking for a mate for their yorkie females.. I used the wrong lingo apparently ! Thank you all for taking the time to enlighten me !

No you used the right lingo and the right information was given. The same way you got suckered into a non-quality dog, you selling your dogs sperm is not right either. I know the words are mean or harsh due to the detachment of the "business", but the reality is a mating is an exchange of goods or services. As a provider of a stud, you need to make sure what you're offering your friends is quality, which is what everyone else is trying to tell you. Otherwise, you're no better than the person who lied to you about your yorkie's paperwork.

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Either way your dog is not breeding quality.

There's no point if the person is only going to hear what they want to hear.

To the OP...you used the right terminology. You want to stud out your dog that is not AKC registered which basically means you wil become a backyard breeder with your friends. People aren't upset because you used the wrong words. They are upset because you want to breed your PET QUALITY(less than perfect specimen) dog for the heck of it.

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Have you had a BATS test done on our boy for Liver Shunt? Were his knees checked for Luxating Patellas? Do you know what Leggs Calve Perthes Disease is? These are only a few inherited diseases in the YT...there are many more. Same w/the female.

Not from a Yorkie site, but the same rule applies.
So You Want To Use Your Dog At Stud

Only the very best males should ever be used at stud. The only reason anyone should breed his animal is to try to improve the breed. A bitch owner can go to any of the top stud dogs in the country. So, what does your dog have to offer?

Has your male been evaluated in the show ring by qualified judges against top competition?
Has he been OFA certified clear of hip and elbow dysplasia?
Have his eyes been checked by a veterinary opthalmologist, who certified him clear of PRA and other hereditary eye defects?
Has he been tested clear of brucellosis?
Is he of the proper temperament?
If you can answer yes to all of the above questions and you are one of the lucky few to own an outstanding dog, are you ready and qualified to handle a stud dog?
Breeding doesn't always happen 1-2-3. Do you have the necessary facilities to board a bitch in season to keep her safely in and the neighbor dogs out? Are you prepared to board a problem bitch or a bitch that the owner just doesn't want around while she is in season because it is too much of a hassle?
Are you prepared to spend sleepless nights with your boarding bitch in season barking and your male pacing and howling?
Are you prepared to handle the problem bitch that doesn't want to be bred and tries to tear your dog to shreds?
Are you qualified to evaluate pedigrees and judge if your dog's five-generation pedigree will complement the bitch's? After all, it's your dog's name and reputation you're passing on to that litter.
Are you qualified to advise the bitch owner on whelping and puppy care? If your dog is bred to a bitch belonging to a novice owner, that owner is going to expect you to have all the answers. Do you have a ready market for offspring of your stud dog to help the bitch owner place the litter? (This is usually achieved by showing your dog and having him become well known. A lot of time and money must be put into your dog if you want to get anything back.)
Have you seen many bitches in season at all, and can you tell when it is best to breed the bitch?
Have you ever assisted in a breeding, or even seen one so you will know what you have to do? Do you realize that its more than putting the two dogs in an area together? Do you realize that leaving a dog and a bitch in season alone together can be disastrous and may even physically harm both?
Are you prepared for the change in your male's temperament? Once he's been used for stud, that will become the only thing on his mind. Or are you prepared for the wear and tear on your stud dog ... his not eating, pacing and constant whining will not be easy to cope with.

As you can see, its not all that easy. Please think about it.

@DVLSHANGEL95 --- I get it !! I have all the information I need, I don't need you telling me that my dog is "not quality" I didn't get suckered into anything, I was given miss information... I don't care if he has AKC papers or not, a paper doesn't make the dog, or how I feel about him ! I have received all the information I need on this matter, please quit trying to insult me.. I am glad that you are such an "expert" I may share him with my friends female and I may not, however it will be my choice.. I will not be studding him out to any and everybody !! I was mainly asking about procedures, as far charges, or pick of the litter. I joined this group for incite, not to be insulted !! Again, someone much nicer was able to help answer the questions I was needing. I don't need anymore information from you! Have a nice day!

@theporkieyorkie ! A backyard breeder with my friends sounds just fine to me !!

@Loveto dream -- we live in a small town, people breed yorkies and other breeds with their friends all the time. It's not "just for the heck of it" all puppies are always sold to good loving homes, and go on to live healthy happy lives. Some go by AKC -AKC only .. others don't -- just depends are what they are looking for... You people are all way to uptight about the whole "AKC" thing... Good grief !!