Biewer...or not???
 

Hi everyone! I'm new to this site and still trying to figure it out. I have two Yorkies (I think)...Ella is a one year old silky and Maizy is a 4 month old Biewer. My question is to anyone who knows anything about Biewers. I got Maizy just before Christmas from a breeder who owned the father and grandfather and was given one of the pups from the litter (my Maizy) in exchange for stud services. The mother is a Biewer yorkie (supposedly) and Maizy was the only one in the litter who was born with Biewer characteristics. So...I was told she would be very small...estimated 3 1/2 lbs full grown, and at 4 months, she's already 5 lbs. She's also shedding a lot, has straight, somewhat wiry hair and really, appears to be a Yorkie/Jack Russell mix rather than a Biewer. I'm considering doing a DNA on her and going after the breeder if she's not, but just don't have the finances for that at this time. Just wondering if anyone who has much experience with Biewers can tell me if they've seen one that resembles her. Regardless of what she is, I love her to bits and she's not going anywhere, I just want to know what she is.

If Maizy was the only one from the litter with "Biewer characteristics," which I take to mean color pattern, then no, she is not a Biewer. Biewers are their own breed, and are supposed to bred to other Biewers. All of the offspring should have Biewer characteristics. Do you know what the father looked like? DNA testing should only cost about $80 and would be well worth the expense if you can get your money back from the breeder. You have good reason to suspect that Maizy is not purebred. Here is a link to Wisdom Panel, which does breed testing:

Wisdom Panel® 2.0 | Wisdom Panel

They can distinguish purebred Biewers from Yorkshire Terriers, and can also detect if other dog breeds are in Maizy's background as well.

Sorry, looking at the Wisdom Panel website, it looks like only Wisdom Panel Professional checks for Biewer vs. Yorkshire Terrier differences. That test will be more expensive and would have to be done at a vet.

She's really, really cute, is what she is!!!!

I do agree with yorkie/jrt. Neither Biewers nor yorkies shed. I'm sorry it appears that you were lied to. :( but your baby is seriously gorgeous.

First ::::Welcome to YT, you have come to the right place to hopefully get answers to yorkie questions. I am not that knowledgeable about Biewer's I am my self recently doing research on them, they are not AKC accepted as I am sure you know. There are members that have much more info. on that matter.
Second... she is absolutely adorable, I agree with CARMEOW, Biewer's & Yorkies do NOT SHED. In my OWN PERSONAL OPINION, Maizy's face looks like a Jack Russell, My neighbor has a JR, Maizy has Biewer's coloring but not that yorkie face. I know that you love her and will keep her regardless, but DNA is good just to know what she is, and maybe this "breeder" or person that got the pup for stud payment can be held accountable for selling you a breed that is not a biewer. Good luck to you, and PLEASE keep us up dated.

First off why did the breeder not dock her tail? Sounds fishy to me. How much did you pay my biewer cost me $1800 they are not cheap.

I was under the impressiong that biewers had full tails.

You're right, their standard is for them to have a full tail not a docked one..

"TAIL: A complete tail, with lots of hair, carried slightly higher than the
level of the back". (Biewer Standard and History)

Yes your right they have a full tail I read some but not the whole thread I thought she was debating if it was biewer or parti yorkie. Now I saw she thinks it looks like a jack russel I guess DNA with wisdom panel will tell the results.

@EllaMaizysMom: Maizy is beautiful.

Check out http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/blo...-overview.html


The Biewer, named after the founder,originated in Germany in the mid 80's. Over the years they are selectively bred and a standard was set. The standard is similar to the Yorkie, but calls for specific color placement. White paws, tip of the tail, symetrical coloring on the head and face, etc and no docking of tail. It has been recognized as a separate breed by some organization and can be shown in some venues. Not in the AKC

Partis are tri-colored Yorkies. They can be registered with but not shown in AKC. Can be shown in some other venues. There is no standard set for them that allows for the non-standard coloring, but typically, most Parti breeders follow the YT standard with color as the exception.

Biewer info can be found here...

Biewer Breed Club of America

You can get more info on the Parti Yorkie here...

Yorkshire Terrier - PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB

And Yes Biewers have their tail and Parti Yorkies tails get docked

Thanks for all your responses...and all your kind compliments about Maizy (she is pretty darn cute, if I say so myself :p)!!

I just wanted to clarify one thing...Maizy's dad is a regular yorkie and the mother is the one who is the Biewer. I knew Maizy wasn't a pure Biewer, but seeing that both parents are Yorkies, I was told she would have the Yorkie features. I sent an email to the breeder yesterday stating what some of my concerns were and seeing if maybe there was a mixup somewhere (really, I gave her the chance to come clean). Her response was pretty nasty and defensive...which has raised some more red flags. I've asked for a picture of the mother just so I had an idea of what Maizy "could" look like and she always had an excuse for not being able to send me one. So, I'm going ahead with the DNA and will contact the CKC if indeed the results come back as anything other than a Biewer Yorkie. At the end of the day, I got a wonderful, rascally little girl who I adore and could care less about getting any money back. If this breeder knowingly sold me a pup that was something other than what I was told, she needs to be held accountable...it's the principle of it all that matters the most to me.

Let me start off saying I have a biewer she is registered with btra and a akc yorkie. We wanted to breed them, my mentor wasn't sure of the idea but we had family members lined up homes.im not able to register the pup because abviously she's a mut. That right biewers are a whole different breed than yorkies as I have learned on this site. Continental kennel club is a poor registry. They register muts all the time . You send in a picture if the dogs looks pure to there eyes they register, no pedigree needed. For all who knows could have been the neighbors dog. If she admitted that the dad is regular yorkie and mom biewer than your wisdom panel testing will still come back mix breed because biewers have whole different genetic. If it was biewer with biewer than she would be pure. If you report her to ckc I don't really think ckc would care they are just in it for the money, they might suspend her as a breeder or banned her but ckc is sush easy to get a new registration she might reapply under husbands name example. I think you have lost your money because basically she did tell you the dog was mix from the beginning saying mom biewer dad yorkie. You just dirint know then but she did say it was mixed in other words. My suggestion just love that puppy she's still cute. Sorry if I was too harsh. Just putting it out there. :animal36

Thanks for your advice. No, I didn't see that as harsh. I guess I don't have a full understanding of what a Biewer is exactly. She told me a Biewer is a Yorkie, just stalkier and with different colouring. Yes, I knew Maizy wasn't a purebred Biewer right from the start and have no problem with that. My issue is that I don't believe she has any Biewer in her at all and I suspect she's a Jack Russell/Yorkie mix. I don't care about the money, I just can't stand people who lie and scam people just to make a buck, and if that's what she did, I want her to be stopped from doing it to others. I just got another horrible email from her attacking and threatening me...if she had nothing to hide, she wouldn't be so defensive, right? Why, oh why do people have to be so mean and deceitful? Maizy is what she is; she's loved dearly and I believe she was brought into my life for a reason and am grateful to have her. If I was scammed, I just want to do what I can to ensure this lady is
stopped.

My jaw just hit the floor!!!! I just bought a Biewer YESTERDAY!! I was told that Biewers were Yorkies - I googled Biewers and the information I read said the samething, difference being they are "tri-colored".
Paci was in the same kennel as two teacup Yorkies. Because of my youngest two daughters, I bought the Biewer (5 1/2 lb as an adult) instead of the Teacup Yorkies (3 1/2 lbs as adults). I was afraid of the small size. Additionally, the Biewer was $1000 and a Teacup Yorkie was $2,500.
Are you saying that Biewers are NOT Yorkies?

For starters, I don't know how you could go about stopping her from selling dogs that aren't what she says they are. She will breed and breed and make a buck off of anyone who isn't aware of backyard breeder's tactics. That's what she is, a backyard breeder, and there are thousands more like her. Putting people in the same position you're in now.

What I would do is fill out as many different reviews on every website you can think of, warning people of what she is doing. If she has a website, you can go to the bottom of this web page and click edit tags. If you enter her name/kennel name as a tag, this thread will show up when people google her. Obviously you want to be sure of Maizy's DNA test before you out her breeder, but in order to stop her from getting business and scamming other people, you have to educate those people.

You should ALWAYS ALWAYS ask to see both parents in PERSON and a pedigree and AKC (BTRA/BBIR for Biewers).

I have learned my lesson about not researching breeders found on kijiji! Unfortunately, this situation has gone from bad to worse today; she has gone off the deep end, ranting and raving and made some pretty nasty threats to me today, for which I've now been in touch with the police about. The police asked me to document everything and if I notice anything out of the ordinary (such as slashed tires, etc) to come in and file a report on her. He told me I could report her to the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) but to be careful about posting her name online as she could come after me with a civil suit. It makes my heart hurt to know that there are these hateful kinds of people out there who are using animals, the innocent victims who have no voice, to satisfy their own greed...and continue to get away with it! So, even though it goes against my inner need to bring accountability to those who are dishonest and cheat people, I will run a DNA for my own peace of mind, but will not play with bullies, will let this go and just be thankful that I got to be this little girls mama!! In the end...I'm the winner cuz I've got the worlds cutest, craziest and naughtiest but sweetest little whatchamacallit breed!! :)

Wow I can't believe the breeder has come down to this. Make sure you print any email or text she has send you for your own records. I wish some recent posters would read this tread of researching breeders as to they think we are just making these situations up. We just comment to pass good knowledge.

I know, right? If it wasn't happening to me, I probably wouldn't believe it! lol I have been completely professional in all my correspondence to her and never, ever accused her of anything as I don't have any proof yet (I watch Judge Judy and know how this works and what not to say to make yourself look stupid!). Just asked if there was the possibility that there was a mixup somewhere along the lines or if she had any thoughts on everything. Never expected this! I like to keep my life drama free...it's why I have dogs!! :p

Drama is an understatement, it's obvious this woman is a scammer, trying to frighten & bully you. But you are better off just getting a DNA "for your self" and let that woman be. your lil whatchamacallit, is adorable, she will be your forever friend. There's enough stress you have to deal with on a day to day basis. Bringing a new baby into your life should be a joyful event, not what you are having to deal with. IF there is ever ANOTHER TIME, you will be more careful and have a wealth of knowledge from joining YT. (((hugs)))

This my 4th attempt to post today.. I'm hoping that it will go through ;). I've just written my 2nd introduction!

I THOUGHT I was buying a Biewer yesterday and replied to your post earlier and then called my buyer but it turns out I bought a Yorkie. I think your puppy is adorable! It reminds me of the terrier I had when I was pregnant with my 16 year old daughter...

BYW
If you see 2 introductions, that is why..

Exactly matese!! I kinda feel bad that there's all this drama over what Maizy is and the poor little girl just is who she is!
Thank you everyone for all your support and encouragement...what an amazing site and a lovely group of people! :)

Yorkie or Biewer...that is a beautiful little pup!! There is nothing on earth cuter than these little dogs!! And I'm not biased...AT ALL!! :D

Enjoy!!!

the DNA is just for you, so that you know if she's mixed with another breed or a yorkie. At this point your lil "whatchamacallit" has captured your heart, it doesn't matter at this point, for me, myself, I would like to know what breed or breeds she came from, I feel this info. will be helpful in understanding her personality. If she's mixed with jack Russell you can read up on that breed to see if lil "whatchamacallit" has any characteristics. DNA is just for you. Enjoy that lil girl

Thank you!

Jack Russell characteristics?? LOL...if being the naughtiest little dog on the block is a JR characteristic, then yup, she has 'em!! There is NOTHING this girl doesn't get in to. If she and her sister have bones, she'll hide hers and steal Ella's right out of her mouth, if the dishwasher is open, she's in there "cleaning" the dishes, if the garbage cupboard is open she's getting herself a "snack" and if I happen to leave my coat lying on a chair, she gets into my coat pocket pulls out a mint or a $20...doesn't matter to her, she'll eat both! :p
This is exactly why I want to know her breed...so I can prepare myself! LOL

Your girls are adorable! And I'm sorry to hear about your situation with that poor excuse of a "breeder". She'll get what's coming to her.

Yorkies are the same way, well my 3 girls were, and my newly adopted 2 y/o lil boy is no diff. Yorkies are mischievous lil imps, always looking for TROUBLE. watch out for tissues, napkins, toilet tissue, they'll rip it up into shreds, you'll be picking spit balls of paper out of your carpeting. They are so cute lol.

Did you get to see a pedigree?

A biewer bred to a Yorkie is a big no-no. No responsible registry will register this mix. If you think the dog is part JR terroir, I would do the DNA test?

Are you both in the same state? Take her to small claims court for your costs.