Chocolate yokie breeders

[StriRy]

Thank you! I appreciate it!
We are new to buying so I appreciate everyone's advice and tips!

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by gracielove

I realize people think that because they don't want a show quality dog that that is reason enough to purchase from the most convenient breeder they can find but that is far from the truth. If you want a mixed breed then you can find plenty of dogs out there that came about because the owners didn't take care of their responsibility. But purebreds are genetically manipulated creatures that only maintain their characteristics by continued stringent breeding practices.

While many here attack show/breeders for changing the standard and quality of some of the breeds there is far more of a problem with people who want to call themselves breeders and yet they have never taken the time to learn the genetic background of the poor souls they breed in order to make some money from the current demand for purebred dogs, in particular small breed dogs.

There are still many good breeders out there that do not cave into popular demand for a popular "look" in their breed. Not all judges are crooked and the genetics of purebred breeding never change. Either a breeder is concerned for the well being of the breed or they are not. A good breeder is not going to breed a dog that has faults that are completely against the standard of the breed. That is why good breeders have pet quality pups to sell. A good breeder breeds only those closest to the standard and they sell off those that have faults, hopefully with a spay/neuter contract to prevent those unscrupulous breeders from getting their hands on them.

There are plenty of websites out there made up of people who are offering off color Yorkies and selling them as though they were a rare and expensive type of Yorkie. If that is what you want to support then they are certainly available.

The best scientific evidence is that unusual colors in Yorkies such as parti-color, chocolate, and golden, were introduced from other breeds of dogs by crossbreeding Yorkies with other breeds that have these colors. The evidence is that the mutations responsible for these colors are very specific and are as unique as human fingerprints. The likelihood of the exact same mutation arising spontaneously in standard Yorkshire Terrier lines is vanishingly small. The AKC will only register standard color and parti-color Yorkshire Terriers, and the decision to allow the registration of parti-color Yorkshire Terriers predates genetic testing. I have no doubt that there are breeders of off-color Yorkies who are good people and who do health testing and do all of the other things that good breeders should do (except for breeding to breed standards). They can be very pretty dogs. I wouldn't call them purebred Yorkshire Terriers, but please go into this fully informed and with all of the information about what you are getting and what you are not getting.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by AtlYorkie

Well that's how I feel. That I don't know if I want to be on this website any more. And I like been on this website. But I don't like you having to say bad things to me every time I say some thing. You never say any thing good to me.

Well that's your choice no one can make you leave or stay.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by StriRy

Had I realized this was a hot topic I wouldn't have asked. I didn't want to start a debate just to get some breeders if anyone knew of one.

That said, I will say I do agree that you can find a good breeder who really cares about the pups they are breeding even if they are not breed standard. People like different looks and different colors. People who are looking for a pet not a show dog do not care about that stuff. I by no means support puppy mills or greeders producing sick puppies and selling them as healthy.

Our Riley is most likely inbred, oversized for the breed and has a caramel eye color that even the vets are amazed by. He is probably as far from show quality as yorkies get but guess what? We don't care! He is an amazing pet, loving, well tempered, healthy and just an all around joy to have. I would not love him any more if he was a top of the line show dog. I love him as he is. Just like we would love any other dog as they are.

Also, people who don't care about show quality can also care about not supporting puppy mills or who they buy a puppy from. We do not care about show but we certainty care who we buy from. McDonalds is most convenient way to feed my daughter, but that's not what I feed her.

That's why I am asking for people who know of a loving breeder who cares about their pups health. Those of you who answered that thank you so much for your help! I will check out all that you suggested!
I will be doing my research and making sure whoever we buy from has a good record, a cleAn facility, well taken care of pups. If we walk away with a Mutt, that's fine! we are looking for a great pet and it's genetics do not make a difference to us.

Oh, okay. Best of luck to you, and I hope you find what you're looking for!

[StriRy]

Thank you!
The reasons we want yorkies are pretty simple, they're adorable, they're small (we live in a condo), they don't shed and are hypoallergenic for the most part.
They're also great dogs and very smart!
Even though Riley is not from a good breeder (puppy mill- Karen Silkwood. He's a rescue from animal but his former owners turned over his paperwork) he is extremely intelligent! I always say if a dog could talk, Riley would be the one lol

[Lovetodream88]

If we are willing to let some off standard things be done when breeding who is the one to drawl the line and say we can do this off standard but not that?

[chachi]

I am mixed on this I believe good breeders breed for the standard because they want to produce a yorkie that looks like a yorkie is supposed to look like there are already alot of poorly bred yorkies. However these colors have been around a long time and they are not going anywhere and I cant blame people for liking and wanting them because they are unusual a nd who am I to tell anyone what they should like and what they should buy

[Lovetodream88]

I am sorry if some of my comments where offensive to some that was not my intention I just love this breed and don't want to see a disservice done to the breed. I also am leery of all breeders unless I myself have really researched them because I have often been tricked by certain people.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by StriRy

Thank you!
The reasons we want yorkies are pretty simple, they're adorable, they're small (we live in a condo), they don't shed and are hypoallergenic for the most part.
They're also great dogs and very smart!
Even though Riley is not from a good breeder (puppy mill- Karen Silkwood. He's a rescue from animal but his former owners turned over his paperwork) he is extremely intelligent! I always say if a dog could talk, Riley would be the one lol

I truly wish you the best of luck in your search! I just want to empathsize a point that was made earlier, you don't go to a show breeder to get as a pet owner a "show quality dog, you go for a number of reasons. To get as healthy a pet dog, that is of very sound temperament and structure, that is a good representative of the breed. You go there to support the breeders who do their darndest to breed to the standard and all that entails. If earset is slightly off, and bite, and tail-set, that puppy might be placed as a pet dog. But to the in-experienced eye, this dog will look amazing as an adult dog, be sound in body and in health and have the correct temperament to boot!

Just as a point of maybe interest to you, until I came to this board 4 or so years ago, I did not realize that there was such a huge divide between show breeders and non show breeders, in fact as a breeder of a rare-breed we are all Show Breeders! That was my experience until I came here.

I know of no Show Breeder of any purebred dog who would deliberately breed off standard colors of any breed. For it is our passion and our love and our commitment to breed to the Standard of our chosen breed.

[MauiGirl]

Originally Posted by StriRy

Thank you!
The reasons we want yorkies are pretty simple, they're adorable, they're small (we live in a condo), they don't shed and are hypoallergenic for the most part.
They're also great dogs and very smart!
Even though Riley is not from a good breeder (puppy mill- Karen Silkwood. He's a rescue from animal but his former owners turned over his paperwork) he is extremely intelligent! I always say if a dog could talk, Riley would be the one lol

There is so much talk about good breeder/bad breeder, but I think we should throw some light on being a good or bad pet owner. It is refreshing to hear people like you who love their pup unconditionally just as they are.

I feel the same way about my 4, regardless or who says whatever about them, they are my kids, my loves, and my whole life revolves around them.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by gemy

I truly wish you the best of luck in your search! I just want to empathsize a point that was made earlier, you don't go to a show breeder to get as a pet owner a "show quality dog, you go for a number of reasons. To get as healthy a pet dog, that is of very sound temperament and structure, that is a good representative of the breed. You go there to support the breeders who do their darndest to breed to the standard and all that entails. If earset is slightly off, and bite, and tail-set, that puppy might be placed as a pet dog. But to the in-experienced eye, this dog will look amazing as an adult dog, be sound in body and in health and have the correct temperament to boot!

Just as a point of maybe interest to you, until I came to this board 4 or so years ago, I did not realize that there was such a huge divide between show breeders and non show breeders, in fact as a breeder of a rare-breed we are all Show Breeders! That was my experience until I came here.

I know of no Show Breeder of any purebred dog who would deliberately breed off standard colors of any breed. For it is our passion and our love and our commitment to breed to the Standard of our chosen breed.

Very good Post here.

[lillymae]

To the OP, I am sorry if you feel ganged up on. I was not trying to start trouble for you , just stating a fact. I have nothing at all against any color of yorkie or any other dog, I in fact LOVE ALL dogs. I simply wanted you to know that no "Reputable" breeder will intentionally breed for an off color, so IF someone is intentionally breeding these colors then IMHO they are not "Reputable" I truly wish you much luck in your search for your new family member & I will Pray that he/she be a happy healthy pup for yrs to come.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by gemy

I truly wish you the best of luck in your search! I just want to empathsize a point that was made earlier, you don't go to a show breeder to get as a pet owner a "show quality dog, you go for a number of reasons. To get as healthy a pet dog, that is of very sound temperament and structure, that is a good representative of the breed. You go there to support the breeders who do their darndest to breed to the standard and all that entails. If earset is slightly off, and bite, and tail-set, that puppy might be placed as a pet dog. But to the in-experienced eye, this dog will look amazing as an adult dog, be sound in body and in health and have the correct temperament to boot!

Just as a point of maybe interest to you, until I came to this board 4 or so years ago, I did not realize that there was such a huge divide between show breeders and non show breeders, in fact as a breeder of a rare-breed we are all Show Breeders! That was my experience until I came here.

I know of no Show Breeder of any purebred dog who would deliberately breed off standard colors of any breed. For it is our passion and our love and our commitment to breed to the Standard of our chosen breed.

ave learned so much from you. To say you've earnest my deep respect and admiration is a huge understatement. It saddens me when you say there's a huge divide between show breeders and non show breeders. I am so in awe of breeders who put their heart and soul into raising healthy, well-bred pups with great temperaments, and they deserve our deepest respect.

I see that love and commitment when I look at my Katie. She is such a beautiful representation of a Yorkie, but it's not her beauty that really staggers me--it's her wonderful temperament. I will always be indebted to you and Jackie for bringing into our lives and also to Ilona who entrusted us with her very precious little girl. She most definitely epitomizes what an ethical breeder who puts her heart and soul into bettering the Yorkie breed is. Katie's confidence and love of life shows me that she was given so much love and attention and that he had a wonderful life before she joined our family. I wanted a Yorkie who was healthy, looked like the vision I had for a Yorkie, and had a good temperament, and with Katie I got that and so much more.

I've had Yorkies in my life for over thirty years, and I wish to preserve the breed as it is, so I understand the need to preserve the standard. The truth is that I'd love Katie no matter what she looked like. My last three Yorkie babies who all had the same sire had the "dreadful" baby-doll face, and I'd stare in awe of their beauty for hours, just as I do with Katie. Though they weren't true to standard because of their shorter muzzles, I loved their beautiful faces. Like Katie, they had wonderful Yorkie temperaments that I love. Katie represents years of blood, sweat, and tears to breed to better this precious breed, and I'm so grateful that there are people like Ilona who devote their lives to continuing to preserve this precious breed.

I've seen breeders of Parti-Yorkies here on YorkieTalk that are also very committed to their pups, and it upsets me greatly when people say they aren't reputable. A number of these breeders were very hurt by the negative comments, and either they left YT or have stopped posting for the most part. A little while after I joined, I followed the thread of a Parti breeder who had problems after a litter of her puppies were born. I read every post, and I could see her love and devotion to these babies and her beautiful little girl. To say that she was not a reputable breeder really hurt me inside. Sadly, she is no longer a member but two of those babies found homes with two very loved YT members. I never saw a Parti before then, but if I was ready for a Yorkie at the time, I would have loved one of those babies. They were given such a beautiful start in life from a family who loved them, and this special breeder did everything she could to produce and care for healthy babies.

I hope the OP finds a puppy. If a Chocolate Yorkie makes her happy and she carefully chooses her breeder, that's what matters. I still love that we have breeders who are striving to preserve the Yorkie standard and who breed for health and temperament. I personally owe them a lot, but I don't want to deny those who wish differently. I love all dogs.

[gracielove]

This discussion comes up in one vein or another frequently.

The breeding of purebred animals is not as simple as having two pretty dogs breed. It takes many years of selective breeding to establish a breed and it takes a ton of knowledge about genetics and continued selective breeding in order to continue to produce the characteristics of the breed. It is difficult, costly, and many times a frustrating and even heartbreaking endeavor to breed good quality, healthy purebred.

We see many very cute and lovable Yorkies that do not look like a purebred Yorkie is supposed to look. Floppy ears, off color, poor coat type. It doesn't mean they are not great pets, it just means the breeder did not have good breeding stock. Maybe they didn't know anything about genetics or maybe they just did not care to find out. You cannot continue to produce the type and characteristics of any breed without a extensive knowledge of genetics and the history of the breed. A person who does not care to learn these things will only be able to reproduce the breed characteristics for one or two generations at best and when breeding pet stock not even that.

I grew up with family members that were show/breeders. I used to show/breed purebred cats. I have seen the good, bad and ugly of both areas. I have great respect for those who take the time to study their craft and do not cave into pressure to exploit their breed by taking short cuts or breeding to satisfy a current trend.

If we did not have breed standards to go by we would not even have the purebreds we love. If we do not support the people who have the knowledge and principles to continue breeding happy, healthy, representatives of our breeds then we will have to settle for something other than the breed we wanted.

Maybe the OP can find a nice brown Yorkie. I hope she will be careful about anyone who advertises off colored Yorkies as rare or exotic because that is just untrue. They are uncommon because they are not an approved color. A brown Yorkie should cost the same as their standard color Yorkies. I am not trying to insult anyone's brown Yorkie, just trying to explain the objection to that kind of breeding.

Just be careful. If the breeder is deliberately breeding dogs with color faults then what other faults are in those dog's genetics and being doubled down on by breeding them?

[Teegy]

and don't get charged a bucket of money for a chocolate yorkie either, it sounds to me like your decision is really made already. Wanda has a gorgeous healthy baby, Hi Oscar you sweetie.