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dawn27 · 02-03-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiefan_

I definitely agree on this point. Cookie had no problems with her wire cage (with a nice thick bed so she never had to lay on or walk on wire) other than the first night, whereas she hated sleeping in her travel crate the nights I tried it instead. It's funny though, she will often go lay down in the travel crate to take a nap (I leave it out on the floor for her so she can have her own room all to herself).

I guess our pups know what they like and what they don't, whatever works!

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Originally Posted by LoriML

Thanks all! He did have 2 better nights than Friday. Some whining, but not he intense barking like he was starting. I used a cover and had the crate in the living room during the day and moved it to the bedroom at night. Best of both worlds I suppose. Maybe I'll eventually get another so he can one in both places.

I am very pleased that your pups has done better !!

lisa89 · 02-07-2014, 10:03 AM

Tonight will be our 7th night with Miss Ellie. Last night was our worst with her. We have been doing the kennel thing. We want it to work!!! She would go in there on her own at first. Last night she would not. Her night routine has been in bed with me while I watch tv for awhile, she fell asleep. Would go in her kennel when TV went off. First night she cried for 35 mins, then fell asleep. Woke up 12:30 to go out, then another 20 mins of crying. Repeat...each night seemed to get better with less crying/barking/whining. except last night. In kennel at 10:00, not a peep...up at 12:30, took her out, didn't pee...then barked cried etc for 30 mins... didn't want to do it but I caved....put her in my bed to settle her down for 5 mins or so...back in kennel...cried for another 1/2 hour...was quiet for about 2 mins & I thought we were good but nope. The next hour I tried different things. I left her kennel door open but she just cried & wanted to be on my bed. Would not do it. She then REFUSED to go in her kennel. So I finally had enough and it had been 2 hours (did try outside again w/ no luck too) so in the kennel she went (kind of forced her in, another thing I did NOT want to do) and left her & I went on the couch. She basically went nuts w/ more barking then whining. My husband couldn't deal with it cause he needed to sleep so let her out....she found me on the couch & I totally ignored her but she slept by me on the couch for 4 hours.

Are we doomed for getting her back in the crate??? Today has been terrible as well for potty training cause I think her schedule is messed up. Plus I am not a happy camper and I'm sure she senses it. I haven't been MEAN to her cause I'm trying to do all the right things as i've been reading but dang it! It's hard! I am home with her all day & so she follows me around & is always right next to me. She wanted to sit on my lap as I type this, but I ignored her, she is by my feet though.

This is so hard because w/ potty training we are suppose to keep eyes on them 100% of the time, but yet I think she is getting so attached to me that if I am away she cries. A couple of days she cried the whole time I was in the shower.

We need her to love her kennel!!! (This morning I left for about 1/2 hour to take kids to school) She was in her kennel & cried the whole time I am pretty sure. She was doing it when I got home.

It's only been a week so I HOPE we can change things around. HELP!!

She is 3 mos old (born Nov 6)

dawn27 · 02-08-2014, 10:53 AM

Wow... makes me tired just ready it !

We've all been there at one point in our lives with our little ones. I suggest stick with it, plus keeping her safe and sticking to a routine will be so much worth it in the end. I know it isn't easy by any means and each pup react differently than the next but you can not give in. Try making sure she gets tons of play time during the day to run off some of that energy and putting her in her cage for naps throughout the day to get her use to being in there.

Is her cage in your bedroom at night and in the main living area during the day?

If not I would suggest doing that. They need to be near their humans in order to feel secure and safe.

lisa89 · 02-08-2014, 11:14 AM

Yes the kennel is in our room at night and in living room during the day. She will not go in there and lay down. She likes the couch.

Last night I had her in our bed for about 15 mins, then to her kennel. She slept for just over an hour and cried. Took her outside but she didn't do anything. Brought back into our room, this time let her sleep in bed with us ( which is fine worth us) . She slept for 8 hours!!!! Probably would have gone longer but I got up.

So explain how she had been able to hold it for 9 hours last night while the other 6 nights in her kennel she couldn't??

gracielove · 02-08-2014, 12:54 PM

Crating should not be used as a punishment. He should be in the crate when you are not home but when you are home he needs to be with his people. If you are concerned about accidents then tether him to you so you don't forget to get him to the potty in time.

I don't know how old he is but obviously he is still a pup. A pup does not learn anything in a crate. The more interaction you can have with him the faster he will learn. Don't give him full run of the house, just the room you are in at the time and if he is under 5 months you should always have him close to a puppy pad since their ability to actually hold back bladder and bowel function does not start to develop until around 16 weeks. They just can't hold it long enough to get to a potty that is very far away so it is really up to you to prevent accidents.

It can be a trial to train a pup but if you do it well it will only have to be done once with a few minor brush ups. You may have to spend extra time working with him now while he is young but it will pay off later when he is mature.

yorkiefan_ · 02-08-2014, 01:05 PM

You cannot give in, Lisa. It may take a few days and your pup will probably resist like hell (Cook did initially), but you have to just let them cry and complain. The crate is the safest place a young yorkie could be at night. You don't have to work about stepping on her If you get up in the night, and I think it helps with the potty training too since she will cry to pee/poop. It lets her know to give you a verbal request, since pups don't like crapping where they sleep for the most part. I know it's so hard to hear those cries from a pup you so deeply love, but it's what made things work with my Cookie.

dawn27 · 02-08-2014, 01:43 PM

[QUOTE=lisa89;4388278]Yes the kennel is in our room at night and in living room during the day. She will not go in there and lay down. She likes the couch.

Last night I had her in our bed for about 15 mins, then to her kennel. She slept for just over an hour and cried. Took her outside but she didn't do anything. Brought back into our room, this time let her sleep in bed with us ( which is fine worth us) . She slept for 8 hours!!!! Probably would have gone longer but I got up.

So explain how she had been able to hold it for 9 hours last night while the other 6 nights in her kennel she couldn't??[/QUOTE]

*Honestly, if it were me I would not allow her on the couch. Reason being that she could try and get down and break a leg or a hip. Believe me it happens and it happened to one of my puppies after leaving our home. At the age of 5 months old she had to have surgery to repair her broken hip after jumping off of a recliner. Please never leave her unattended when she is on the couch.

Do you have a set cut off time for both food and water, if not you should. And when and if she gets up for a potty break do not allow her to go to the water bowel, put her straight back into her crate but only after you have gave her praise for going potty. Mine get no food or water after 9pm and go our one last time around midnight.

Please don't think that I am being mean or beating up on you sort of speak. Crate training is not for everyone and it does made for some major sleep depravity but it can be so worth it when you finally have a potty trained pup in the end. I just would hate to see your baby get hurt even though that is the last thing that you would ever intend on happening. Its really hard to resist letting her in your bed and that is totally up to you. I myself have never allowed our pups at such a young age sleep with us. It so unsafe, for the same reason we don't allow them on our couch at that age. We did have them in our bed for a cuddle but than they had to be in their cage/crate in our bedroom for bed time. So, if crate training is not for you and you do decide to have her in your bed, Please have her in a dog bed with high sides and in the middle. If that is what it takes for you and your family to not go insane than do it. But I would strongly suggest working with her getting her use to her cage during the days when no one in home or sleeping.

akaryendy · 02-09-2014, 01:08 PM

We don't crate our 16 months old puppy Oliver. He has his own "den" where we just put up little baby proof gate so he moves around and play a bit but can't run around the house and gets in trouble when unsupervised. He has his food, water, bed and puppy pad in there. He seems fine with it in the past few days (we have had him for only 5 days) but one morning my fiancé happened to wake up before 6 am and he let Oliver out to play, now the boy just wants to come out at that time and barks like crazy in the morning. Should we ignore him?

gracielove · 02-09-2014, 03:54 PM

Many people use puppy play pens rather than the small crate. A playpen means they have room for a bed, toys, food and a puppy pad in a secure frame. It is much easier on everyone. A young pup has to potty frequently. A good breeder has their pups trained to puppy pads by the time they are ready to go to their new homes. That way you do not have to be on 24/7 guard watching for every pee and poo.

The baby slept through the night with you because that is what she is familiar with. She slept with her mom and litter mates from the time she was born. Dogs naturally sleep on each other, it is instinctive. They maintain body warmth that way. Their body temp goes down when they are not moving around so being close to another body helps them to be warm and cozy. Now you are her family and she will naturally bond with you.

Yorkies tend to bond closely with their people. Even though they are feisty little dogs they are very sensitive emotionally.

Your pup is not going to have good bladder and bowel control for at least another month so try not to get too frustrated. Having a puppy playpen that is a place your pup enjoys s something that could help you through puppyhood.

Your pup IS going to get very attached to you. It is just how they are. There is nothing you can do about that. Most people like that aspect of dog ownership.

You will find that giving a small healthy treat as a reward when she goes potty in the right place will help motivate her with her training.

My Gracie slept in bed with me from the first night. She had a secure area for when I had to be away. I would have gone nuts if I could not leave her because she was in a little crate with no potty area. It is hard work training a puppy but it should not mean sleepless nights and confinement for the first couple of months.

LoriML · 02-09-2014, 07:48 PM

Lisa,

I'm still having a harder time than I expected with Maverick, but I'm sticking to it and hope you can too! He'll do really well for a night or two, then have a really hard night again, and back and forth. Even with him by my bed at night, he's still not happy sometimes but I'm not allowing him on my bed, it's too tall. I bring him out at night every couple hours when he gets barking or whining alot so he can go potty, but it's back in the crate after that. No play time or too much snuggle time, because I don't want to reinforce the behavior I'm trying to curb. After going potty and barking about 3 times in 2 hours last night, I finally put in ear plugs and ignored him. I could still hear him but it took the edge off so I could sleep. He slept 3 hours after that. I would think he'd be able to hold his bladder at night more than 3-6 hours at 17 weeks, but I'd rather get up with him than him potty in the crate! He was able to hold it longer when he was younger, so I think it's less having to pee, than just wanting up. But I don't want accidents in the crate, so we go potty anyway.

Here's hoping for a good night's rest for both of us!

02-08-2014, 10:53 AM	#18
dawn27 2+2=4 X the Love ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bean Town Ohio Posts: 9,456 Blog Entries: 1	Wow... makes me tired just ready it ! We've all been there at one point in our lives with our little ones. I suggest stick with it, plus keeping her safe and sticking to a routine will be so much worth it in the end. I know it isn't easy by any means and each pup react differently than the next but you can not give in. Try making sure she gets tons of play time during the day to run off some of that energy and putting her in her cage for naps throughout the day to get her use to being in there. Is her cage in your bedroom at night and in the main living area during the day? If not I would suggest doing that. They need to be near their humans in order to feel secure and safe. __________________ Mommy to: Quincy, & Ruby Bella / Miah & Brandi Gone but Never Forgotten Visit: Bella Dawns for all of your Custom Pet Wear needs.

02-08-2014, 01:05 PM	#21
yorkiefan_ I ♥ my Cookie Monster! Donating Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Texas Posts: 3,007	You cannot give in, Lisa. It may take a few days and your pup will probably resist like hell (Cook did initially), but you have to just let them cry and complain. The crate is the safest place a young yorkie could be at night. You don't have to work about stepping on her If you get up in the night, and I think it helps with the potty training too since she will cry to pee/poop. It lets her know to give you a verbal request, since pups don't like crapping where they sleep for the most part. I know it's so hard to hear those cries from a pup you so deeply love, but it's what made things work with my Cookie. __________________ Cookie ;;; RIP Minnie Last edited by yorkiefan_; 02-08-2014 at 01:07 PM.

02-08-2014, 01:43 PM	#22
dawn27 2+2=4 X the Love ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bean Town Ohio Posts: 9,456 Blog Entries: 1	[QUOTE=lisa89;4388278]Yes the kennel is in our room at night and in living room during the day. She will not go in there and lay down. She likes the couch. Last night I had her in our bed for about 15 mins, then to her kennel. She slept for just over an hour and cried. Took her outside but she didn't do anything. Brought back into our room, this time let her sleep in bed with us ( which is fine worth us) . She slept for 8 hours!!!! Probably would have gone longer but I got up. So explain how she had been able to hold it for 9 hours last night while the other 6 nights in her kennel she couldn't??[/QUOTE] Honestly, if it were me I would not allow her on the couch. Reason being that she could try and get down and break a leg or a hip. Believe me it happens and it happened to one of my puppies after leaving our home. At the age of 5 months old she had to have surgery to repair her broken hip after jumping off of a recliner. Please never leave her unattended when she is on the couch. Do you have a set cut off time for both food and water, if not you should. And when and if she gets up for a potty break do not allow her to go to the water bowel, put her straight back into her crate but only after you have gave her praise for going potty. Mine get no food or water after 9pm and go our one last time around midnight. Please don't think that I am being mean or beating up on you sort of speak. Crate training is not for everyone and it does made for some major sleep depravity but it can be so worth it when you finally have a potty trained pup in the end. I just would hate to see your baby get hurt even though that is the last thing that you would ever intend on happening. Its really hard to resist letting her in your bed and that is totally up to you. I myself have never allowed our pups at such a young age sleep with us. It so unsafe, for the same reason we don't allow them on our couch at that age. We did have them in our bed for a cuddle but than they had to be in their cage/crate in our bedroom for bed time. So, if crate training is not for you and you do decide to have her in your bed, Please have her in a dog bed with high sides and in the middle. If that is what it takes for you and your family to not go insane than do it. But I would strongly suggest working with her getting her use to her cage during the days when no one in home or sleeping. __________________ Mommy to: Quincy, & Ruby Bella / Miah & Brandi Gone but Never Forgotten Visit: Bella Dawns* for all of your Custom Pet Wear needs.

02-09-2014, 01:08 PM	#23
akaryendy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sunrise, FL Posts: 56	We don't crate our 16 months old puppy Oliver. He has his own "den" where we just put up little baby proof gate so he moves around and play a bit but can't run around the house and gets in trouble when unsupervised. He has his food, water, bed and puppy pad in there. He seems fine with it in the past few days (we have had him for only 5 days) but one morning my fiancé happened to wake up before 6 am and he let Oliver out to play, now the boy just wants to come out at that time and barks like crazy in the morning. Should we ignore him? Last edited by akaryendy; 02-09-2014 at 01:13 PM.

02-07-2014, 10:03 AM	#17
lisa89 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: MN Posts: 7	Tonight will be our 7th night with Miss Ellie. Last night was our worst with her. We have been doing the kennel thing. We want it to work!!! She would go in there on her own at first. Last night she would not. Her night routine has been in bed with me while I watch tv for awhile, she fell asleep. Would go in her kennel when TV went off. First night she cried for 35 mins, then fell asleep. Woke up 12:30 to go out, then another 20 mins of crying. Repeat...each night seemed to get better with less crying/barking/whining. except last night. In kennel at 10:00, not a peep...up at 12:30, took her out, didn't pee...then barked cried etc for 30 mins... didn't want to do it but I caved....put her in my bed to settle her down for 5 mins or so...back in kennel...cried for another 1/2 hour...was quiet for about 2 mins & I thought we were good but nope. The next hour I tried different things. I left her kennel door open but she just cried & wanted to be on my bed. Would not do it. She then REFUSED to go in her kennel. So I finally had enough and it had been 2 hours (did try outside again w/ no luck too) so in the kennel she went (kind of forced her in, another thing I did NOT want to do) and left her & I went on the couch. She basically went nuts w/ more barking then whining. My husband couldn't deal with it cause he needed to sleep so let her out....she found me on the couch & I totally ignored her but she slept by me on the couch for 4 hours. Are we doomed for getting her back in the crate??? Today has been terrible as well for potty training cause I think her schedule is messed up. Plus I am not a happy camper and I'm sure she senses it. I haven't been MEAN to her cause I'm trying to do all the right things as i've been reading but dang it! It's hard! I am home with her all day & so she follows me around & is always right next to me. She wanted to sit on my lap as I type this, but I ignored her, she is by my feet though. This is so hard because w/ potty training we are suppose to keep eyes on them 100% of the time, but yet I think she is getting so attached to me that if I am away she cries. A couple of days she cried the whole time I was in the shower. We need her to love her kennel!!! (This morning I left for about 1/2 hour to take kids to school) She was in her kennel & cried the whole time I am pretty sure. She was doing it when I got home. It's only been a week so I HOPE we can change things around. HELP!! She is 3 mos old (born Nov 6)

02-08-2014, 11:14 AM	#19
lisa89 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: MN Posts: 7	Yes the kennel is in our room at night and in living room during the day. She will not go in there and lay down. She likes the couch. Last night I had her in our bed for about 15 mins, then to her kennel. She slept for just over an hour and cried. Took her outside but she didn't do anything. Brought back into our room, this time let her sleep in bed with us ( which is fine worth us) . She slept for 8 hours!!!! Probably would have gone longer but I got up. So explain how she had been able to hold it for 9 hours last night while the other 6 nights in her kennel she couldn't??

02-08-2014, 12:54 PM	#20
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	Crating should not be used as a punishment. He should be in the crate when you are not home but when you are home he needs to be with his people. If you are concerned about accidents then tether him to you so you don't forget to get him to the potty in time. I don't know how old he is but obviously he is still a pup. A pup does not learn anything in a crate. The more interaction you can have with him the faster he will learn. Don't give him full run of the house, just the room you are in at the time and if he is under 5 months you should always have him close to a puppy pad since their ability to actually hold back bladder and bowel function does not start to develop until around 16 weeks. They just can't hold it long enough to get to a potty that is very far away so it is really up to you to prevent accidents. It can be a trial to train a pup but if you do it well it will only have to be done once with a few minor brush ups. You may have to spend extra time working with him now while he is young but it will pay off later when he is mature.

02-09-2014, 03:54 PM	#24
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	Many people use puppy play pens rather than the small crate. A playpen means they have room for a bed, toys, food and a puppy pad in a secure frame. It is much easier on everyone. A young pup has to potty frequently. A good breeder has their pups trained to puppy pads by the time they are ready to go to their new homes. That way you do not have to be on 24/7 guard watching for every pee and poo. The baby slept through the night with you because that is what she is familiar with. She slept with her mom and litter mates from the time she was born. Dogs naturally sleep on each other, it is instinctive. They maintain body warmth that way. Their body temp goes down when they are not moving around so being close to another body helps them to be warm and cozy. Now you are her family and she will naturally bond with you. Yorkies tend to bond closely with their people. Even though they are feisty little dogs they are very sensitive emotionally. Your pup is not going to have good bladder and bowel control for at least another month so try not to get too frustrated. Having a puppy playpen that is a place your pup enjoys s something that could help you through puppyhood. Your pup IS going to get very attached to you. It is just how they are. There is nothing you can do about that. Most people like that aspect of dog ownership. You will find that giving a small healthy treat as a reward when she goes potty in the right place will help motivate her with her training. My Gracie slept in bed with me from the first night. She had a secure area for when I had to be away. I would have gone nuts if I could not leave her because she was in a little crate with no potty area. It is hard work training a puppy but it should not mean sleepless nights and confinement for the first couple of months.

02-09-2014, 07:48 PM	#25
LoriML Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Mexico Posts: 42	Lisa, I'm still having a harder time than I expected with Maverick, but I'm sticking to it and hope you can too! He'll do really well for a night or two, then have a really hard night again, and back and forth. Even with him by my bed at night, he's still not happy sometimes but I'm not allowing him on my bed, it's too tall. I bring him out at night every couple hours when he gets barking or whining alot so he can go potty, but it's back in the crate after that. No play time or too much snuggle time, because I don't want to reinforce the behavior I'm trying to curb. After going potty and barking about 3 times in 2 hours last night, I finally put in ear plugs and ignored him. I could still hear him but it took the edge off so I could sleep. He slept 3 hours after that. I would think he'd be able to hold his bladder at night more than 3-6 hours at 17 weeks, but I'd rather get up with him than him potty in the crate! He was able to hold it longer when he was younger, so I think it's less having to pee, than just wanting up. But I don't want accidents in the crate, so we go potty anyway. Here's hoping for a good night's rest for both of us!