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01-19-2014, 10:50 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: omaha,ne,usa
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| My one year old crazy for 2 week old pups...wants to nurse them.. When the pups were born the mother growled if her one year old daughter came too close to whelping box. The one year old would sit nearby as If guarding. Then she started scratching and nesting. She had gone into heat a few weeks after the mother but was not bread and is not pregnant. At some point the mother allowed her into the whelping box it is covered and I did not expect it nor realize it at first. Since the first time i found her in there i have repeatedly pulled her out. however she seems crazy about the pups and when I try to lock her away she scratches the door barKs and wihines. So today when we found her in the whelping box with a pup latched on. My son pulled her off and said the pups mouth looked like it had milk on it. So I checked and sure enough she has milk. So now I am wondering if this is something anyone else has delt with and what did you do. The mother seems content to share the whelping box with the one year old. There are 5 puppies and the mother is a 5 lb dog. She has been leaving the whelping box quite a bit. But the one year old would like to be in kennel all the time. I am having difficulty keeping her out. So my question is should I up her food and supplements as the moms and just let her help with the babies? I jUst don't know what to do for sure as the mom seems completely happy to share the litter. They both lick and clean them and it seems the are both nursing them as well as they both get anxious when separated from the pups but the one year old more so. Thanks |
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01-19-2014, 11:15 AM | #2 |
Don't Litter Spay&Neuter Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal
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| Maybe having this thread moved to the Breeder section will help...hopefully you'll get responses from experienced breeders. I surely am not educated on this matter, but I always thought intact females should never be allowed other female's pups. They can hurt them, even kill them. But in your case I guess it's different bc it's Mom & daughter?
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01-19-2014, 11:22 AM | #3 |
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| I do not breed dogs but often take in pregnant stray and feral dogs and cats. I once had a spayed female cat that would allow another cat's kittens to suckle. They couldn't get anything but they tried. Those pups need their mom's milk so make sure they have been well fed before they go to their nanny. A helper can be useful to a tired mamma as long as the babies are getting well fed. |
01-19-2014, 11:24 AM | #4 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: omaha,ne,usa
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| Not sure how to move a post to breeders.. I am very new to forum. This is my second thread and I cannot seem to figure things out very well just yet. Thanks |
01-19-2014, 12:09 PM | #5 |
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| My mothers and their litters are isolated from all other dogs. No other dogs are allowed inside the whelping box or near the mothers and their babies. I just think this causes unnecessary stress on the mommas, and confuses the other dogs. Additionally, the other dogs are allowed outside in my yard, and the pups are unvaccinated so I do not want to risk any of the other dogs bringing any diseases around the babies. I had a female that was very nervous and if she got upset or nervous, she would start to kill her puppies. Well it didnt take me long to develop an intolerance (hormone inbalance was first excuse, second litter was another dog got too close to the whelping box and she was stressed out....) for that and I retired her after the second litter, so I really appreciate the problem some moms have with other dogs intruding around the babies, sires included. It is easier for me and my mind to keep mommas and their babies away from the other dogs.... |
01-19-2014, 12:33 PM | #6 |
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| I was going to ask why the other dog was even near the momma and pups. That's a big risk and you're lucky momma didn't kill or eat the pups... No other dogs are near my momma dog and her pups. They can scratch and whine all they want, but they're staying in a separate space!! I'm also curious to know how she has milk, unless she herself is pregnant, or recently had a litter?? I would not encourage the nursing. In fact, I would have her vet checked, as it may be a sign something is wrong, such as a hormone imbalance or even cancer.
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01-19-2014, 01:01 PM | #7 | |
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We were lucky and had no mishaps and have not had it happen again. Please do be careful cause what the others say can happen. Good Luck.
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01-19-2014, 06:52 PM | #8 |
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| As I said I do not have experience raising purebred dogs but I do have many years experience taking care of other's cast offs, purebred, mixed breed, and feral. I have never encountered a mother dog that would harm it's young even under stressful conditions. I have always provided quiet safe conditions for my mom's but sadly many dogs have to give birth to their young and care for them under very crowded and stressful conditions. Those little troopers do what they need to in order to care for their young. Any mother dog that is so high strung that she would harm her young should not be used for breeding. Of course you want to be sensitive to your mother dog. Is she is stressed by her older pup being around the new pups then you need to make sure you keep the older pup away. There is the possibility of the pup going into a false pregnancy especially since she was recently in heat and seems so determined to want puppies. That would be my concern after the mother's comfort. Oh, I did see an animal kill it's young once. It was a hamster whose babies babies fell out of the nest. But that was a rodent. |
01-19-2014, 09:10 PM | #9 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: omaha,ne,usa
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| Thank you for all of your responses. The mother and daughter are both very relaxed. They are my only dogs. The only time pup got stressed was when I locked her away from the family. That played out with peeing and pooping in the house and crying ...but she has never liked being alone. There is now no stress from either one thank goodness but I understand your concern. I have relocated them to a room where I have large kennel so I can shut Minnie mom out but still be in same room when I'm not supervising. This seems to have helped. A few years ago I had one of my dogs adopt a baby kitten. The dog was 5 years old and never had a pregnancy. The kitten suckled and very quickly my dog developed milk and she nursed that kitten for quite some time. My one year old did not seem to have false pregnancy. She did just recently seem to have a hormone surge but I think it was after the suckling and milk came in. but I'm not an expert. They are both sweet and calm girls and through the day today they have seemed to tag team the mothering. Most of the nursing is mom and daughter does the bottom licking. No one is stressed or killing. But I still don't leave the daughter with family un supervised nor at night. And mom seems very content to share the load. Thanks everyone. |
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