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Old 01-11-2014, 07:00 PM   #1
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I have a 2yr old named Milo who has begun to exhibit behaviors in the last few months that never occurred before. He has become terribly clingy lately. He follows me everywhere.
-I sit on the couch, he sits right next to the couch
-Going to the bathroom, he follows but does not enter and does a myriad of things in no particular order, heads to his food and water (not far from the bathroom), paces by the bathroom door, sits and watches me (sometimes accompanied by some barking, especially if I close the door)
- I go to the kitchen, he follows and watches from the entry (he's not allowed in the kitchen)
-I go in the basement, he stops at the top of the stairs and listens for me (he's not allowed in the basement unless we're getting ready for his walk)
- I move, he's clearly sleep, he hears me leave, HE'S COMING half sleep and stumbling, C'mon!
You get the drift...
Furthermore, when my friend comes over, he ditches ME in favor of following her everywhere. Now this I have mixed feelings about because well, one I get a break, two she is known to feed him tasty morsels from whatever she is eating (something I heavily restrict, but she could care less about), and three she allows him to do whatever he wants, despite my disagreement with that....He is just super glued to her. It then gets difficult to get him to listen to me, I have to call him twice, and if I ask him to do something he looks conflicted as to whether he should leave her and do as I ask. A few times he has gotten halfway to me and ran back to her, like he needed protection! My friend thinks it is absolutely hilarious. My dog is such a trader....

Now with my roomie, he barely exhibits much shadowing at all, maybe to the kitchen, but he is greedy. He does "visit" her, and that is usually when she has made a sound loud enough to catch his attention, so he checks on her and will usually stay a while. In the last few weeks he has taken up the hobby of licking her constantly too (of all the places, her elbows?). Now that sounds weird & sweet, but he breaks up his "visit" with constant checks on me, as if I will die without him (I forgot to mention he does this checking when he has been with my friend too, except they are more like peeks, can't be away from his girlfriend too long ). Often I catch him sitting on the stairs (where he has a good view of everything) just staring at me through the railings, like some creepy stalker. My friend jokes that he has "dagger eyes". I find myself laughing sometimes, but mostly just plain annoyed, especially when during a "check" he barks at me. I feel like he's saying, "hey I'm right here, look at me", but I'm like who's the boss you or me.

So I guess I will end with what worries me.
I'm not truly his pack leader, my commands should be followed always, right??
The excessive following is his way of controlling me
He loves my friend more than me because I'm the "mean parent"
I am reinforcing bad behavior...feels like it...
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Old 01-11-2014, 07:06 PM   #2
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I feel ya there. I try hard not to feed mine bad food, keep off the couch, don't jump off high spots, etc. Oh but when BIL comes home the dogs go crazy and follow him everywhere! Maybe it's bc he feeds them the good stuff even though i ask him not to. He even does it in front of me. I tell him don't give them that cheese. He says it's only a tiny bit. My tiny bit is not the same as what he thinks is a tiny bit.

I told him, if the dog's get sick bc I found out you gave them something, you are paying the bill!

Apparently last week he left out a bag of peanuts. Well my little trash digger Toto found it, and he ate up god knows how many. He pooped out straight peanuts for three and a half days. Straight up fun size Payday bars coming out his bum! Good thing he did not get sick, but I was livid.

If your guests can't respect your wishes, then maybe it's time you went over to their place. Or maybe get new guests? LOL

ETA: What I mean is, it's hard enough to train a dog as it is. It's even harder when he gets different commands from different people. Yes he will look at it like he has no pack leader and he will step up into the role. That's when a big problem can crop up.
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The pack leader things isn't what they thought it was and has been debunked. Callie always does this with me wanting to know where I am and wants to see me at all times. I would worry about your friend giving him food because there are a lot of foods that are toxic or can just really hurt your dog. Things that are very fatty can make him very sick. Grapes, raisins, chocolate, onions garlic and many more things are toxic and should NEVER be given to a dog. Personally if my friend did this when I said no I would either not have this friend come over or put your dog in a play pen or in the bedroom until shes leaves. An er vet visit for pancreatitis or even just a very bad upset stomach can run in the thousands.
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While I know you (Taylor) are talking about the whole Cesar Milan thing, I do agree with you that his alpha dog teachings were too severe, and not good for laypeople to think they could do. However i do believe that dogs, esp ones with certain personalities do need a pack leader. I've fostered many dogs and know that they all have different needs. Some have totally needed to have to be told to do or not do something, and others that have taken it upon themselves to make that decision.

For the OP, I agree with you. If you owner of the dog and the house does not want their guests to do certain things, they should obey their wishes. Simple as that.
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While I know you (Taylor) are talking about the whole Cesar Milan thing, I do agree with you that his alpha dog teachings were too severe, and not good for laypeople to think they could do. However i do believe that dogs, esp ones with certain personalities do need a pack leader. I've fostered many dogs and know that they all have different needs. Some have totally needed to have to be told to do or not do something, and others that have taken it upon themselves to make that decision.

For the OP, I agree with you. If you owner of the dog and the house does not want their guests to do certain things, they should obey their wishes. Simple as that.
Brit posted a video about studies debunking the alpha dog thing and not just Cesar. Maybe she will see this and post it.
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While I know you (Taylor) are talking about the whole Cesar Milan thing, I do agree with you that his alpha dog teachings were too severe, and not good for laypeople to think they could do. However i do believe that dogs, esp ones with certain personalities do need a pack leader. I've fostered many dogs and know that they all have different needs. Some have totally needed to have to be told to do or not do something, and others that have taken it upon themselves to make that decision.

For the OP, I agree with you. If you owner of the dog and the house does not want their guests to do certain things, they should obey their wishes. Simple as that.
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Shadowing is normal. Yorkies are very social animals and like activity. My boys want to be near me almost always, partly for the company, but mostly so that they don't miss out on anything -- like a potential outing. They also like being close to their grandpa and have their little things with him.

If this behavior is new for your boy, I would rule out a potential health problem, just to be safe. Max got really clingy but was otherwise normal (eating and active) when I discovered he had an eye ulcer.
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I feel ya there. I try hard not to feed mine bad food, keep off the couch, don't jump off high spots, etc. Oh but when BIL comes home the dogs go crazy and follow him everywhere! Maybe it's bc he feeds them the good stuff even though i ask him not to. He even does it in front of me. I tell him don't give them that cheese. He says it's only a tiny bit. My tiny bit is not the same as what he thinks is a tiny bit.

I told him, if the dog's get sick bc I found out you gave them something, you are paying the bill!

Apparently last week he left out a bag of peanuts. Well my little trash digger Toto found it, and he ate up god knows how many. He pooped out straight peanuts for three and a half days. Straight up fun size Payday bars coming out his bum! Good thing he did not get sick, but I was livid.

If your guests can't respect your wishes, then maybe it's time you went over to their place. Or maybe get new guests? LOL

ETA: What I mean is, it's hard enough to train a dog as it is. It's even harder when he gets different commands from different people. Yes he will look at it like he has no pack leader and he will step up into the role. That's when a big problem can crop up.
This was a big issue for us. It was one of the reasons Kaji was so fat when we lived in an apt with my parents. I did have to have a home meeting and explain why I am so strict with Kaji and why I have so many rules. My parents and brothers eventually followed suit and saw a positive change in Kaji. For one, we don't have a dumpster diver anymore. Thankfully, we don't have to gate up areas of our new home. Everyone at home trains with Kaji now. It's mostly basic stuff, and my commands always override everyone else's, but it's nice to know that Kaji will come, sit, stay, leave it, and drop it will be followed in an emergency no matter who happens to be there.

The shadowing thing kinda bothers me sometimes, and sometimes I kinda love it. The bathroom part I really don't like. But I've learned that's just Kaji and there really is nothing I can do about it. He wants to be with me always and for the most part I oblige. Plus he's so cute sometimes I just can't say no.
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My house, my rules. If you break the rules and feed my dogs some thing you shouldn't, don't expect to be invited back. Same goes for other rules. It's the same with my children. If I say I don't want them to watch spongebob square pants, that doesn't mean they can go to grandmas and watch it, and you tell me "it's okay, they were at my house". I don't care if they were at the White House with the president. Still my kids, still my rules. And I don't care if you agree with my parenting of my children or my animals, if you want to see me, my children or my animals, my rules get followed. I have no problems not seeing someone.
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Can u imagin this , 3 yorkies and a shepherd FOLLOWING ME everywhere hahaha I love it, even to the toilet and when I have bath they all waitin in bathroom for me to flick the bath water so they can play catch lol only thing about the shep he tries to drink the water lol . I find it funny they can be moody wit us
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Ours watches us constantly when he's awake, he sleeps more than us.
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This sounds like normal Yorkie behavior to me....? I have at least 7 that do this very same thing....I am so totally accustomed to it, when one that normally follows, suddenly does NOT follow, I start looking for issues! As far as the guests not following the house rules when it comes to feeding treats not approved by you, I would sweetly tell these people that my house is now off limits, and in the future, we will be meeting away from my home or I can come to THEIR house....."I can not cntinue to pay for vet bills when people insist on feeding my baby things that are not good for her/him" (this is a bit of embellishment, but it stregthens your argument!)
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My boys are both "velcro" dogs. If I sit on the couch, the both coming zipping out of their beds to join me. While I am on the computer now, they are both curled up right next to me. They follow me to the bathroom and bedroom and heaven forbid I close a door because I will hear little paws scratching at the door within seconds. They just like to be near me and don't want to miss a thing.

If your friend is giving your pup food, of course he is going to hang around her. Even my dog that hates strangers, will show some interest if they have food in their hand. You could always keep some dog treats out and tell her to feed him his dog treats and not people treats...and you even want to limit the dog treats because these are just little guys.

My dog older dog has suffered from pancreatitis. I spent A LOT of money at the vet last year trying to diagnose his problems. Not only is it expensive, but it's extremely painful for your dog...and dangerous. If your friend can't understand your rules, you may not want to have your dog around her.

As far as your dog listening...practice makes perfect. Getting a dog to listen is a lot easier when there are no distractions. It's a lot harder to get them to listen when you are out in public in a different environment or there are other strange, exciting people around....especially when they have a plate of food in front of them. Practice his commands in a variety of settings to get him used to listening to you at all times...and use treats, toys or praise, just as you did when you were teaching him the commands in the first place.

One of the hardest things for my boys has been recall. We have a terrier breed, and terriers are known for being stubborn. My older dog especially will tune me out and keep doing what he's doing, even though he knows I am calling him. Eventually he will come.... when he wants. I say he has selective hearing!!
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Dogs are social creatures. They bond with people because we feed and care for them. They do have individual personalities just like people do but they also have temperaments that are a result of genetics.

Yorkies tend to bond closely with their people. My girl always follows me around. I'm sure many others will say the same. If you are uncomfortable with that activity it could explain why he sits at a distance and watches you. He would rather be right next to you but feels your dislike for that.

Did you ever hear the expression, 'if you want a friend get a dog'? They are the most loyal and loving creatures on planet earth. The Yorkie May seem a little more needy than some breeds but most people that get a Yorkie are looking for a lap dog. They have many other great traits but their desire to be with people is outstanding.

My little girl loves it when people come to visit. Most dogs do. The idea that a tasty treat may be involved in the visit would make the visit even more exciting to a dog. There are other people in our home that she will spend time with but she is always monitoring my activity.

I don't see anything strange in your dog's behavior except that you find it to be something new. Is this your first dog?
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