yorkie war against the the tiny and the large.
 

I understand how it is when you have a large yorkie. I did and my mom took her. She is 9 pound and the family dog. But I then got a 3 1/5 pound yorkie because they are to cute. To be honest I did pay for size.I wanted her to get attention. (now to much) shes a year old and I still get stopped and they call her a puppy.lol anyways now a days it all about smaller things.Anything is cute when its small. I went to a zoo last weekend and saw a miniture owl and I was like omg its so cute. God know they are ugly as hell but because it was small i found it cute. So I guess when you buy a pet your buying what you want and you should not be look down on people because of what size puppy they wanted or the amount of money they spent. if they have it they have it and if they want to spend it they can spend it and if they like tiny dog so what buy it. I hate this whole war against the the tiny and the large.

I'll bite! I see nothing wrong with owning tiny yorkies. I think they are absolutely PRECIOUS!!!!! I would LOVE to own one myself. I think the debate comes when it's discussed where these tinies are coming from. Are they coming from tiny breeder bitches or from standard bitches? My Gracie had 4 girls last litter and 3 of them are 4 lbs and under...the smallest being 3 1/2 lbs and Gracie is 5 1/2 lbs.

to tell you the truth i dont think there is a difference between them. i just picked mine out i didnt know she was going to be small.but if she would have been bigger like 8 lbs or more i would have not care shes my baby and shes beautiful :D i love them big or tiny :p

I don't think anyone has a problem with OWNING a tiny Yorkie. I have owned 2 tinies so far -- my Katie who sadly passed away (rest in peace Katie, I love you and miss you every day :( ) and my new dog Tee Tee Mouse.

OWNING a tiny isn't wrong -- every dog deserves a loving home.

BREEDING a tiny to create more tinies is wrong. :thumbdown

BOTH of my tiny Yorkies came from standard size parents -- which in my opinion is safe and acceptable. But intentionally breeding a tiny female and subjecting her to a c-section is wrong IN MY OPINION and I know a lot of people agree with me.

I'm glad you're happy with your little girl. I'd love for us to set up a Yorkie play date when the weather gets warmer -- I live in Brooklyn too. :p

I totally agree, It's not that they AREN'T cute, cause God knows there isn't anything much cuter., It is HOW they are getting them smaller and smaller.. and SMALLER.. Its not normal, Not safe, and it's a crime to charge some of the prices that they charging, because they are so little. With that comes a boat load of issues not to mention Health problems for the pups,, because of bad breeding, breeding runt and tinys,, So in turn,, People pay thousands of dollars for the dogs,, that are too tiny and should never be bred, and usually you will pay out thousands of dollars more for their medical bills, medications, etc.
But ,,, Yes they are cute :(

Good post! :thumbup:

My poor Katie was diagnosed with kidney disease right before she passed away. I spent A LOT of money on several full blood panels, urine samples, fecal samples, x-rays and many other tests which I can't remember the exact name of at the moment. I spent EASILY over $2,500 in 1 month and I would have spent a lot more in the future if Katie was taken from me so soon. :( Do I regret it? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Katie was my BABY and I would gladly pay all the money in the world if I could turn back time and have her with me again. Did Katie have all these medical problems because she is a tiny? I'm not sure because she was bred from 2 standard size parents but it is very possible. I just think it was my Katie's time to go (she passed away 1 day before my mother -- so I believe that they're together right now).

I don't see a war what I do see is concern for the tinies
in regard to breeding practices some have to obtain them
on a regular basis. I too think the tinies are cute, but I don't
think any dog regardless of size should be obtained for the
purpose of attention. Nor, would I ever consider getting rid
of a pet because it no longer suited my eye appeal in regard
to size. I will admit I really had thought Ted was going to be
smaller than the whopping 10 pounder he turned out to be
but I wouldn't give him up for anything in the world. The
bigger he gets the more there is to love and the harder I can
hug him without feeling like I will break him. :)

Well, I agree with you. I often feel like we have to be apologetic for wanting or owning a smaller Yorkie. Course all is forgiven if you didn't mean to get a small one or you keep hoping that it will grow.

I can't believe how many times someone posts their objection to someone "bragging" about the size of their tiny Yorkie. And that always leads to bragging posts about owning a larger "healthy" one.

Who cares? If you are happy with your dog you shouldn't care if someone that owns a smaller one is really happy with theirs.

I agree with you that people should not be looked down upon because of wanting a small dog. That is one of the reasons we got Raisin because we fell in love with our friend's yorkie. We also thought she would fit better in our townhouse than a larger dog would. However, as I began more and more research I thought about all the possible health complications of a smaller yorkie - and just as my own preference, I don't want to constantly worry about having such a delicate and fragile pup. I want her to grow up and be able to be rambuctious and adventurous, and I will still worry but maybe not as much as if she stays under 5 lbs. When we were first looking, I was like, I want a tiny they are so cute, but then I realized just how tiny they are even when they are within the standard of 5-7 lbs. So at this point I don't really care how big she gets, I just want her to be healthy.

And I do think the debate is not about whether or not you want a small dog, but if you take advantage of that privilege and breed a small dog to ensure even smaller dogs, that is what is not right.

To be honest, your statement, "I wanted her to get attention," bothers me.

I have to agree with the original poster....

I think there is a definite prejudice against tinies in general. Here's a few reasons why I think this:

1.While there is no real evidence to suggest that they are any more prone to disease than other yorkies, there are lots of people who discourage people from owning them for this reason.

2.There is no evidence that they live shorter lives and yet that is said all the time to discourage against them

3. There is no evidence that they are more shy and/or timid than other yorkies and yet breeders and other "experts" say this as well.

4. There is an inordinant amount of criticism for "people" who want one and they are said to be looking for "an accessory" or just want to dress it up and they care nothing about the dog.

5. The mere existence of tinies is disdainful to some who feel they are not representative of the breed standard even though the breed standard says "under 7 pounds" too many people have "heard" the breed standard is "4 to 7" pounds so they promulgate that concern. For some breeders, anything not within the breed standard is not worth producing.

6. The whole "there is no such thing as a teacup" and the campaign against a word is evidence that there are some who wish they did not exist and that they are harming the breed.

7. There are some who call tinies "the flavor of the month" or refer to them as not really yorkshire terriers because they are so small as they do with any dog not within the breed standard and they blame these dogs and the people who breed them for somehow diluting the breed.

I have four yorkies in my family who are under five pounds. Did I buy for size? Yes.., they are service dogs and have to travel easily. Do I like the attention they get? No, it wastes my time frankly when I am on a schedule running errands. Maybe this is why people think those of us with cute dogs are arrogant becasue sometimes I will admit I am rude or I ignore people's oooooos and ahhhhhhs and keep walking. I usually try to at least smile but I usually do not stop unless I have extra time. Are any of them shy and timid? No, same big dog in a little dog's body as most yorkies. Are any of them "sickly"? No, one had coccidia as a puppy but any yorkie puppy can get that. Only one of the three had a low blood sugar incident and it was just one at 11 weeks. One gets carsick and one has a sensitive stomach but that's about it. My tiniest is the healthiest, has never even thrown up and will eat almost anything. She would also take on the rottweiller if I would let her!! None have open fontenelles or any other conditions common to tinies and they have all learned how to stay out from under feet as all yorkies do. They are VERY athletic!!

Yes, it is true that not everyone should own one as they require extra care and they are small so they are fragile and can be hurt if not protected. It is similar to always having a baby in the house imo. This is what I tell my family and friends. It is really easier than that but it gets my point across.

I don't think it is just that people are opposed to breeding tinies, I think there is an overall prejudice on the part of some against people owning them too.JMHO.

If I might add my two cents worth here I must tell you that my oldest yorkie at this time is Sara. Now Sara is 6 yrs old and retired and the love of our lives ( along with all the rest LOL ) When Sara was having babies she had litters ( 5 in all ) of any where from 4 to 7 live freely whelped puppies. How lucky was that ? :thumbup:
My point here is that Sara weighs on a slim day about 7 1/2 lbs and every one of those babies were less than 4 lbs as adults. The daddy's weights were all in the 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 lb range. Several of her puppies stayed in that terribly tiny range of under 2 to 3 lbs. They were all healthy and lord knows I was never breeding to get tiny ones. I wanted another like Sara ( a champion ) but never got one large enough to show like her. So to answer the question that was raised of "where do the tinies come from"?
I would say there must be something in the genes behind that comes out. I guess I will never know about Sara as she never had a female I considered big enough to breed. :thumbdown
I think just love whatever you have and there is always going to be things that other people do or say that will annoy us but most of us need to focus on the good and not let annoyance rule our day. Be glad they love Yorkies and want to give it a home and you know most of them will get so attached that the weight issue will go away. JMHO

I dont think there is a war. I just think people get concerned about the breeding of tinies. As far as attention I have a 9 lb yorkie and a 6 lb yorkie and they still turn heads.

I will also throw in my 2 cents since I have a tiny one. I WANTED a small yorkie and I knew all of the health concerns as well as the extra care needed. However, I DID NOT want her to be small to get attention. It's actually pretty annoying at how much attention she does get..haha..it makes me late to everything. I just wanted a smaller one, but not as a result of breeding tinies. Coco just happen to be a tiny from standard parents. I wouldn't have cared if she grew to be a mammoth, she'd still be my little girl. It's easier taking her everywhere with mommy, because she is small enough to carry around in her carrier, or stroller with no problems.

Wow!!!!!! So many things that could be said about this. But - My 2cents are as long as these puppies are loved and cared for who cares what there size is. I don't like the fact that there are breeders out there risking lives of yorkies, purposely trying to produce tinies. But on the other hand we don't live in a perfect world. There are puppy mills (ugh!!!), scammers, people who abuse animals. Thank God there are alot more people who care about an animals well being, then there are bad owners and breeders. As long as there more people out there that are doing the right thing, we are winning.
We are all winners for having that certain pet we love in our lives, which in return makes us a better person.
Kim

I see nothing wrong with having a tiny. Mine are 7 and 8 lbs and I love them whether they are the weight or 3 lbs!

Ok, I bought Dollar b/c of his size...i was nieave then, as I understand that "tiny" is not bad, but sometimes it is hard to raise a "tiny" the proper way. i learned the hard way with Dollar but he is fine now...all 2.3 lbs of him. he is so brave, and I think I worry about him more then he actually needs b/c he sure acts all tough and big.....I think people on here are just upset with the fact that some breeders jack up the price of "tiny's". But Dollar is what you call "tiny" I think. I mean he is almost 6 months and only weighs 2.3. so i dont know what the fuss is other then their safty!

I can relate to this post out of my own personal experience and I have awnsered many posts like these since I got Lady 2 years ago.
Lady turned 2 years old in november and is 3 ounces shy of weighing 2lbs.She is strong,brave,playful and is treated exactly the same way as my youngest yorkie Jess who is almost 2 years old and weighs just over 7lbs.I must admit that as a puppy,Lady DID need special treatment because she was VERY tiny and until she was 3 months old we had to watch her closely.We had to make sure she ate and drank regularly and we kept her safe from my kids (who are 6 and 9 years old).But after she turned 3 months old she was just your regular yorkie,just a little smaller;)
Here (spain),all pups are sold and given to their owners at around 45 days old,even yorkies as tiny as they are at this age (Im not saying this is right,its just the way things are done here).Lady was the size of a guinee pig when I got her and I must admit that back then I thought that her tiny size was normal.
Tiny yorkies are cute,but having 2 very different yorkies myself,I must say that I dont find Lady cuter because she is smaller at all:rolleyes: Even the bigger yorkies are still really small compared to other breeds,to me they are all adorable:) Tiny yorkies DO get more attention when they go out and people always stop to ask what kind of yorkie Lady is and how cute she would look with their kids (Iv stopped explaining there are no "kinds" of yorkies now lol),but at the end of the day the only difference I find is that whilst I have to help Lady up onto the couch,Jess can jump up on her own:) Would I get another tiny yorkie? To be honest,I wouldent let the size bother me at the moment of choosing,I would just look at those brown eyes and let the rest be history:)

what was the reason you gave your 9lb yorkie to your mums? it worrys me that it wasnt small enough for you, i dont think it matters what size they are my rosie is a big 10lb yorkie and i love her, for my house hold a bigger one is safer its very rough and tumble here a tiny would get hurt.
as long as the parents are not too small tinys are ok

I believe there is nothing wrong with getting a tiny Yorkie. But, I am very much against breeding little females that weigh less than 5 pounds.

It is obvious that standard sized Yorkies often have small puppies. And, these are wonderful little puppies. Get them spayed or neutered, enjoy them, and love them to death. I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone doing this.

And though several people have mentioned it - who cares what anyone pays for their dog??? Some of us get a good deal - some of us pay a fair price - and some of us pay too much! I am just afraid that the fact that smaller Yorkies often cost more puts a premium on them causing people to think they are more desirable and worth more. Then, this in turn, causes other people with $$$ in their eyes to deliberately breed them to produce more even smaller dogs. This is what is wrong in the eyes of most of us who love this little breed.

As with any breed, there will always be Yorkies that weigh less than normal and many that weigh more than normal. And, everyone of these little pups has the right to a happy loving home.

If there is a tiny little Yorkie out there and that's what you want - get it - get it neutered or spayed and enjoy it.

Regardless of personal experiences and what a lot of people say or believe -- it is a fact - with all other things being equal - that very little Yorkies do have more health problems. Their size alone puts them in more danger than other Yorkies that have a few more pounds on them. These little dogs are very tiny and very fragile, and it takes special people and a special home environment to take care of them properly. They are stepped on, they are dropped, they fall, and they are so much more at risk to be hurt in many other ways.

I notice with every pound that my pup puts on that he is much stronger and so much better able to fend for himself and take care of himself....and he's only 5 pounds....and growing.

Again -- it's ads like: "This will be a tiny Yorkie - his mother weighed 3 1/2 pounds and his father was only 4 pounds" that bother me ---more than bother me really!!

Carol Jean

I never knew there was a war on the tiny vs the lg...

There is however many people who do NOT AGREE with BREEDING TINIES to get tinies... totally different than issues with owning a tiny... unless of course you purchase a tiny from a breeder who breeds tinies... or you buy your tiny for "status"

I am however bothered that you just gave away your 9 pounder..to get a tiny that would get lots of attention... but that is your consious that you have to deal with not mine..

I never knew there was a war on tiny vs. large either and I am on here a great deal.... unless you were referring to breeding and I certainly understand that...but I don't think you were.

I have a large one, an average one and two smaller ones that are pushing a year old and still look like puppies, and I personally would NEVER give any of them to anyone, including my mother, for any reason....ESPECIALLY over an issue of size.....might be different if you were talking about a Great Dane or something, but we are talking about Yorkies....but that's just me I guess.

I still can't figure out why some people think a 7 or even 10 lb dog is big in the first place...

me neither :rolleyes:

I agree with you! Tucker is nearly 10 pounds and I STILL worry about him getting hurt jumping off things or whatever.

As for the post, I didn't know there was a war on tinies vs. large. Yes, a great number of people (myself included!) are against breeding small doggies to make SMALLER dogs. It is easy enough to get a small one from standard sized parents. Little ones are adorable, but then again, aren't they all?

Shells- thanks for posting that. NO DOG should be given away because of their size. Reminds me of Paris Hilton disposing of her "best friend" Tinkerbell to her mother's house. Sickening. Get a tiny stuffed animal!!!
I feel the same way about Stewie that you do about Ted. I just love his size. I want to freaking squeeze his little face right now looking at him!!!!!! Someone would have to PRY him out of my cold dead hands in order for me to give him up.

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Nothing wrong with Tinies. I have one. She was my first and my lap buddy. :) 3 pounds on her best day and she is 3 years old. I have to agree with some of the other posts that 5 to 9 pounds are still small and have to have special attention as well. Breeding tinies is another whole subject. :( :eek:

I have wondered this ever since I first read the first "controversial" thread about the size of Yorkies!! We had a poodle that was about 14 lbs. ... even she didn't seem large to us! When we bought Toto, we wanted a small Yorkie because of our lifestyle [otherwise, we would have had to wait until we retired to have a pet]. Toto was born of "normal" purebred Yorkie parents .... she was just an itty bitty thing and the breeder's "estimate" on her size was "right on". Adult size = 3 lbs.! She just doesn't seem all that small to us ... suppose we are just used to her. Bottom line ... had she grown the size of a St. Bernard, we could've cared less! Five minutes after we saw her, we were just so terribly in love with her! Plans for her spay were made even before we saw her! Would we have sought out a breeder who bred for tiny, tiny size ... not in this lifetime!! First and foremost, we looked for a breeder who was striving to perfect/improve the breed. So far, our little Angel Brat is just perfect!!! ;)

My babies are all small. Lexie is almost 9 months and weighs 9lbs. Romeo is almost 5 months and weighs 4lbs. now but looks smaller...and Juliet is almost 7 months old and weighs 2 1/2 lbs. only because she is a half lb. overweight and has a little round pot belly with her tiny frame. The vet thinks she might get bigger but at this time she is in need of a diet. She likes to eat far too much...lol. We are not sure her size will increase much but we thought the same about my mother's girl yorkie Prissy and she is older and is a little over 4lbs. It is never easy to tell the size but I love them all and I wouldn't trade them for anything. I do get noticed when I carry them places but I don't have them for that reason. I have them because the moment I saw them I knew I couldn't live without having them near me. I fell in love with these tiny treasures and I feel the need to spoil and protect them. I don't however worry about stepping on them which is a question I get a lot. They never get under my feet and they can cuddle for hours which I wouldn't trade for anything. I like them no matter how big or small they are but more for the giant amount of love they show everyday!!! They are my family...my babies! :c) Yorkies rule!!!