If you're considering breeding

[MauiGirl]

Michele, I send you nothing but warm thoughts, hugs, and prayers to help you through this situation.

Stay strong so you can keep the pups and Allie well. You all have a big job ahead of you. I wish you all the best in going forward.

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Rainbows

And I'm just going to post this incase anyone else has a go at me, from what I can see this was a big mistake from day 1. Breeding dogs without breeding rights and getting mad when someone post's an unwanted opinion on the irresponsibility of it all. I wonder how the breeder's the dogs originally came from would feel seeing how this whole situation was complete disregard for them and their expectations.

I'm not mad at what you posted, I just think it was rude and tacky of you to point out my irresponsibility when I had already admitted it.

Not that it's any of your business but the 2 dogs that were bred have full registrations with the AKC. I never bred a dog without breeding rights. And the breeder I got those 2 from probably doesn't give a flying flip. She sold me a 7 week old male.

Get off your high horse. You aren't perfect. My original post said I MADE A MISTAKE. I don't want your sympathy. I never asked for anyone's sympathy. I posted my post to help other people know that breeding isn't all fluffy puppies and milk breath. And as others have pointed out, you know nothing about me. You assume you do off 1 post. And well, you know what they say when you assume.

You can attack me all you want. I don't care. And I have friends who will stand behind me, beside me and all around me. People who have been through the ringer with me and will walk this path with me as well. I didn't have to say anything about my experience-I could have just posted a picture of the puppies and gone on about my business, but I thought other people, who arent perfect either, should see another side of it. The tarnished side. The side no one likes to talk about because it's too ugly.

[Rainbows]

Congrats michele, according to the ASPCA you're a backyard breeder!

BACKYARD BREEDERS ARE -

**Anyone who has a litter for fun, profit or by ‘accident’.
**Anyone who is so uninformed that they think having AKC papers means that their pet is breeding quality. RIDICULOUS!!
**Anyone who advertises their litters in the local paper for sale. (respected breeders only advertise in trade magazines)
**Anyone who thinks that by finding their puppies good homes that they somehow don’t have to play by the rules or take responsibility. MANY WILL STILL ULTIMATELY END UP IN THE POUND AFTER YEARS OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT!!!
**Anyone who thinks they found their litter good homes, simply because everyone that took one, smiled honestly and ‘promised’ to treat them well.. Thus insisting on no background check, no enforceable contract or any type of follow up. A PERFECT RECIPE FOR A SAD LIFE FOR THE POOR PUPPY.
**People will provide erroneous information to the potential adopters regarding the required care and treatment necessary for the pet - simply for their own personal gains and claim to know much more than they really do for ego boosts.
**Respectable breeders will have walls adorned with trophies and certificates which represent the numerous championships they’ve acquired over the years.

Up to 8 million healthy animals are killed in U.S. pounds and shelters every year. The majority of killing could easily be prevented by spaying OR neutering. Euthanasia is the single largest cause of death for dogs in the U.S. Each year 27 million DOGS are born. 8 or more million we classify as "surplus" ARE killed. That's about ¾ million per month. These numbers do not include the millions of dead dogs whose bodies we scrape off the streets, the growing number that are put to sleep at vets’ offices or the hundreds of thousands THAT ARE abandoned.

LET'S NOT FORGET THE severely neglected or abused ones who never make it to our shelters to be counted and OR EUTHANIZED. The ten million figure represents those we "MUST" kill because they are unwanted!!! Most of these animals are young and healthy; in fact, it is estimated that a majority are less than one year of age. The problem is simple: we have too many dogs...Too many for the too few homes available TO THEM. The solution we have opted for is to kill the extras. This solution has been considered acceptable by default, as though there were no other way to control the crisis. And we spend over $11 billion every year destroying "man's best friend."
A common sense look that you cannot deny or argue with: If you were part of a company who made ‘pets’ and every year for the past 20 years, you had been overstocked to the point of having to dispose of the overstocked inventory, what would you suggest they do this year to improve? So, if you KNOW we are killing this vast number of innocent, loving animals each year, why in the world would you think that having a litter of puppies or kittens is OK?

An accidental breeding can be easily fixed by having your dog immediately spayed and having the other dog in your home fixed as well. Most people that allow their dogs to have the puppies honestly have no idea of the pet overpopulation and how many dogs and cats that actually get euthanized in shelters. If you want to continue and allow your dog to have the pups, the most humane thing you can do is to get all of the pups microchipped so that if they end up in a shelter, they can call you to come pick up the dogs that you allowed to be brought into this world so they don't die in a shelter.

[DBlain]

Michele as you know you are not in the minority, many pet owners that are not knowledgeable about breeding wind up having litters. Some by accident and some on purpose, I am not saying that is right, but it happens day in and day out. I applaud your courage to come on here and start a thread that really brings to lite the what if side of the coin. I honestly think that your truthful heart wrenching first post will make people, that just think their dog is so cute that they want it to have puppies, strongly reconsider. I know that was the purpose of your post, so inspite of what ONE newer member has to say, this tread will serve a very good purpose. I have a ditsy friend that just purchased a very cute malti poo, at 4 months old they are already dreaming about what cute puppies she could have and talked about possibly letting her have a litter. I have just about convinced them not to, but I am going to send them the link to your post because your first hand experience speaks volumes.

I know you have so much going on right now, but I want to thank you for telling your story while it is fresh in your mind.

[My lil friend]

Truely hoping that admin will step in. Personal attacks are not allowed. Michele at no time requested my support. I give my support because I know the heart of this woman.

[DBlain]

Rainbows, I don't know you but I don't understand why you seem to be so happy to point out all the obvious things we and Michelle all know. I see her post helping other people that think there is nothing to breeding, but you are making it so that the message she is trying to get out will get lost in your overpowering posts.

I see you are a mom of what we call skin kids, I can't help but wonder what it must be like for them if they make a bone head mistake. I sure hope that your lack of understanding when someone is regretful and remorseful is reserved for strangers on the internet.

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by My lil friend

Truely hoping that admin will step in. Personal attacks are not allowed. Michele at no time requested my support. I give my support because I know the heart of this woman.

I agree, and I am afraid these personal attacks are taking away from the message of this thread. Nothing like a new member that knows little about the personality of this board to beat a dead horse to death and kick someone when they are down

[mimimomo]

Exsqueeze me Rainbows...you're really barking up the wrong tree. Michele KNOWS what she did wrong & this thread was a warning for those wanting to breed. You're really out of line here, I suggest you take a step back bc you're making yourself look rather bullyish. I'm sure Admin has been alerted.

All the Best for you Michele & hoping & praying momma Allie will accept her pups & they all thrive!

[Rainbows]

Originally Posted by DBlain

Rainbows, I don't know you but I don't understand why you seem to be so happy to point out all the obvious things we and Michelle all know. I see her post helping other people that think there is nothing to breeding, but you are making it so that the message she is trying to get out will get lost in your overpowering posts.

I see you are a mom of what we call skin kids, I can't help but wonder what it must be like for them if they make a bone head mistake. I sure hope that your lack of understanding when someone is regretful and remorseful is reserved for strangers on the internet.

I have no compassion for BYB's. Sorry. All these posts suggest to me is that I should feel sorry for the OP, well I don't. I voiced my opinion and I can probably bet a thousand other's feel the same way I'm just the only one willing to voice it. There is no such thing as an accidental breeding, why on earth would the OP let an intact female around males and then not get the dog spayed ASAP after the ''accident'' is beyond me. The OP thinks people are stupid or what? Thinks that puppies are all miracles? No. Responsible dog owner's know this. Don't stoop so low as to bring my family into this, my kid has nothing to with this post that is completely irrelevant. If my adult ''kid'' did what the OP did I'd give them my opinion on it. OP is over sensitive and dramatic. This is ONLINE. Get over it people, get over the fact I feel no sympathy for this person and her inhumane mistakes. I can care less if I even got banned from this website, it's totally unimportant to me. I call out a BYB when I see one, and I think the OP should have seeked attention elsewhere, like maybe contacted the breeders she got her dogs from instead of coming ONLINE. Good thing she knows she put her dogs life at risk. Now without the proper testing and all that for the puppies, maybe her smug attitude about the price of puppies from breeders will change because I wouldn't pay for one of her dogs, god only knows what kind of problems these puppies will have later in life. She also seems to buy her dogs from bad breeders that sell their pups under the legal age they are allowed to be sold. This is not a ''bone head mistake'' this is irresponsibility at it's finest. Explain to me how people can keep intact bitches and males without EVER having an ''accident''? Because they are responsible. End of.

[Kaylee32]

Praying for those sweet babies and their mamas! I think it is awesome you were willing to admit you made a mistake. To many people today think they know everything and its great to see someone who is willing to let others learn from their mistakes. Their will always be at least a few idiots who try and knock you down, but there are many more people who are here to lift you up! Good luck on everything. Cant wait to see updates on these babies!

[Rainbows]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Exsqueeze me Rainbows...you're really barking up the wrong tree. Michele KNOWS what she did wrong & this thread was a warning for those wanting to breed. You're really out of line here, I suggest you take a step back bc you're making yourself look rather bullyish. I'm sure Admin has been alerted.

All the Best for you Michele & hoping & praying momma Allie will accept her pups & they all thrive!

I don't really care if the Admin has been alerted. What are they going to do? Come in here and say ''excuse me, you aren't allowed to voice your opinion because it's not popular in this thread! '' Sorry, but this is a public forum, I can voice my opinion if I want to. If people don't like it then hit the damn ignore button.

[rubymoon2072]

oh wow...Michelle I am just going to say I;m so glad everyone came through ok and that you shared this story so others know what can happen and how dangerous it can be. Plus you admit your mistake no need to be dragged through the mud on this... Rainbow there is a way to express your opinion without being insulting/rude and nasty...we love Michelle you maybe not so much.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Rainbows

I don't really care if the Admin has been alerted. What are they going to do? Come in here and say ''excuse me, you aren't allowed to voice your opinion because it's not popular in this thread! '' Sorry, but this is a public forum, I can voice my opinion if I want to. If people don't like it then hit the damn ignore button.

PLEASE take a chill pill...I've never used the ignore button, I don't even know how. Look, I understand. I've been very flustered & even angry @ some people coming on here w/horror stories of oops pregnancies & down right ignorance on their part. But believe me, this is NOT the thread to do it...to voice your opinions. Do you know why? Bc Michele admitted what she did wrong & she knows what she did wrong...you doing this here just makes you look bad.

[Rainbows]

Originally Posted by rubymoon2072

oh wow...Michelle I am just going to say I;m so glad everyone came through ok and that you shared this story so others know what can happen and how dangerous it can be. Plus you admit your mistake no need to be dragged through the mud on this... Rainbow there is a way to express your opinion without being insulting/rude and nasty...we love Michelle you maybe not so much.

Yes, I don't love somebody I never met before that lives...what like 10k miles away from me and gets up an arms over an opinion. If she didn't like my original post she should have ignored me, instead she flips out on me and acts like I just spat in her face or something. I don't like irresponsible people, over sensitive people, and drama-queens. Sounds to me like none of you actually care that her irresponsibility nearly killed her dog and none of you seem to care the world is already over populated with mediocre standard dogs ending up in shelters. I already voiced why it bothers me, because the OP was just so irresponsible that she did nothing to fix it and went a long with letting the dog have its litter and for what? She also said before none of her dogs have breeding rights, but then goes on to say the two that mated ( does she even know 100% which one is the father? ) are AKC reg like that has any relevancy what so ever without health screening and genetic testing. I mean come on, seriously. I am newish here but in the short time I've been here I've probably seen quite a lot of threads about BYB's, the do's and don'ts, the horrors, the joys, ect. Someone who is a regular here has no excuse, really.

[GuinnessStout]

Wow... Can we say beating a dead horse????
Michele made a mistake... We are all human mistakes happen... And she feels guilty that it happen so she came on the site to post for others to learn from her mistakes... So please explain to me how kicking somebody when they are already down makes the situation any better??? I do know it just makes the kicker look like a rather cold hearted person....