If you're considering breeding

[Rhetts_mama]

Michelle,

Thanks for posting your story and reminding people once again what can happen when they have intact dogs in their homes. Despite every good intention, life sometimes still happens and can result in some very expensive, painful and exhausting consequences. Allie was fortunate that she was with someone who not only had the resources to get her the proper care, but was also willing to learn what they needed to in order to help the pups survive until Allie could care for them herself. How many times have we seen this story not have such a happy ending?

Good luck with the pups. I look forward to seeing pictures of them.

[wemple2]

Originally Posted by JuliannaB

Not sure what you mean by what you wrote here. Can you enlighten me please?

Like!!! I like it, the name that is. omg...

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by McheleM

Why would I not take care of them?? If I wasn't going to take care of them, I would have just had her spayed and aborted them. I however don't believe in abortion.
Everyones entitled to their opinion, and I understand there are a lot of people who feel the same way you and the rainbow person feel. It's not how she feels that was the problem. It was her attitude and the way she came across as "holier than thou" , as if she's never made a mistake. I know that there are a lot of people here who disagree with breeding except by professional and experienced breeders. It's sad when breeders feel they can't post about their litters because of the fallout and opinions of others on this site, and a lot of the breeders, who can help and give information are being run off.

Not that it changes anything but even breeders listed on the AKC site aren't always on the up and up-that's actually where I found the breeder where I got Allie and Noah from! On the surface, she appeared to be a good breeder, and then I found this site and all these red flags popped up, starting with her letting a 7 week old puppy go. After Noah got parvo, she became unreachable, even though she swore I had a "breeder" for life and could come to her with anything. I didn't know 3 years ago what I know now, and would never buy from a breeder like that again. I got Westley from a reputable breeder right here on yorkietalk, although she doesn't post much.

And for the record, Allie has been spayed.

If you knew she was a bad breeder why would you continue her lines?

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

If you knew she was a bad breeder why would you continue her lines?

As it was said before, it was an accident. I didn't put them together and intentionally breed them.

I separated them when she went into heat and was mopping my floor and had to move a baby gate to move the mop bucket since I can't lift it over the gate. She slipped through and by the time I got to her, the deed was happening.

We aren't rehashing this.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by McheleM

As it was said before, it was an accident. I didn't put them together and intentionally breed them.

I separated them when she went into heat and was mopping my floor and had to move a baby gate to move the mop bucket since I can't lift it over the gate. She slipped through and by the time I got to her, the deed was happening.

We aren't rehashing this.

But wouldn't have getting them fixed at like 8 months kept them safer?

[Lovetodream88]

Having a dog fixed while she is pregnant is not the same as abortion it is protecting the puppies from possibly being born with genetic issues and suffering as well as making more dogs that could end up in a shelter or abandoned. Not trying to rehash or be a brat I just feel abortion is different. But I also feel that if a child is gonna be unloved put into our governments system and not cared about maybe not bringing it into the world is the best option.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

But wouldn't have getting them fixed at like 8 months kept them safer?

I think it's been established that Michele is going to get her boys neutered. What's done is done & Michele has learned a valuable lesson here...she almost lost her precious girl, along w/the pups. Let's give her a break, otherwise it's gonna sound like a broken record.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

I think it's been established that Michele is going to get her boys neutered. What's done is done & Michele has learned a valuable lesson here...she almost lost her precious girl, along w/the pups. Let's give her a break, otherwise it's gonna sound like a broken record.

I just got upset with the abortion comment

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by McheleM

We are keeping her and decided not to dock her tail. I really didn't want to dock the others, but know when it comes time for them to go to new homes, owners will be expecting docked tails because of breed standard.

And yes, she will be spayed. The boys will be neutered before the pups are even ready to go to their new homes.

Now she will be coming into heat in about 6-8 months, so you will need to mark that on your calendar so you dont have another "oooops" breeding, especially if that baby's father remains intact and on the property.

[gemy]

Michele I thought she was spayed as part of the emergency C section. But you posted that she "will be spayed".

In terms of juvenile puppy de-sexing, I think that is not in the best health interests of the puppies. I would never advise any-one to adopt a puppy that was de-sexed early in life.

[wemple2]

I believe she means Lyric, the girl she's keeping out of this litter will be spayed and that she will have her other adult males neutered.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by wemple2

I believe she means Lyric, the girl she's keeping out of this litter will be spayed and that she will have her other adult males neutered.

It took me a minute to figure out the was spayed/will be spayed comment as well until I realized that she meant the Female baby pup she would be keeping but I also interpreted that her intention was to neuter the infant males prior to placing them in their homes, not the adult males, is my interpretation correct?

[wemple2]

Originally Posted by Lilah Charm

It took me a minute to figure out the was spayed/will be spayed comment as well until I realized that she meant the Female baby pup she would be keeping but I also interpreted that her intention was to neuter the infant males prior to placing them in their homes, not the adult males, is my interpretation correct?

No, Allie had all girls...her males are older, one is the dad to the new girls.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by wemple2

No, Allie had all girls...her males are older, one is the dad to the new girls.

Oh of course! As though I have not been reading this thread for the last several days as well as the other two associated with it! (Ie...finally four precious angels) silly me. Thanks for clarifying

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Having a dog fixed while she is pregnant is not the same as abortion it is protecting the puppies from possibly being born with genetic issues and suffering as well as making more dogs that could end up in a shelter or abandoned. Not trying to rehash or be a brat I just feel abortion is different. But I also feel that if a child is gonna be unloved put into our governments system and not cared about maybe not bringing it into the world is the best option.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I just got upset with the abortion comment

An abortion is performed after pregnancy occurs. Therefore in my opinion, it's an abortion. As I said we aren't rehashing the accidental breeding. I dont need you to keep on and on about it like you tend to do. It won't change anything. I've removed the possibility of an accidental breeding.
Allie was spayed with her c-section. We had 4 female puppies.
The puppy we are keeping will be spayed as soon as she is able to be. The other 3 wiill have limited registrations as well as not having papers released until proof of spay is provided.
Noah and Westley will be neutered in the next 4-6 weeks.