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10-14-2013, 06:38 PM | #1 |
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| My kitty and Gizmo, what to do, what to do ? Need help bad !!!! So this last week my kitty Lucy has decided to start pulling Gizmo's potty pads out of the holders, and I can't figure out how to make her stop !!!!! She also has now taken up the habit of sitting on the coffee table growling and hissing, which makes Gizmo bark because he gets frustrated. I think she's doing the growling and hissing so he barks, to make my other 2 kitties afraid to come down stairs, because they are more skittish than her. All my cats were born feral, and I bottle fed them all. They are all different ages but the other 2, Sadie and Bruiser I did not get and start bottle feeding till around 3 weeks each. Sadie is the most afraid of the barking, she is 9 years old, and bruiser tries to talk to Gizmo, but from the stairs where he feels safe because Gizmo now barks and chases them both, I think due to how frustrated Lucy has made him. She will sit on anything that is just out of reach of Gizmo, swing here tail back and forth in front of his face, while she growls and hisses, then will wap him on the head when he jumps up, which leads to unbearable barking. With this, I think she's controlling him to where he does not make friends with the other cats, out of jealousy :-) she's the oldest out of my three cats at 10 years old. She's super smart, she rides in the car, walks on a leash, goes to the dog park on leash, and loves going everywhere with us. She's one smart cat, and I know, she knows what she's doing because its working lol. The other thing with removing the potty pads from the holder is really a big issue, as I had Gizmo going potty perfect, until this last week and she, meaning Lucy the cat, decided to start removing the pads from the holders, causing Gizmo to have 3 accidents in a row, because he had no pads in any of his potty pad holders. I've kept Gizmo on the first floor of my house so far because its all hard floors, and the upstairs is all carpeted. I wanted to have him potty trained well before I let him upstairs because of the carpet. He was doing amazing and had not had an accident in over a month. Well this changed now that Lucy keeps pulling the pads out of the holders, as I said, he's had 3 accidents in the last 2 days after going a month without not 1 accident. Has anyone ever had a cat that either teases your yorkie or a cat that pulls out the pads from the potty pad holders? I'm hoping I am not the only one that has a cat that knows how to manipulate so badly lol. Right now what I'm doing with the barking, and cat teasing to encourage it, is separating them, making the cat go to my bedroom and putting Gizmo in his xpen. For the kitty removing the potty pads from the holders, I'm at a complete loss how to stop this, and hope once I do, I can get Gizmo trained back completely to no accidents like he was doing. I never thought I would be dealing with a cat and puppy war lol. I also think it has to do with Gizmo now being able to go for walks, now that all his vaccines have been completed. I think Lucy the kitty is jealous because she used to be the only one that got to go for walks on the leash, and now she sees Gizmo going out. Who would have thought I would be dealing with this jealousy issue. It's like the war of the roses around here, but between a cat and a puppy :-) I am so stressed out on how to fix these 2 issues. Also on the spots on my travertine stone kitchen floor where gizmo has had accidents in the last 2 days, I have sprayed a pet Oder removal spray. I'm thinking of trying to squirt them with a squirt bottle, but the cat actually takes baths with me, so not so sure it will work on her, as she likes water, but maybe it will work on Gizmos barking. Not sure how to get Gizmo to stop trying to go potty on the floor now that he has done it. Surprisingly he never has in the whole time I've had him, due o my relentless training with him. He does go when outside on walks, but nights would be the problem, as he's still so young and I also live in a highly populated area, where its really not safe for me to walk at night, even though we live in a nice neighborhood, we still get people from other areas that are not so nice because we live right at the beach. If you got through this whole thing, thank you so much for taking the time to read my long winded frustrated post xoxo Please tell me I'm not the only one here who has a cat that thins its human and creating chaos lol. HELP !!!!!! Thanks in advance for any and all ideas, I can use all I can get. Last edited by Sunnydayz; 10-14-2013 at 06:43 PM. |
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10-14-2013, 07:00 PM | #2 |
♡Huey's Human♡ Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ringgold, Ga
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| Dang, I feel your pain. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice. I couldn't potty pad train Huey because HE would drag them everywhere & shred them. He didn't need a kitty helper. He is also an only dog, so no jealousy issues. It does sound like you have a dominant cat problem and I never had too much luck with training cats. I'm sure someone here will have some good suggestions for you. Good luck!
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10-14-2013, 07:03 PM | #3 |
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| At first when I got Gizmo, he did go through the pad shredding phase, thankfully he stopped, but now Lucy is making him crazy lol |
10-14-2013, 07:37 PM | #4 |
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| Are you home during the day? Sounds like you might have to retrain Gizmo to potty outdoors. Maybe you can put a pad out now and then when you think its time for him to go so he can keep that training in case he has to be left. I don't know how often pad trained dogs go, but Maggie will go when she gets up and is quite fine for at least 6 hours. She goes ALL night, that is often from 9pm until 11am without having to go. She is 10 pounds though, and I think the bigger they are the longer they can hold. Not sure though because you'd think if they are smaller they just drink proportionately less. Hopefully someone can let you know if it's possible to retrain to go outside. Lots of treats and happiness for a job well done. However, it will require more training of you as well. |
10-14-2013, 07:46 PM | #5 |
♡Huey's Human♡ Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ringgold, Ga
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| Ok, this won't help with kitty aggression, but it might be a good alternative to the pee pads. I originally bought 2 of these for Huey, but he pulled the grass mat off and drug it through the house & shredded the grass, just like he did pee pads. I think it is too heavy for Gizmo or even a cat to drag, maybe? I had the real "potty patch" but looking at Amazon, there are some lower cost alternatives to try out. Our potty patch is now out on the deck and Huey uses it out there. He finally quit dragging the grass around. Amazon.com: Potty Patch - As Seen on TV, Small,... Amazon.com: PAW Puppy Potty Trainer, The Indoor... Amazon.com: PetZoom Pet Park Indoor Pet Potty,...
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10-15-2013, 10:03 AM | #6 | |
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I wish I even had a little yard but unfortunately beach living here, there are no yards, as its all town homes , very close together. I know overnight, he goes a good 3 or 4 times a night on his pad in his xpen, so he does still need his pads at this age and time. I'm glad to know that once he gets bigger and more grown up, he will be able to hold it at night, that will definitely make it much easier when he's an adult. :-) Thank you for the advice :-) | |
10-15-2013, 10:15 AM | #7 | |
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I was just thinking last night, and all this chaos started to get really bad once Gizmo was able to start going for walks on a leash. Lucy is a cat but thinks she is a dog lol, and she also walks on a leash, although she can't walk as fast anymore because she's getting older, she also just goes a small distance. I'm thinking its related to being jealous of Gizmo now going outside for walks. She does still run around the living room and kitchen playing with Gizmo, but she also loves to tease him. That's the worst problem, is the teasing. She's like the bully on the playground lately lol. I'm going to look into the grass mats again. Thanks for the advice. Last edited by Sunnydayz; 10-15-2013 at 10:18 AM. | |
10-16-2013, 12:05 AM | #8 | |
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Make sure you don't clean it with anything that could be toxic (well, DUH) I love Dawn dish soap.
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10-16-2013, 06:43 AM | #9 |
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| In is my opinion that cats can be the biggest jerks. My cat torments Brandi just because she knows she can. She will sit at the top of the stairs when she know Brandi just wants to go upstairs to go to bed. If Brandi tries to get past the mean kitty, the kitty will give Brandi little love taps and then Brandi runs back downstairs to tell me that the cat won't let her upstairs. As for the potty pads, I had that problem too. I no longer use the holder and I've switched to washable pads. My cat uses the potty pads to urinate as well and this probably won't change. The cat now at least can't shred the disposable ones and all I have to do is just straighten it out now. |
10-16-2013, 07:33 AM | #10 |
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| I have feral cats as well. They don't like visitors or loud noises. When Gracie was still pretty young I found a littler of young kittens in the woods. The mom was feral so I brought the kittens inside and the mom followed me. She wouldn't come in at first but hung at the door. I finally got her inside and she finished raising the kits in my home. It took a lot of patience working with the mom but it all worked out. Anyway, the mom saw Gracie as a threat to her kittens and would chase her if she caught her near them. She chased Gracie under the recliner one time and I had to save her from certain injury! Gracie learned not to mess with Mother Cat! Gracie had already been with a different littler of kittens when I first brought her home and she had become accustomed to bossing them around and herding them. Their mom was much more laid back. But gracie saw the kittens as play mates and she is still good friends with the ones I kept. It sounds like your cat is trying to establish her position in the home. She wants Gizmo to know that she rules. They may eventually become friends but right now it is a battle of wills. Do you have the kind of frame for your pee pads that locks down tightly over the pads? Our kittens did sometimes shred a pad or two but I never had one that enjoyed ripping them out of the frame. Cats are able to be trained. If you can't find any other way then get yourself a good long range squirt bottle that you can spray the cat with when she gets near the pad. You will have to keep a close watch for a few days but once she gets it a few times she will abandon the game. There is a thread here on YT about teaching your dog not to bark. I understand that the cat is trying to torment Gizmo but he has to learn to listen to you when you say "no more!" When Gracie was young I would keep a rolled up newspaper near by at all times. With kittens around she had lots of opportunity to get excited and start barking up a storm. I would tell her "NO MORE!" and if she did not listen I would bang that paper on my hand or a near by table. It got her attention and she would stop. It may take a bit of repetition until he learns you mean business but he will learn if you are consistent. When the cat learns that Gizmo has begun to just cool his jets around her the fun will be over and she will move on to something else. Never a dull moment! |
10-16-2013, 09:46 AM | #11 |
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| I'd put aluminum foil over the edges of the potty pad holder...kitties do not care much for foil...and I sometimes put a sheet of it over stuff on kitchen counters, etc., I do not want kitties to mess with. There are mostly all ferals that are domesticated, too. I had 1 kitty that continued to 'sharpen his claws' on a wooden door, regardless what I did INCLUDING the foil, but most run for the hills if they hear foil tinkle-y-noises. I'd also put a few pennies in a clean, empty can and tape the lid back on. When the shenanigans start, I'd rattle my can. I have a can opener that cuts through the seam so there are no sharp edges and the lid fits back on the can like it's not been cut off. I put 4 pennies in the can, and tape the lid back on with wide masking tape. I have several of these cans, am making more, and have made them to give away. Ahhh...gotta love the silence!
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10-16-2013, 09:47 AM | #12 | |
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My aim as far as Lucy and Gizmo, I'm just going to work on training Gizmo to ignore her teasing , and with Lucy and the potty pads, well that might take more work, as Lucy is older and set in her ways. I think I figured out that, she started removing the potty pads once Gizmo was allowed to go out for walks, I think she's jealous. And yes she's pulling them out of the whole pad holders. I even bought this thick foam tape to put around the edges of the frame to hold them down tighter, but she still gets them out :-( the pad issue is going to be the harder issue to resolve. The teasing I think, I can train Gizmo to ignore. I just need to figure out the potty pad situation mostly. Wish me luck :-) | |
10-16-2013, 09:56 AM | #13 | |
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Squirt bottles did not work for me. The cats learned to 'fear' the bottle, and were 'traumatized' by the sight of the bottle. Plus, the water got stuff wet, and when they were wet, they'd run through the house shaking the water off them.
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10-16-2013, 12:13 PM | #14 |
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| Yea my cat actually likes being squirted, and apparently so does Gizmo, I found that out this morning lol. Squirt bottle = Complete Fail lol. Gizmo also gets super hyper and excited by loud noise and gets the zoomies so making any loud noise does not work either. If anything it just scares my other 2 more skittish kitties :-( I'm bound and determined to find something that works though haha, I'm not going to let them win hehehehe. ;-) |
10-16-2013, 12:19 PM | #15 | |
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You might try the foil and penny ("clatter") can. See my other, previous post. I feel your pain...Brody herds cats, Mia loves on them til they scream, drowning in Yorkie spit, 'get away' in kitty language, and Bria tries so hard to love on her chosen kitty, pouncing against the cabinet doors, etc., that kitty gets all freaked out...usually ends up scratching me when I rescue her!
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