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[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

I am not a breeder but do work at a no-kill animal rescue. From your questions it seems you had a bad experience with a rescue. I apologize on their behalf but beg you not to lump all rescues together. Just like finding a good breeder I would research the agency in which you plan on adopting from and if you don't agree with their process go elsewhere.

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If the OP had a bad experience with a rescue, my guess is that it is because rescuers DO NOT BREED AND DO NOT ADOPT TO PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN.
No need for you to apologize to the OP for any rescue. Any rescue who adopted to him/her is not a reputable rescue.

OP, I don't know what you are trying to find out, but I don't have the time to answer each of those questions without a full understanding of why they even should be answered.

As to swaying you...not even going to try. You made it abundantly clear that you really don't want to be.

[ChibiLuv]

I wasn't sure if she tried to rescue and was turned away and then decided she wanted to breed or if she had already decided before hand. I have had some very nice people come into my shelter that have been turned down by other rescues due to age, apartment living, or some other silly reason. Sometimes certain rescues only see black and white and no grey. Not saying that makes them bad or good just saying that's what I've seen. I know some people find the home visits intrusive and the lengthy paperwork too much hassle.
Again- No reputable rescue would give a dog to someone that planned to breed. But if it is the home visit the OP has a problem with I know lots of rescues that do not require this. At my shelter we currently have 4 yorkies (3 look full bred) that are available for adoption, no home check needed so just saying their are options out there.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If the OP had a bad experience with a rescue, my guess is that it is because rescuers DO NOT BREED AND DO NOT ADOPT TO PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN.
No need for you to apologize to the OP for any rescue. Any rescue who adopted to him/her is not a reputable rescue.

OP, I don't know what you are trying to find out, but I don't have the time to answer each of those questions without a full understanding of why they even should be answered.

As to swaying you...not even going to try. You made it abundantly clear that you really don't want to be.

ALSO another possibility, if she tried to adopt she may have been turned down for having unaltered pet's, not UTD on Vac's or not on HW Preventive.I know with my Rescue Group, we always do a Vet check and if they say the animal has not been spayed or neutered, has not had Vac's or on HW Preventive we do not adopt to them. We also do a Home Visit as well. You wouldn't belive the things that we have seen during a Home Visit. People at times are not honest on their app.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

ALSO another possibility, if she tried to adopt she may have been turned down for having unaltered pet's, not UTD on Vac's or not on HW Preventive.I know with my Rescue Group, we always do a Vet check and if they say the animal has not been spayed or neutered, has not had Vac's or on HW Preventive we do not adopt to them. We also do a Home Visit as well. You wouldn't belive the things that we have seen during a Home Visit. People at times are not honest on their app.

That's the truth. I did one for someone else one time. While I was there people were in and out of her house. One person said something to her about her pup running out the front door and her answer was that it was ok...he was going to go visit the neighbor!!!!! I was horrified. This happened THREE times that the pup went out the front door while I was there. Before I do a home visit for another person, I always review the application so that I know what I am going to be looking for. Her previous pup had died that year and when I left, I called the person I did the HV for and asked her if she knew why the pup had died. She said she had not asked the vet....she should have, but never mind that. I told her that the pup probably either got run over or was stolen. Oh...he was run over alright...by his owner in her driveway!!! Clearly she had not learned her lesson. Oh she flipped her wig over not being approved to adopt and I am quite sure her story about the horrible rescue she dealt with was not honest about WHY she was turned down.

As for someone else's comments about silly reasons...imho there is NO silly reason to turn someone down. Rescues have a right to standards. First of all, we spend a LOT of money and time on these pups. We are not shelters...we do more than they can do. Yes, a person can easily get one from there...I feel badly about that but nothing we can do because there are not enough foster homes to handle them all. The bottom line is that we are not in the business of making people happy...we are in the business of saving pups and doing our level best to be sure that they are out of the "system" forever. I don't like failures...these pups have already been failed. Anyone who thinks our reasons are silly really does not understand and should probably foster pups themselves to get an idea of how it feels. Be darned if I am going to adopt to a person I don't feel good about.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

I wasn't sure if she tried to rescue and was turned away and then decided she wanted to breed or if she had already decided before hand. I have had some very nice people come into my shelter that have been turned down by other rescues due to age, apartment living, or some other silly reason. Sometimes certain rescues only see black and white and no grey. Not saying that makes them bad or good just saying that's what I've seen. I know some people find the home visits intrusive and the lengthy paperwork too much hassle.
Again- No reputable rescue would give a dog to someone that planned to breed. But if it is the home visit the OP has a problem with I know lots of rescues that do not require this. At my shelter we currently have 4 yorkies (3 look full bred) that are available for adoption, no home check needed so just saying their are options out there.

No disrespect, but just because a person seems nice, it does not make them good pet owners. I learned one thing in rescue...never judge a book by its cover! I have talked withe people who I thought were awesome only to do a vet check and be horrified... I remember a woman in Galveston who I was so excited about. Called the vet...not only did she not do HW preventatives, she had an "outside dog" (something I hate so much...but another topic) who was HW positive and she refused treatment! You really don't know them until you do a vet check and home visit...there is no way I will cut those corners.

This is why we require an application before we will discuss our pups with a person.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

I wasn't sure if she tried to rescue and was turned away and then decided she wanted to breed or if she had already decided before hand. I have had some very nice people come into my shelter that have been turned down by other rescues due to age, apartment living, or some other silly reason. Sometimes certain rescues only see black and white and no grey. Not saying that makes them bad or good just saying that's what I've seen. I know some people find the home visits intrusive and the lengthy paperwork too much hassle.
Again- No reputable rescue would give a dog to someone that planned to breed. But if it is the home visit the OP has a problem with I know lots of rescues that do not require this. At my shelter we currently have 4 yorkies (3 look full bred) that are available for adoption, no home check needed so just saying their are options out there.

I don't consider those to be silly reasons at all.

A Yorkie has a 15+ year life span. Adopting to a senior poses the question of what happens if that person passes away. My parents have adopted 2 dogs in the past 3 years. The rescue required that they be able to list who would be responsible for the dogs in case of death or disability, and then called me to make sure I would be willing to take them on in that case. One of the rescues I adopted from has a blanket policy of no small dogs in a household with small children (5 and under) after they had several pups injured.

As for the apartment thing, again I can see their point. What happens if you move and the next landlord doesn't allow dogs? One of the main reasons dogs are surrendered is because of moving, so why would you risk a dog ending up in a shelter a second time?

[ChibiLuv]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

As for the apartment thing, again I can see their point. What happens if you move and the next landlord doesn't allow dogs? One of the main reasons dogs are surrendered is because of moving, so why would you risk a dog ending up in a shelter a second time?

I must be a horrible pet owner then because I have not one but 2 yorkies in an apartment. I would say that is a silly reason. A reasonably intelligent person can click "allows dogs" on their apartment search, just like I did the last 4 apartments (including one in another state) I've moved to. I am not trying to personally attack rescues, I work at one for crying out loud. And yes maybe they seem nice an they are really lying but I try and see the good in people and we do make sure the adopters have a vet and ask them if any current dogs are on HW prevention and up to date with shots. I am not saying hand out a dog to everyone I am just saying I have seen paperwork from a lady who tried to adopt a doxie for a dachshund rescue who was 60 (which in my book is not too old to have a dog) she was looking for an adult dog and her young daughter was willing to care for the dog if her mom was no longer able to so I found a doxie for her. Happy ending for her and the dog. Again I am just saying their are other options, if you do not like one rescues policies you should look around. If you are a horrible pet owner then you probably wont go through that much trouble and just buy one at the store or go to the city shelter where they don't ask questions.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

I must be a horrible pet owner then because I have not one but 2 yorkies in an apartment. I would say that is a silly reason. A reasonably intelligent person can click "allows dogs" on their apartment search, just like I did the last 4 apartments (including one in another state) I've moved to. I am not trying to personally attack rescues, I work at one for crying out loud. And yes maybe they seem nice an they are really lying but I try and see the good in people and we do make sure the adopters have a vet and ask them if any current dogs are on HW prevention and up to date with shots. I am not saying hand out a dog to everyone I am just saying I have seen paperwork from a lady who tried to adopt a doxie for a dachshund rescue who was 60 (which in my book is not too old to have a dog) she was looking for an adult dog and her young daughter was willing to care for the dog if her mom was no longer able to so I found a doxie for her. Happy ending for her and the dog. Again I am just saying their are other options, if you do not like one rescues policies you should look around. If you are a horrible pet owner then you probably wont go through that much trouble and just buy one at the store or go to the city shelter where they don't ask questions.

Just because you live in an apartment does not make you a bad pet owner...that is not what Donna said.

First of all, you work at a shelter ... people don't work for rescue. They volunteer. And, trust me, there is usually more screening done by rescues because they have the time to do them. They don't have the vast numbers to deal with that shelters do. Shelters don't have the time to do all that rescues do....and they also have to move the pups because there are so many being dumped.

As for Donna's comments about apartment dwellers....she is right...people move and rather than find a place that WILL accept their pup, they just move and leave the pup at a shelter or contact rescue. Not all do...but MANY more than I am comfortable with. Do I ever adopt to someone in an apartment...yes, IF they have proven that when they move, pup goes with..AND only if a pup does not need a yard to play in. Apartments are not always great for some pups. You see, when you foster a few pups, you can take the time to find the best home possible for that particular pup.

Common reasons for owner surrenders:

"I got my pup when I was in high school...or college...now I am married and pregnant and don't have time for my pup."

"I am moving and cannot have my pup where I am going."

"My pup does not like my child and has snapped at him/her."

"My pup has medical problems and I cannot afford to vet him/her."

Those are probably the most common although I might be missing something. I see them day in and day out. So...what to do? Try to find people who are less apt to do that...people who have shown that they are responsible. Does that mean that perhaps I will miss a good adopter? Absolutely, but I would rather miss a good one than to just keep trying to please people and put pups in harms way. I am not in the business of giving people the benefit of the doubt. I make no apologies for that. YES, they can go to a shelter and get one...that's just fine. My pups are going to be placed in the best home that suits their needs.....my obligation is to them.

[ChibiLuv]

Yes I work at a shelter where we rescue animals and we have our rules too, we turn people away all the time. I love my job and take pride in the fact that I really try my hardest to find a forever family for these animals. Yes sometimes they are returned, sometimes people lie and we don't find out until the animal is returned but our return rate is very low and I think overall the homes these animals go to are great ones. Don't worry I have heard all the reasons people surrender. Again I am not attacking rescues. I admire your hard work and dedication! I just say if a particular rescue turns you away and you believe in your heart you a great adopter maybe you should look into other options, I would hate for a great home to have a one bad experience and write off adopting forever. Now if this particular OP is a great home-I kind of doubt it but I am just writing for those few good homes that slip through the cracks. I think at the core we both want the same thing, maybe we just go about it different ways. No disrespect to rescues was meant.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

Yes I work at a shelter where we rescue animals and we have our rules too, we turn people away all the time. I love my job and take pride in the fact that I really try my hardest to find a forever family for these animals. Yes sometimes they are returned, sometimes people lie and we don't find out until the animal is returned but our return rate is very low and I think overall the homes these animals go to are great ones. Don't worry I have heard all the reasons people surrender. Again I am not attacking rescues. I admire your hard work and dedication! I just say if a particular rescue turns you away and you believe in your heart you a great adopter maybe you should look into other options, I would hate for a great home to have a one bad experience and write off adopting forever. Now if this particular OP is a great home-I kind of doubt it but I am just writing for those few good homes that slip through the cracks. I think at the core we both want the same thing, maybe we just go about it different ways. No disrespect to rescues was meant.

Don't get me wrong...I have all the respect for people who work in shelters...and yes, you do rescue animals. You have a very hard job.

I was merely responding to your comments from my perspective. Just sharing the rescue side of things.

[Sunnydayz]

I will let you know why I do the so called invasive home check. I had 2 kittens that I adopted out together from the first litter I raised and adopted out. They told me ( and this is what started me being more thorough) this very sad story of their cat dying from cancer, and I thought it was such a perfect family. Well fast forward a few months later, I found they had lied about living in this area at the beach, and when I contacted them to see how the kittens were doing (mind you this was when they were only around six months old) I found the actually lived in Yosemite national forest, and when I called I got the horrifying news they were both killed. From what they told me, owls had grabbed them out at night, because apparently they were letting them go in and out at will, in the mountains. It sickened me to find out the real story, and to find I had spent so much time and money raising them from 2 days old, only to have them killed just a few months later, well that taught me a huge lesson, that I needed to be much more careful on screening of potential adopters.

The way I see it, if they want to spend the rest of the animals life with them, what is an hour of their time, to make sure they are going to a forever home. Quite honestly I would be happy if someone wanted to come check my home, to make sure not only if I would be the right parent for the pet, but it would also show me they care enough about the animal themselves to make sure it is to be a great forever home for them too. I do not find it invasive at all, and would welcome any rescuer to come and see my home, for their piece of mind, knowing I take great care of my animals. I'm not exactly sure why some would find it invasive, when all they are doing is looking out for the animals best interest, unless they are worried that what they put on paper, is not really what the rescue might find when they do the home check? I don't get it.

I also put in the agreement, that if they ever have to give the animal up, they are obligated to bring it back to me. I actually have a 22 lb cat, that was brought back to me, because their house foreclosed, and they were moving o an apartment that did not allow pets. I myself would never make that type of decision, as my animals always come first and are not expendable. Bruiser the cat that was returned to me is now in his forever home with me, as his age of 2 years old was not what most people look for, they all want the little baby. The litter of kittens Bruiser came from, were born in an oil refinery, because someone dumped the mother there I'm assuming once they found out she was pregnant. The mom ended up dying after giving birth from being crushed because she was hiding in a huge pipe rack, and was a large piece of pipe fell on her.

I guess from my husband being a firefighter, I have seen far too many horrible things that have hap happened to these precious animals, to be more careful then maybe some others might be.

[Peachesmommy]

Thank you to ALL of you for taking the time to answer & express your opinion. Whether we agree or disagree, we have a better understanding of your position, and that is what is important. Again, thanks. Take good care.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Peachesmommy

Thank you to ALL of you for taking the time to answer & express your opinion. Whether we agree or disagree, we have a better understanding of your position, and that is what is important. Again, thanks. Take good care.

Who is we? "we have a better understanding...."? Just curious, exactly why are you asking these questions? Many folks put much thought and time to answering your questions, just curious as to why the questions were originally asked?????