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Old 07-07-2013, 08:15 AM   #16
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How long do you guys think it takes for your babies to learn new tricks i started on shake with bentley yesterday but it seemed more of me take his paw rewarding and sayin yes he did seem to try to me.what do you guys think?
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I totally taught Tibbe to shake without treats by just reaching down and taking his paw, saying "Shake" and shaking it. Then I would take the other paw, say "Shake" and shake it. I did that over and over and over for 3-10 times x3 daily for about two or three days and one time I reached down to take his first paw into my hand and he raised his own paw first. I grinned, said "yes", took the offered paw and shook it and then shoot the other one. Before too much longer he was offering one paw, I'd say "shake" and then "yes", we shake and I'm smile and reach for the other which he was already offering and I would repeat the "shake", say "yes" as I'd shake the offered paw, smile and start over with reaching for the first paw again, which he was offering. Eventually I did start to give him a treat after a few shakes but this is one trick he learned entirely by just repetition, smiling, keeping it fun and him wanting to please.

To teach him to "High Five", I just held my hand up very high with a treat nearby and he reached up high to no doubt offer a shake but I said "yes" when I hit his paw back instead of shaking it and praised him. It took him back a bit but in time, he was on board with offering his paw high up and hitting it against mine instead of shaking when I said "High Five" and then going on to the other paw for the same. So I raise my hand up high, say "High Five" as the command, we hit paw to hand, I say "yes" to mark and then praise. Eventually you cut out the "yes" marking word as they no longer need it - just the command, the trick and the praise and treat. But this one trick I just taught him sitting around whenever he was near and we could have a little repetition time. Now he'll come dancing across the floor on only 3 legs with one paw raised up high when you offer a high hand flattened out toward him and say "High Five"! He just loves doing it. And he still shakes when you put your hand down low and/or say "Shake". We High Five a lot during ball games on TV!
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:09 AM   #18
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I can understand the idea of keeping your pup out as long as 45 minutes to an hour, but it's the absolute height of summer right now in South Texas and thus 95-100 degrees, and I don't want to keep my girl out there and have to worry about heat stroke. If it was October through April though I would definitely do that.
Yo could pad train and leave her in a play pen with just the pad and no room to move of the pad until she goes.
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Callie learns very fast and can pick up the basics of a command in 10 to 20 minutes no joke then we just work on her being better at it every day. She knows sit, lay, shake/high five with both paws, beg, roll over, jump through the hoop, spin, go to bed, poo and pee (yes I consider this tricks lol) after I get over being sick we are going to work on more tricks.
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How long do you guys think it takes for your babies to learn new tricks i started on shake with bentley yesterday but it seemed more of me take his paw rewarding and sayin yes he did seem to try to me.what do you guys think?
It depends on the trick really. For example, it took him about five minutes or so to learn "play dead." It took a week or two (with one or two five minute sessions per day) for him to learn how to back up.
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It took a year for Tibbe to learn to sit up and beg. Course I missed some whole months at a time of training him as he was just so poor at it and seemed to haven't enough strength or balance or something to stay up. But one day he got it, he stayed up for a long time and we were each so proud! He finally got it and can often stay up for quite a time.
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Omg guys i took in everything u said i didnt get s clicker justbdid the positive reinforcement and yes and bentley now knows shake im so happyyy
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Omg guys i took in everything u said i didnt get s clicker justbdid the positive reinforcement and yes and bentley now knows shake im so happyyy
Isn't your own little baby offering you his tiny paw just the cutest thing you EVER saw? Yorkies playing shake and high five are so adorable!

And big congratulations, by the way!!!
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I cut Callie's treats into small pieces of the chewy buddy biscuits look like gingerbread men and they break really easy.
Good idea, I use Zukes the tiny treats. They are the perfect size.

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I can understand the idea of keeping your pup out as long as 45 minutes to an hour, but it's the absolute height of summer right now in South Texas and thus 95-100 degrees, and I don't want to keep my girl out there and have to worry about heat stroke. If it was October through April though I would definitely do that.
You could always wait until later in the evening when it is cooler to do your training outdoors.

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Omg guys i took in everything u said i didnt get s clicker justbdid the positive reinforcement and yes and bentley now knows shake im so happyyy
Great News Keep it up !!

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I know some people love clicker training but it never would have worked for Gracie since she is not really food motivated. When she was young I had a hard time getting her to eat her food so filling her up on treats would not have been a good thing as far as getting her to eat what she was supposed to eat.

Any kind of training just takes a lot of repetition and reward. They do need to learn key words and phrases and praise and reward are good ways of reinforcing the right behavior. Training has to be done on a daily basis and you have to keep reenforcing the training once they learn. Once class isn't enough to train a dog. A class is to teach the owner what to do on a daily basis in order to communicate with the dog.
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I know some people love clicker training but it never would have worked for Gracie since she is not really food motivated. When she was young I had a hard time getting her to eat her food so filling her up on treats would not have been a good thing as far as getting her to eat what she was supposed to eat.

Any kind of training just takes a lot of repetition and reward. They do need to learn key words and phrases and praise and reward are good ways of reinforcing the right behavior. Training has to be done on a daily basis and you have to keep reenforcing the training once they learn. Once class isn't enough to train a dog. A class is to teach the owner what to do on a daily basis in order to communicate with the dog.
Absolutely all true. Repetition is the key to dogs learning to do something we want to teach them. And the dogs want to train - they beg for it once they learn what it involves and how rewarding and positive it all is for them. I couldn't stop training Tibbe if I wanted to - he wouldn't let me. He'd nag me to death until I gave in and ran him through all of his commands a couple of more times. And I almost always add something new for him to learn. He really like that.
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I don't like the Clicker because...

1) I don't like someone else to just be able to pick up a device and control my animals. I think it's basically used for simple commands, but, I still don't like that.

2) What if you loose it ? Do those Classes teach Verbal backup commands, and to what extent. And if you're going to have Verbal commands, why use the Clicker at all.

3) Even with someone who is Verbally Challenged, that person could still rely on Visual (hand) Signals to communicate with his animal.

4) I can see it being of value for an Invalid person to summon his animal. But wouldn't a Bell be as useful, more customary, and have much greater range than a Clicker?
You're missing the whole point of the clicker.

1. Not anyone can just grab a clicker and your dog magically obeys them. The clicker is not some mystical device that makes you capable of controlling all dogs in the universe. It's simply a training tool. My sister is 5 years old and likes to play with the clicker -- she will be clicking away and he doesn't even care or go running to her. He understands when we're in 'training mode'.

2. If you lose it, it's no big deal, because it's not something you carry with you 24/7. You don't NEED a clicker in order for the dog to listen to you. You're only supposed to use it in the initial stages of training a trick or command anyway. And if you have established that bond and connection with your dog, it's not going to be a problem. Jackson and I have a fantastic communication system built, so a lack of a clicker is not deter-mental to a training session.

3. Not really sure what you're asking here, but I have used a clicker and also use voice and hand signals at the same time. It works for us, because as I said, we have a great bond already and he's good at reading what I want.

4. "Summon your animal"? That's not the point of a clicker. A clicker is not supposed to be a 'call' for your dog. In other words, doing a 'click' in one room while your dog is in the other is not supposed to cause your dog to jump up and come when called. That's NOT the purpose of a clicker.

'Clicker training' really should be called something else -- like 'marker training'. Using your voice, saying 'yes', etc, is still essentially 'clicker training'. People have this misconception about a 'clicker' and that you have to have it on you at all times or the dog won't listen, but that's completely not the point.
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Positive reinforement and treats worked for us in obedience training, but I found clicker training somewhat irritating in a class setting, and all those clickers going off at once can be confusing for some dogs. I've even seen a few shy dogs and their owners drop out of agility, the dog refusing to enter the building because they were so fearful of the sound, so I wouldn't recommend it for every dog. Having said that, I do use the clicker at home when teaching Guinness' complex tricks.

One thing I would like to share… young pups are more visual learners at first than they are verbal. In puppy class we are taught to say the command and combine it with giving a hand signals thinking they understand both, but do they?

We were in a advance class of twenty dogs one day, when the trainer stopped us midway and had everyone stand 3 feet in front of their dogs. People were told to put their hands in their pocket and instructed not to move any part of our body, the only thing we were allowed to to do was to talk. We cycled through the basic commands verbally- sit, down, stand follow by stay, come and finish. At the end of that exercise, we were told only 3 out of 20 dogs understood all verbal commands, that if you were standing behind your dog giving a verbal command, do not yell or get frustrated with your dog because he/she did not do what you've asked, because they can't see the hand signal behind them and don't understand you what you ask of them, that it is not their fault. People were stunned. It was a valuable learning experience.

I've always believe that dog training classes are really more for people and that we are responsible for what our dogs learn, bad or good. Be kind, positive and make it fun.
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You're missing the whole point of the clicker.

1. Not anyone can just grab a clicker and your dog magically obeys them. The clicker is not some mystical device that makes you capable of controlling all dogs in the universe. It's simply a training tool. My sister is 5 years old and likes to play with the clicker -- she will be clicking away and he doesn't even care or go running to her. He understands when we're in 'training mode'.

2. If you lose it, it's no big deal, because it's not something you carry with you 24/7. You don't NEED a clicker in order for the dog to listen to you. You're only supposed to use it in the initial stages of training a trick or command anyway. And if you have established that bond and connection with your dog, it's not going to be a problem. Jackson and I have a fantastic communication system built, so a lack of a clicker is not deter-mental to a training session.



3. Not really sure what you're asking here, but I have used a clicker and also use voice and hand signals at the same time. It works for us, because as I said, we have a great bond already and he's good at reading what I want.

4. "Summon your animal"? That's not the point of a clicker. A clicker is not supposed to be a 'call' for your dog. In other words, doing a 'click' in one room while your dog is in the other is not supposed to cause your dog to jump up and come when called. That's NOT the purpose of a clicker.

'Clicker training' really should be called something else -- like 'marker training'. Using your voice, saying 'yes', etc, is still essentially 'clicker training'. People have this misconception about a 'clicker' and that you have to have it on you at all times or the dog won't listen, but that's completely not the point.
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You're missing the whole point of the clicker.

1. Not anyone can just grab a clicker and your dog magically obeys them. The clicker is not some mystical device that makes you capable of controlling all dogs in the universe. It's simply a training tool. My sister is 5 years old and likes to play with the clicker -- she will be clicking away and he doesn't even care or go running to her. He understands when we're in 'training mode'.

2. If you lose it, it's no big deal, because it's not something you carry with you 24/7. You don't NEED a clicker in order for the dog to listen to you. You're only supposed to use it in the initial stages of training a trick or command anyway. And if you have established that bond and connection with your dog, it's not going to be a problem. Jackson and I have a fantastic communication system built, so a lack of a clicker is not deter-mental to a training session.

3. Not really sure what you're asking here, but I have used a clicker and also use voice and hand signals at the same time. It works for us, because as I said, we have a great bond already and he's good at reading what I want. And some dogs just aren't trick dogs either. I had a dog that would shake. Thats it. But he would come and follow me perfect. Come and stay are the most important anyways. And leave it. If they can master all those thats the best. Could save there life

4. "Summon your animal"? That's not the point of a clicker. A clicker is not supposed to be a 'call' for your dog. In other words, doing a 'click' in one room while your dog is in the other is not supposed to cause your dog to jump up and come when called. That's NOT the purpose of a clicker.

'Clicker training' really should be called something else -- like 'marker training'. Using your voice, saying 'yes', etc, is still essentially 'clicker training'. People have this misconception about a 'clicker' and that you have to have it on you at all times or the dog won't listen, but that's completely not the point.
Yup clicker training and" yes" it the same thing. Basically if you train your dog to shake. You grab there paw give them a treat. Do it a few times every day. When they do it on there own you click he clicker or say" yes." The know they will get a treat and they know thats what you want them to do. Took Moki oneday to learn to shake. But it took a month to get him to switch paws. Took him a few tries to bang dead and roll over. But took a few weeks to sit up on his hinds. Each trick is different for each dog

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