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CouversMom 06-20-2013 11:54 AM
I think at this point, we've all established our opinions. It doesn't really matter what anyone says, teacup will never be an accepted term in the yorkie world.

I liked the comparison someone made of teacups to special needs children. Both are special in their own ways and are not inherently 'bad'. But why purposely breed a dog so small that can be so easily hurt? Even if they are 'healthy', one jump off of the couch could break their legs... Why would you want to do that do a dog?

Breeders should be breeding for healthy dogs. If they happen to have a tiny, that's one thing... But to purposely bring litters of tinies into this world is inhumane imo.

Lovetodream88 06-20-2013 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249950)
Okay well I apologize for saying teacup and starting WWIII i was just saying the opposite of teapot
Sometimes its good because other people who don't know will read these threads and learn

cindersellie 06-20-2013 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4249955)
I posted what I felt about "teacup" dogs' lives and the people that willingly create them. I will never stop trying to warn people on any thread about the subject of the "teacup" Yorkie and per the rules, that is what I did. New readers join everyday and we have visitors who may not know some of the issues I and others posted.
:thumbup::thumbup: Just restate as needed about thread debates. There's quite a few doosies on this site- I personally like the one about the lady who didn't undress in front of her dog. If I find it, I'll bump it again!

yakkwak 06-20-2013 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249935)
I had no problem with you until you wanted to attack my breeder and told me put my money where my mouth is as if I was sitting up lying about my breeder or something but again...not getting into it with you.
xoCourtney- I absolutely agree with you. It was totally unprovoked, uncalled for, aggressive, and unnecessary. It would have been much classier if you had received an apology. The psychological dynamics are fascinating. Hey, guess you know where and where you cannot pose a philosophical question for intellectual discussion without some gutter responses.... Well, you DID receive some pearls of wisdom from this, even if you came away with blade cuts....

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4249906)
Many of us have gotten our yorkies from bad breeders/puppy mills so we want to warm other people of the heartbreak that getting a dog from a bad breeder can cause. We also want people to stop buying from bad breeders/puppy mills so they stop making money and have to shut down. We HAVE to be be the voice for those who can not speak.
This exactly. I didn't know better when I got Uni. Turned out she was from a broker. :( Even though she a great dog, she has LP and pancreatits, allergies to who knows what and a very poor sparse coat. For the amount I paid for her, I could have gotten her from a reputable show breeder! So I try to warn others about brokers and millers now.

cindersellie 06-20-2013 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4249956)
I think at this point, we've all established our opinions. It doesn't really matter what anyone says, teacup will never be an accepted term in the yorkie world.

I liked the comparison someone made of teacups to special needs children. Both are special in their own ways and are not inherently 'bad'. But why purposely breed a dog so small that can be so easily hurt? Even if they are 'healthy', one jump off of the couch could break their legs... Why would you want to do that do a dog?

Breeders should be breeding for healthy dogs. If they happen to have a tiny, that's one thing... But to purposely bring litters of tinies into this world is inhumane imo.
Funny part is, at one point, they had to be doing that to get the standard down to what it is today.< just a thought. I agree that any smaller isn't needed to be purposely bred for. More breeders that breed good healthy lines are needed!

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249924)
I never said I was but you should really watch how you talk to people because it makes people not want to come here and that's a shame. This website is full of information and for the most part nice people.

And if you're going to continue to be rude to me you really don't have to participate in my thread sweetie :)
If you feel like someone is being rude to you, you can ignore them or report them, but being rude right back to them isn't helpful and you're doing just the same. And again with those sarcastic smiley. This is the third time I've seen you post something sarcastic to chachi on this thread.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4249955)
I posted what I felt about "teacup" dogs' lives and the people that willingly create them. I will never stop trying to warn people on any thread about the subject of the "teacup" Yorkie and per the rules, that is what I did. New readers join everyday and we have visitors who may not know some of the issues I and others posted.
And educating is okay you guys are the reason I didn't buy an unhealthy dog! But belittling those who want smaller dogs is not okay to me.

yorkietalkjilly 06-20-2013 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cindersellie (Post 4249973)
Funny part is, at one point, they had to be doing that to get the standard down to what it is today.< just a thought. I agree that any smaller isn't needed to be purposely bred for. More breeders that breed good healthy lines are needed!
But smaller than 4 lbs. is just a fragile dog. It's time to stop this madness and protect our dogs so they are not so small they get hurt just jumping down from the furniture or off the porch.

CouversMom 06-20-2013 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cindersellie (Post 4249973)
Funny part is, at one point, they had to be doing that to get the standard down to what it is today.< just a thought. I agree that any smaller isn't needed to be purposely bred for. More breeders that breed good healthy lines are needed!
This is true, but at that point, those dogs weren't so small that they were breaking their legs. The tinies (2-4 lbers) are the ones you hear about breaking bones from everyday activities.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yakkwak (Post 4249969)
xoCourtney- I absolutely agree with you. It was totally unprovoked, uncalled for, aggressive, and unnecessary. It would have been much classier if you had received an apology. The psychological dynamics are fascinating. Hey, guess you know where and where you cannot pose a philosophical question for intellectual discussion without some gutter responses.... Well, you DID receive some pearls of wisdom from this, even if you came away with blade cuts....
Thank you! Yet somehow I'm made out to be the bad guy. Of course I have hard feelings towards chachi now. And I DID try to ignore her but that only works for so long for a 21 year old...but thank you and yes I have been more then educated on both sides of the issue!

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cindersellie (Post 4249939)
Call your state representative. Unless we limit the amount of dogs that can be on a property- BYBs and puppymills will always exist. Be heard by people who make the laws.
That's kind of part of the problem though! If you have over a certain number of dogs (here in my county it's 3) you have to pay a kennel fee for a license, even if you are not breeding. However, once you pay that small fee, there isn't a cap to how many you can have! I'm sure bybs pay the fee and then give the least amount of legal care and no one can do anything about it. A lot of new proposed laws will harm the reputable breeders who follow rules, and not really harm those who don't follow the rules in the first place.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4249981)
This is true, but at that point, those dogs weren't so small that they were breaking their legs. The tinies (2-4 lbers) are the ones you hear about breaking bones from everyday activities.
So 4lbs is considered tiny?

CouversMom 06-20-2013 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249983)
Thank you! Yet somehow I'm made out to be the bad guy. Of course I have hard feelings towards chachi now. And I DID try to ignore her but that only works for so long for a 21 year old...but thank you and yes I have been more then educated on both sides of the issue!
I knew you were young :) Don't worry, after you've been on here for a few more years... You will understand. We have hundreds of new members that join and this teacup discussion comes up a LOT. It gets old, so that is why a few members are a little more harsh with their answers.

yakkwak 06-20-2013 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249983)
Thank you! Yet somehow I'm made out to be the bad guy. Of course I have hard feelings towards chachi now. And I DID try to ignore her but that only works for so long for a 21 year old...but thank you and yes I have been more then educated on both sides of the issue!
Then the kind people who offered you their opinions in a civilized and educative manner have been successful!! You were wondering about something and now you have knowledge. Knowledge is power!!! Yeah!!! Happy dance. To me, this is what makes up the best part of YT!!!!


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