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Teresa Ford 02-21-2013 06:05 PM

Practical Advice.
Mia is not getting enough exercise or interaction with her people. Since you are the PLP (Parent/Provider, Leader, and Protector) It is up to you to change things, you are a family. Compromise if you can. Rigid rules seldom work well with Yorkies and small children. Being a happy family is really you goal right ?
If possible try a dog walker, doggie day care or find some one who comes into your home a few hours a day to play and be with your dog. It will take effort and money to make this happen. Things are not working, so change is needed.
Your Yorkie is used to a lot of attention and now she is banned to a closet most of her life. Even people that use an exercise pen, in a sunny kitchen with patio doors for the dog to see out side would have an unhappy dog given your schedule.
Would you consider allowing her to sleep in your bed room even if it not in the bed ?
This would be much better than returning her to the closet. In a dogs mind sleep time counts, as together time too.
Hope this helps, Teresa

Charlies Mamma 02-21-2013 06:08 PM

I am very bothered by the repeated use of the word "caged" so often, and I am saddened that this poor baby is being reprimanded for loving her human so much. I am trying to keep in mind that not everyone lets their babies have run of the house like I do however, this little one is confined so often and unless she tears things up chews on things or has potty issues (all of which she could be trained not to do) I dont understand why she would need to be. If your fiance is worried about cleanliness of your yorkie the simple solution is keep her well groomed, if she is worried about her jumping up on visitors she can be trained not to do that. but I am guessing that if she is confined so often she may jump up on you or anyone for the excitement of being out and free. I just dont think it is fair to the puppy to have to live this way, she just wants to love and be loved.

Nancy1999 02-21-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 4142949)
Practical Advice.
Mia is not getting enough exercise or interaction with her people. Since you are the PLP (Parent/Provider, Leader, and Protector) It is up to you to change things, you are a family. Compromise if you can. Rigid rules seldom work well with Yorkies and small children. Being a happy family is really you goal right ?
If possible try a dog walker, doggie day care or find some one who comes into your home a few hours a day to play and be with your dog. It will take effort and money to make this happen. Things are not working, so change is needed.
Your Yorkie is used to a lot of attention and now she is banned to a closet most of her life. Even people that use an exercise pen, in a sunny kitchen with patio doors for the dog to see out side would have an unhappy dog given your schedule.
Would you consider allowing her to sleep in your bed room even if it not in the bed ?
This would be much better than returning her to the closet. In a dogs mind sleep time counts, as together time too.
Hope this helps, Teresa

Great suggestions!

Yorkiemom1 02-21-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 4142949)
Practical Advice.
Mia is not getting enough exercise or interaction with her people. Since you are the PLP (Parent/Provider, Leader, and Protector) It is up to you to change things, you are a family. Compromise if you can. Rigid rules seldom work well with Yorkies and small children. Being a happy family is really you goal right ?
If possible try a dog walker, doggie day care or find some one who comes into your home a few hours a day to play and be with your dog. It will take effort and money to make this happen. Things are not working, so change is needed. Your Yorkie is used to a lot of attention and now she is banned to a closet most of her life. Even people that use an exercise pen, in a sunny kitchen with patio doors for the dog to see out side would have an unhappy dog given your schedule.
Would you consider allowing her to sleep in your bed room even if it not in the bed ?This would be much better than returning her to the closet. In a dogs mind sleep time counts, as together time too.
Hope this helps, Teresa

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Give the lady a Cupie Doll!!! TF has offered SOUND ANALYSIS and workable solutions. I would think if NONE of these options offered are agreeable to you and fiance, then perhaps you need to think about rehoming the little baby. She is clearly miserable in the current situation....but I personally think if you put YOUR foot down, try and solve the issue with suggestions given, and if they do not work, just help fiance understand this little dog wont hardly take up much space at all in the bed....and on those "special nights", Mia can be in her playpen in your room until "special" is over, and then she can come back to bed!

KazzyK810 02-21-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4142805)
As pack animals, canines instinctively want to sleep near or on pack mates for security and comfort from other predators. They are usually quite uncomfortable alone nights unless taught over time to go against that instinct. They aren't nocturnal animals and usually like to spend the dark hours curled up securely within the sleeping perimeter of their pack and often changing positions for additional security and comfort.

Jeanie, such a great explanation as to why dogs like to sleep with their humans at night!

yorkietalkjilly 02-21-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by electricevoix (Post 4142778)
Again just to clarify my fiance is not giving me an ultimatum that the dog goes or she goes. Trust me I found my soulmate, the relationship is going to end because of Mia. I would bet the ranch and everything I own on that. In any case like I've said i'm trying to break old habits of hers and looking for help so she can get used to a new style for her in our new home that's it.



To answer your question, every morning I wake up do my thing get ready and head downstairs. Once I head downstairs I immediately let Mia out, tell her to go potty and she runs into the bathroom with a pad i've laid out for her already and she does her business. She's already adjusted to the new layout of the house and where she goes to the bathroom. I finish getting my things together before I leave for work, i'd say about half hour. During this time she's running around, following me and I like to play with her for about 10 minutes before I leave the house. I'm out the door by 7. All depending on the way the work day goes I'm home anywhere between 8:30-10:00. My fiance is normally home anywhere between 9-10:00 (we both have the same profession). Regardless of who is home first, first thing I do is take off my jacket, let Mia out and tell her to go potty. She does have a pad in her caged in area which she normally does her business during the day if she has too. I wouldn't expect any animal or human to hold it in for that long. So she does her business in the bathroom, I clean up and proceed to get settled and comfortable till I go to bed. During this time she's following me around the house upstairs or downstairs, sits in the bathroom while I shower and then I try to watch a little tv to relax the brain after a long day. Normally between an hr to an hour and half. Normally during this time she's grabbing her toys and I know she wants to play so I play with her for a few minutes, she eventually gives up on the toy and wants on my lap so I pull her into my lap, relax till I go to bed then it's lights out for everyone, which ends up being around 12:30ish.

Thank you for taking the time to answer that question. It does tell me that the dog is getting very little actual time for connecting and interacting with you on any meaningful basis after all the time being somewhat coddled. Dogs are sentient pack animals, especially many of the small to medium-sized terriers. They have extremely alert, sensitive and active minds and hunger for closeness and oneness with their pack and jobs in life. Terriers were bred to work and work is what they are all about. They need meaning and worth to their lives and long hours alone and sleeping separated and alone from their pack plus little time working actively to achieve anything can be extremely frustrating, especially after the doting lifestyle this one just had to give up a while back with the change of homes.

I would give this baby a day or two of a good, reputable doggie daycare, hire a dog sitter to spend one - two hours a day working with that little one and take some TV time to work training the little one in obedience and/or a little simple agility work with short, homemade jumps and cardboard-box tunnels. Positive, reinforcing treat reward and genuine praise and a good, hard play session after each working session is a good ending, then a short turn to potty on the pad or outside on the porch and even a turn on the snowy sidewalk just to get some air and a sniff of the wonderful outside world will likely work wonders to help your dog feel it lives for a reason and achieves something in its day. Dogs LOVE to work at learning tricks and interactive toys. I feed my dog using only interactive toys he has to work at to get his food from. Takes him 30 - 60 minutes sometimes to eat and he often has to work to get the food out. He's a happy camper while he's "hunting" and "working" for his dinner. He's so happy with his dinnertime and comes and kisses me and rolls around when he's finally "hunted" all his dinner out of the kong toys and puzzles! You can just tell he thinks his life is good.

Part of each day we work at his obedience tricks and his agility. I sit him in my lap and talk directly to him about things and ask him questions. Silly but he seems to like it. He watches TV with me evenings. We take a good walk at least once daily, with the whole way up the block allowing him to stop and sniff and hike his leg all he wants and then back down the block, we "heel" and walk fast, stopping for nothing in order to get his legs really going, his muscles working. He goes outside in the backyard to play and chase squirrels, meet the neighbor's dogs through the fence several times a day. For a snack, he gets a puzzle toy he has to work to move pieces out of the way to uncover his kibble treats. He has ready access to the floor to ceiling living room and huge den windows to survey the outside world and keep watch at all times. He sleeps with me nights. He has no behavior problems other than a panic attack and those seem cyclical. He hasn't had one now in about 3 weeks. He was severely neglected for the first 9 mos. of his life, living alone in a cage under a roof outside in the elements but 99% of his fears and all of his behavior problems we have worked through. When I worked after I first got him, a good deal of the evening and weekends was spent doing all of those same things, just for less time for each activity.

Also, as I said in my other post, I would use a good secure crate, start by placing it by the bed at night, toss a treat or two in from time to time only when the dog is quiet, ignore whining, etc., and slowly but surely move it away from the bed and down the hall if you have to sleep that separately from the dog.

Hopefully by giving more quality time to your dog and changing some things, giving more meaning and work to the dog's day and slowly adjusting the sleeping quarters can help your situation. Best of luck to you.

Ldyrev1 02-21-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by electricevoix (Post 4142778)
Again just to clarify my fiance is not giving me an ultimatum that the dog goes or she goes. Trust me I found my soulmate, the relationship is going to end because of Mia. I would bet the ranch and everything I own on that. In any case like I've said i'm trying to break old habits of hers and looking for help so she can get used to a new style for her in our new home that's it.

To answer your question, every morning I wake up do my thing get ready and head downstairs. Once I head downstairs I immediately let Mia out, tell her to go potty and she runs into the bathroom with a pad i've laid out for her already and she does her business. She's already adjusted to the new layout of the house and where she goes to the bathroom. I finish getting my things together before I leave for work, i'd say about half hour. During this time she's running around, following me and I like to play with her for about 10 minutes before I leave the house. I'm out the door by 7. All depending on the way the work day goes I'm home anywhere between 8:30-10:00. My fiance is normally home anywhere between 9-10:00 (we both have the same profession). Regardless of who is home first, first thing I do is take off my jacket, let Mia out and tell her to go potty. She does have a pad in her caged in area which she normally does her business during the day if she has too. I wouldn't expect any animal or human to hold it in for that long. So she does her business in the bathroom, I clean up and proceed to get settled and comfortable till I go to bed. During this time she's following me around the house upstairs or downstairs, sits in the bathroom while I shower and then I try to watch a little tv to relax the brain after a long day. Normally between an hr to an hour and half. Normally during this time she's grabbing her toys and I know she wants to play so I play with her for a few minutes, she eventually gives up on the toy and wants on my lap so I pull her into my lap, relax till I go to bed then it's lights out for everyone, which ends up being around 12:30ish.

It appears to me that you do care very much for your Mia. I'm believe you are looking for help in providing Mia what she needs and still have her in your life and I applaud you for this.

I was wondering if there might be a doggy daycare in your area where Mia could spend her days with other dogs and people and receive attention that you are not able to provide during the daytime. I know a lot of people have the same situation that you have in that they just can't be home for their pets during the day and they take their dogs to a daycare designed to meet that need and help your pup enjoy her day and still be able to enjoy her owner in the evening. These people praise all the attention and care their pets receive. I would suggest that the first thing to do would be to find a place like this that can provide care and attention for your pet during the day then go about working on behaviors at home in a way that is truly positive for everyone. If you can find a solution to address the hours you are away, the rest will come with positive reinforcement. Mia wants only to make you happy.

I do suggest however that you talk again with your fiance about your devoted Mia and allowing her to share your bed. Any reason she can't sleep with you on your side of the bed? It's difficult enough for Mia to learn to live with someone new who has different habits and patterns that she is not familiar with, if Mia receives the same level or very closely to that level of care that you had provided her in your prior living arrangements I am certain that Mia's ability to adapt to the other changes in her life would be much easier for her to adapt to.

Did you really mean to say "the relationship is going to end because of Mia"??? I find this extremely sad. That someone who says they love you would be so totally unbending if they understood your love for this pup and this pup's love for you. Everyone makes sacrifices when they begin new relationships but it is so much easier for the people in your pups life to make adjustments than for your pup to have to feel such extreem separation anxiety from the person she has loved with her whole heart for the last four years. I hope this is something you and your fiance can work out so that your Mia isn't the one who suffers. I wish you the best of luck in your new relationship, and pray that Mia's relationship with you is not what you end up sacrificing. I pray for peace in all your relationships. Blessings!

yorkietalkjilly 02-21-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 4143056)
Jeanie, such a great explanation as to why dogs like to sleep with their humans at night!

Thank you! Watching feral dogs and reading a good deal about pack animals brought me to those conclusions. They do seem to seek other pack members out at bedtime and sleep very close to one another and they do change their positions in the perimeter during the night. Often they sleep back to back. Also as their sleep cycles change in the night, they change their body positions.

MandiesMom 02-21-2013 08:12 PM

I just wanted to pop in here and say/suggest a couple of things and then I will leave it at that.

First, I think it is great that you actually came here looking for help with your situation. THAT proves that you love Mia.

With that said, do what is best for Mia. She didn't choose you...you chose her. She fell in love with her human. She did what she was supposed to do. If changes in your life have so drastically changed to the point that Mia cannot be given the loving attention she NEEDS from you, then do the loving thing and find a better home for Mia.

The fact that she is caged for that long every day is not right by any stretch of the imagination. Rooms with couches and beds can be closed off or gated off. Cage the furniture. She doesn't have to sleep in your bed to get what she needs. Bobbi suggested an xpen in your bedroom. That's a perfect compromise. A dog walker is another perfect answer..this gives human interaction, especially during your busy work months.

If you can't do those things I just stated, then love her enough to find her a home that can give her the time and attention she, not only was given and had yanked away from her, but that she needs. Why would she not whine, bark, and act out? Of course she is. She's being neglected...you might not realize it, but she is. You love her..then do what's best for her. If she doesn't fit in your new life...give her a new life. What she has now is a solitary confinement death sentence.

I am being honest and trying to help. I wouldn't even have posted if I didn't believe you wanted to help Mia. All I can do now is pray that you take our advice. And, again, thank you for asking (many wouldn't).

electricevoix 02-21-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ldyrev1 (Post 4143084)
It appears to me that you do care very much for your Mia. I'm believe you are looking for help in providing Mia what she needs and still have her in your life and I applaud you for this.

I was wondering if there might be a doggy daycare in your area where Mia could spend her days with other dogs and people and receive attention that you are not able to provide during the daytime. I know a lot of people have the same situation that you have in that they just can't be home for their pets during the day and they take their dogs to a daycare designed to meet that need and help your pup enjoy her day and still be able to enjoy her owner in the evening. These people praise all the attention and care their pets receive. I would suggest that the first thing to do would be to find a place like this that can provide care and attention for your pet during the day then go about working on behaviors at home in a way that is truly positive for everyone. If you can find a solution to address the hours you are away, the rest will come with positive reinforcement. Mia wants only to make you happy.

I do suggest however that you talk again with your fiance about your devoted Mia and allowing her to share your bed. Any reason she can't sleep with you on your side of the bed? It's difficult enough for Mia to learn to live with someone new who has different habits and patterns that she is not familiar with, if Mia receives the same level or very closely to that level of care that you had provided her in your prior living arrangements I am certain that Mia's ability to adapt to the other changes in her life would be much easier for her to adapt to.

Did you really mean to say "the relationship is going to end because of Mia"??? I find this extremely sad. That someone who says they love you would be so totally unbending if they understood your love for this pup and this pup's love for you. Everyone makes sacrifices when they begin new relationships but it is so much easier for the people in your pups life to make adjustments than for your pup to have to feel such extreem separation anxiety from the person she has loved with her whole heart for the last four years. I hope this is something you and your fiance can work out so that your Mia isn't the one who suffers. I wish you the best of luck in your new relationship, and pray that Mia's relationship with you is not what you end up sacrificing. I pray for peace in all your relationships. Blessings!

oh no no no I meant to say would not. It's not anything like a deal breaker or causing major major issues in the relationship. I'm just worried that given her whining has become worse in the last couple of days, both working long hours, stressed out and work and sleep deprived might end up in a dumb fight for no reason. I do appreciate people understanding that I do love little Mia and want her to adjust to the new home that's all. I do see what everyone is saying and will refrain from smacking her anymore and just try other approaches. As i'm typing this she's running around the house playing with me getting her some exercise she needs. I do love the little pup and want nothing but the best for her. We'll see how the next couple of days go.

yorkietalkjilly 02-21-2013 09:35 PM

Edits made for clarification/grammar correction bolded below:

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4143083)
Thank you for taking the time to answer that question. It does tell me that the dog is getting very little actual time for connecting and interacting with you on any meaningful basis after all the time being somewhat coddled in the prior home by your grandmother. Dogs are sentient pack animals, especially many of the small to medium-sized terriers. They have extremely alert, sensitive and active minds and hunger for closeness and oneness with their pack and jobs in life. Terriers were bred to work and work is what they are all about. They need meaning and worth to their lives and long hours alone and sleeping separated and alone from their pack plus little time working actively to achieve anything can be extremely frustrating, especially after the doting lifestyle this one just had to give up a while back with the change of homes.

I would give this baby a day or two of a good, reputable doggie daycare, hire a dog sitter to spend one - two hours a day working with that little one and take some TV time to work training the little one in obedience and/or a little simple agility work with short, homemade jumps and cardboard-box tunnels. Positive, reinforcing treat reward and genuine praise and a good, hard play session after each working session is a good ending, then a short turn to potty on the pad or outside on the porch and even a turn on the snowy sidewalk just to get some air and a sniff of the wonderful outside world will likely work wonders to help your dog feel it lives for a reason and achieves something in its day. Dogs LOVE to work at learning tricks and interactive toys. I feed my dog using only interactive toys he has to work at to get his food from. Takes him 30 - 60 minutes sometimes to eat and he often has to work to get the food out. He's a happy camper while he's "hunting" and "working" for his dinner. He's so happy with his dinnertime and comes and kisses me and rolls around when he's finally "hunted" all his dinner out of the kong toys and puzzles! You can just tell he thinks his life is good.

Part of each day we work at his obedience tricks and his agility. I set him in my lap and talk directly to him about things and ask him questions. Silly but he seems to like it. He watches TV with me evenings. We take a good walk at least once daily, with the whole way up the block allowing him to stop and sniff and hike his leg all he wants and then back down the block, we "heel" and walk fast, stopping for nothing in order to get his legs really going, his muscles working. He goes outside in the backyard to play and chase squirrels, meet the neighbor's dogs through the fence several times a day. For a snack, he gets a puzzle toy he has to work to move pieces out of the way to uncover his kibble treats. He has ready access to the floor to ceiling living room and huge den windows to survey the outside world and keep watch at all times. He sleeps with me nights. He has no behavior problems other than a panic attack and those seem cyclical. He hasn't had one now in about 3 weeks. He was severely neglected for the first 9 mos. of his life, living alone in a cage under a roof outside in the elements but 99% of his fears and all of his behavior problems we have worked through. When I worked after I first got him, a good deal of the evening and weekends was spent doing all of those same things, just for less time for each activity.

Also, as I said in my other post, I would use a good secure crate, start by placing it by the bed at night, toss a treat or two in from time to time only when the dog is quiet, ignore whining, etc., and slowly but surely move it away from the bed and down the hall if you have to sleep that separately from the dog. As I said, I sleep with my dog as I feel it's more natural but if you just cannot manage having your dog near her pack at night, some whining at first may be allowed without too much guilt. We've all whined ourselves to sleep at night at one time or another and sometimes dogs must, too; and if you are steadfast and can take it, your little dog will learn in time it gains her no further attention. But do start out slowly to desensitize her to it little by little with that crate very near/next to your bed and slowly move it away night after night. And bear in mind, after the way of life she's had in the former home and now has, any dog would be very, very persistent at trying to sleep near its pack so be prepared for this whining to take some time. Look at it from her perspective and cut her some slack as she whines for you.

Hopefully by giving more quality time to your dog and changing some things, giving more meaning and work to the dog's day and slowly adjusting the sleeping quarters can help your situation. Best of luck to you.


The 4 M 02-21-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4142715)
I will diplomatically leave this to others that can offer solutions. Please, just let me say one or two little things and dont get offended or your feelings hurt....my heart is breaking for this baby girl. She adores you, and for 4 years, she has been an appendage on your body. Now, she has been religated to a downstairs closet. Her heart is broken.....and she is crying for you....and you are responding to her cries for you, by yelling and repremanding her, even spanking her (THIS gives me chest pain!!). Please dont spank this baby...she is broken hearted that you have obviously abandoned her....she KNOWS she is going to get "kicked to the curb" when it is lights out, so even as she is glued to your lap, she is tearful and whining, knowing she is going to loose you again, any minute. Now here is where you may want to stop reading.....
I am 64 years old and have had men come and go.....I have NEVER had a dog abandon me, no matter how bad things got. Your finace is a human, an adult, and is capable of reasoning and has a sense of time,.... past, present, and future. If I was in your situation, (and this is going to send YT'rs screaming and yelling at me), I would be trying to reason with the ADULT in my life, that is "new" to this little family situation, rather than that pup. I can honestly say, with NO regret, I have never, nor would I ever, allow anybody I was with, to come into my life, and start dictating changes and restrictions on my behavior with my pets, that were there BEFORE they were. Now, we can try to keep pup off the furniture, but if I am sitting on the furniture, that pup is welcome in my lap. We can try to keep pup from sleeping with me, but I will not beat my dog over this....because I can assure you of one thing, sweetie.....if it EVER gets down to the nitty gritty in your life, that PUP will NOT leave your side....that fiance.....I would not bet the ranch on it. Just give that theory a trial run and insist the pup be allowed to continue to sleep with you....................has fiance left yet??? If not, good, she got over it and pup is back with her owner, sleeping peacefully, watching over you....if she left....well I told you she wasnt up to the "hard" times!

Agree with all of this. Also have you tried putting her bed in your bedroom at least she can still be close to you and not been locked away alone something she is not used too, this must be upsetting you and your fiancé should be able to see that and knows how much you love your little girl.

nanahas3 02-22-2013 12:17 AM

I have been praying about this little girl all day. Also I know you love her and want what is best for her. It breaks my heart thinking how lonely she probably is without the attention she is used to getting from you. I have seen dogs literally grieve themselves to death when confined like she is after being so close with humans. There was an elderly lady here who passed away and her children did much the same to her little pup and it did not last long. Hopefully for Mia's sake you can find a solution to all this quickly. God bless.

gemy 02-22-2013 03:57 AM

Some ideas
 
Both of you are accountants - why not think about some exchange of services? In your new area, are their folks who would like to dog-sit for you? And you could do their tax returns; this way you would not outlay a lot of money.

I also am of the opinion that closet might be okay for part of the day; but at night time why not your bedroom in a nice play pen or crate? Razzle spends the winter months in his crate on hubby's side of the bed, and warm months on my side (which is by the window).

Our big dogs (well when I had 2) would and did change positions during the night, one always by my side of bed, the other by our bedroom door. They are simply too big to allow in the bed and get too hot on the bed.lol.

I do understand some folks don't want to sleep or have dogs on the bed at all; to each his own in this respect. But dogs are indeed pack members and do best sleeping with their pack.

Now this dog is spending way too much time alone - poor thing. Deprived of both human and perhaps other doggy company. You really need to consider a good pet walker and sitter. I don't with the hours you b oth are working, think that a day care could offer sitting until 8 or 9pm at night. Not sure but it is something you could investigate.

I think the whining and crying at night would be solved - if she had a spot by your bed - her own bedding and crate or xpen or play pen. This way everyone gets a good night's sleep.

Consider your options. Also consider the health and well-being of your dog. Perhaps what is best for your pooch is to consider re-homing her to folks, who can spend much more time with her.

My Yorkie is not quite the velcro dog, that others seem to be; how-ever he has other dogs to play with; and mostly the pups like to be in the room that I am in. Partially because he came into our home with 2 large dogs, so he learnt that the premium place to be is on Mom's feet - cause that is where the big dogs lie. He is also (and the only one) the spoilt brat that is allowed on the furniture. I have blankets on the furniture because he likes the warmth of the blankets. They also are easy to wash, and when company comes to take off the furniture. So this could be an option for you and your fiance.

Still for me I drive home at lunch, spend a few hours with the pups, walk/play train, some days grooming et al. I return to work, and am home about 8ish. But other family members are home starting from 4pm on. So the doggies are only alone for maybe 4 and 2hrs per day. Even still with folks home, always the dogs are at the window waiting for me to return home. Then every-one settles in for the evening.

I guess my whole point is, your dog is used to being a family member, part of the day to day life of her home. This change you have created for her, is a huge change! Alone for what 14 hrs a day? No exercise, no company. Not much of a life for her. I do hope you consider providing some stimulation for her during those very long alone hours.

gracielove 02-22-2013 04:18 AM

Your dog is 4 years old and is accustomed to having human companionship. Dogs are social animals. They do not do well alone. You are leaving this poor soul alone for at least 12 hours a day and I am assuming she is in this dark closet with a gate all that time....alone. How would you like it? A dog is a thinking, feeling creature. Dogs love their people.
You have turned her world upside down. Your work and your BF are the most important things in your life. That is your choice. But the dog was not in on your choices. She is now a prisoner for the major part of her life. You give her a few short minutes of freedom and then expect her to go to her cave. You wonder why she is sad and confused?
If this is all you have to offer this dog then please consider contacting a Yorkie rescue and letting them re home the poor baby. You have nothing to offer the dog. She wants love and companionship and you have neither to offer her. You stated the facts. No one can help you get this dog to accept this kind of a life.

Verbena 02-22-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4143083)
Thank you for taking the time to answer that question. It does tell me that the dog is getting very little actual time for connecting and interacting with you on any meaningful basis after all the time being somewhat coddled. Dogs are sentient pack animals, especially many of the small to medium-sized terriers. They have extremely alert, sensitive and active minds and hunger for closeness and oneness with their pack and jobs in life. Terriers were bred to work and work is what they are all about. They need meaning and worth to their lives and long hours alone and sleeping separated and alone from their pack plus little time working actively to achieve anything can be extremely frustrating, especially after the doting lifestyle this one just had to give up a while back with the change of homes.

I would give this baby a day or two of a good, reputable doggie daycare, hire a dog sitter to spend one - two hours a day working with that little one and take some TV time to work training the little one in obedience and/or a little simple agility work with short, homemade jumps and cardboard-box tunnels. Positive, reinforcing treat reward and genuine praise and a good, hard play session after each working session is a good ending, then a short turn to potty on the pad or outside on the porch and even a turn on the snowy sidewalk just to get some air and a sniff of the wonderful outside world will likely work wonders to help your dog feel it lives for a reason and achieves something in its day. Dogs LOVE to work at learning tricks and interactive toys. I feed my dog using only interactive toys he has to work at to get his food from. Takes him 30 - 60 minutes sometimes to eat and he often has to work to get the food out. He's a happy camper while he's "hunting" and "working" for his dinner. He's so happy with his dinnertime and comes and kisses me and rolls around when he's finally "hunted" all his dinner out of the kong toys and puzzles! You can just tell he thinks his life is good.

Part of each day we work at his obedience tricks and his agility. I sit him in my lap and talk directly to him about things and ask him questions. Silly but he seems to like it. He watches TV with me evenings. We take a good walk at least once daily, with the whole way up the block allowing him to stop and sniff and hike his leg all he wants and then back down the block, we "heel" and walk fast, stopping for nothing in order to get his legs really going, his muscles working. He goes outside in the backyard to play and chase squirrels, meet the neighbor's dogs through the fence several times a day. For a snack, he gets a puzzle toy he has to work to move pieces out of the way to uncover his kibble treats. He has ready access to the floor to ceiling living room and huge den windows to survey the outside world and keep watch at all times. He sleeps with me nights. He has no behavior problems other than a panic attack and those seem cyclical. He hasn't had one now in about 3 weeks. He was severely neglected for the first 9 mos. of his life, living alone in a cage under a roof outside in the elements but 99% of his fears and all of his behavior problems we have worked through. When I worked after I first got him, a good deal of the evening and weekends was spent doing all of those same things, just for less time for each activity.

Also, as I said in my other post, I would use a good secure crate, start by placing it by the bed at night, toss a treat or two in from time to time only when the dog is quiet, ignore whining, etc., and slowly but surely move it away from the bed and down the hall if you have to sleep that separately from the dog.

Hopefully by giving more quality time to your dog and changing some things, giving more meaning and work to the dog's day and slowly adjusting the sleeping quarters can help your situation. Best of luck to you.


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bobohyde 02-22-2013 04:41 AM

From the description of the closet, I would go bonkers if that is were I was kept all day. Is there any way you could change the restricted area to either a larger room or area with a baby gate across the door or an ex-pen? Ex-pens are great. They confine the pup, but don't make them feel claustrophobic or boxed in a small space because they are open. It's the feeling of the large room, they just can't run around that room. There's space for bed, potty pad, and food & water. A much better atmosphere to be in for that long. Also, when my human boys were little, they shared a bedroom. That led to goofing around at bedtime. To distract them, I had a CD player that would play soothing music or stories at bedtime and that helped them calm down and go to sleep. Since you sleep on a different floor, would you be able to have a tv on low or music on low? I don't know if that would work, but I have always left the tv on for company for my dog when I leave the house. I think it also distracts him from outside noises that might upset him. I would really like to see where you confine the pup change. Her life has changed drastically. Please be sympathetic to that and try to understand how she feels. This is the root of the problem you are having. I understand you don't want her having total access to the house while you are sleeping or at work. Just please try to do a larger area or an ex-pen, something with a more open feeling. She feels her life went from being part of a family all day to being alone confined to a claustrophobic closet. This is why she is barking and whining. She is lonely and scared and wants to be with you. I think you can make her more comfortable by helping her to feel less isolated and still part of the family by having her confined area be larger and more open and homey. That's where I'd start.

Verbena 02-22-2013 04:47 AM

Everyone had great suggestions. She had her whole life ripped apart. She needs to get used to her new one. Grandma and you mom are gone. It's a new house and all the rules have changed. It is very hard for her. I live in NY so I understand the weather but since you live in the tri state area you have a lot of great advantages to your disposal.

Basically

1) someone coming into the house is the best because of own environment and your hours. Or Doggie Daycare, she gets interaction with other dogs.

2) changing the place of her staying in. Put in a closet is not great place to be. She needs to have more natural light. Did you maybe think of getting an expen for the living room. I have one, I put a piece of linoleum flooring under it. Put the tv on to something she might like so that there is noise, talking, animals, etc.

3) the spank on the butt. She is getting louder and louder because any noise she does gets attention even if it is a spanking. She is craving attention.

4) I can understand not wanting her on the bed. Maybe transitioning her instead since she is used to it. Either put her on the floor next to the bed. Or if you put the ex pen in the living room you can sleep on the couch a few nights for her to get used to the new environment and all the changes.

Good luck. Please keep us updated.

electricevoix 02-22-2013 06:51 AM

Again I appreciate everyone's feedback and responses. I want to further clarify based on some responses the area where she currently is. It's not like we have her in a tiny little closet area in a dungeon. Like I described it's a very deep closet that it is a very open area. Per my prior visits with the vet they suggest that as long as they have room to move around in and have their bed and some food and water that's all they need. That is coming from severals vets. Her setup she has her old bed from the my parent's a pad in the back of the closet so it isn't directly next to her bed, I know dogs don't like to go potty where they sleep, and she uses the pad so she isn't force to hold anything in during the day. She has food and I give her fresh water every morning. She also have several squeaky toys in the area as well. The door is propped wide open and by wide open I mean it's as if the door weren't even there. There is a baby style gate so she isn't in a crate by any means. I leave one of the downstairs lights on for her so the house isn't pitch black at any point during the day and at night. The coat closet is right by the stairwell and living room. We have window treatments that are permanently drawn and sheers covering the windows so natural light comes through into the house very easily. I just wanted to clairfy the setup since no one can physically see it and might be imagining it to be something it isn't.

DBlain 02-22-2013 07:03 AM

I like the idea that many have suggested of having someone come in during the day to play with her and if possible a walk when the weather permits. Are you considering this? I was lucky when I used to work outside of the home I found responsible teens in my neighborhood that would come in each day after school and take my dogs out and play for a while. They signed a paper each day and made notes if needed, this way I knew they were there. This did not cost much since they were high school kids and their moms were home. Do you know any of your neighbors that you could pay to do this. I also have friends with a pair of pugs and they have an adult pet sitter come in for about 45 min each day, it is more costly than what I did but still not an arm and a leg.

sandy simpson 02-22-2013 07:03 AM

You have to understand Yorkie behavior. Yorkies are full of love and they want to be by us all the time. This breed does not like to be left alone or locked up for long periods of time. Yorkies want to sleep with the owners. They feel secure then. My two Yorkies sleep in our bed and I have no problem with them. Husband better move his butt if the dog wants to be there. Love gives and if you want a Yorkie to love you and protect you and be your Best friend, let that little pooch be by your side. Husband or fiance needs to understand this or it is time for him to sleep on the couch, not the dog!

Florabug 02-22-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 4142949)
Would you consider allowing her to sleep in your bed room even if it not in the bed ?
This would be much better than returning her to the closet. In a dogs mind sleep time counts, as together time too.
Hope this helps, Teresa

Yes, maybe her sleeping in the bedroom with you at night in an xpen or large crate?? Our Harley was a terrible whiner for a while. After we figured out that he just wanted to be with us at night in his xpen, he was perfectly happy. The whinning stopped immediately!

gracielove 02-22-2013 12:56 PM

I don't think anyone is saying that you are keeping your dog in any kind of cruel physical conditions. It's the fact that your dog is alone and confined for the majority of it's life. Yes, she is a dog but dogs are social creatures. If they lived in the wild they live in packs. Since they are not wild they depend on their people for their social interaction. This dog is in a very comfortable closet most of the day and all night...alone. You don't understand why she is unhappy and whining? Can you even imagine living in the kind of isolation this dog is having to submit to? Solitary confinement is considered a very extreme punishment for humans and animals. The vet seems only concerned about her general physical welfare. Dogs are much more complex animals than that. Even dogs kept in laboratories for experimentation are given more interaction than this dog is experiencing.
Your fiancee is adamant that the dog not get on the furniture or be in the bedroom and that also limits any interaction while you are home. What is left for this poor dog? Exercise? Outings? You work 12 hour days. When I worked 12 hour days I was too tired to do much with my kids much less my dog. I have to wonder why you keep her?
If you feel you are doing right by your pet then nothing can be done for her. She will continue to be sad and unhappy. I feel very sorry for her. People have given you suggestions that might help her quality of life but you seem oblivious to what the actual problem is. I find it difficult to understand how you can think that the solitary life in a closet you are giving her is even a slightly adequate way to live.
Yorkies are energetic and loving little dogs. She must be totally frustrated with her very solitary new life. Sadly, you will see neurotic symptoms develop in the future if she continues to live this way.

yorkietalkjilly 02-22-2013 05:55 PM

I'd just add that to me it seems you and your girlfriend are most concerned about her night whining and how to stop it. The suggestions of how to give the little one a more interesting, interactive and involved day that appreciably satisfies her daily activity and family pack-connectivity/interaction needs can help to sufficiently tire her in a positive way so that her pent up energy is worked out by bedtime and she welcomes sleep. Then, by confining her to her crate near the bed and patiently waiting for her to adjust to the new sleeping situation and moving that crate slowly and further away night after night if you must should help her desensitize to these arrangements. Many dogs adjust well to crates for sleeping and reasonable confinement while their family is away until they are housebroken and come to accept the crate as their own little den. Some even prefer a shawl or small blanket be placed over three sides of it to make it cozier for sleeping if they are an insecure dog. But a good, meaningful and working, active day together with meaningful family interaction evenings and a sleeping arrangement that honors yours dogs pack instincts to sleep near to its pack can all work to solve your issues with her current night whining. I hope that you can enrich her life and help her to enjoy it more and that this pleasantly tired girl can find her sleeping arrangements are made a little friendlier for her. Good luck as you work out your problem areas with your sweet little girl. I hope in a few months, all three of you are happily settled within a good lifestyle for all. :)

Charlies Mamma 03-17-2013 02:37 PM

Do we know?
 
Does anyone know what happened with this little one? I have been watching to see if the OP came back with an update but havent seen anything. Hoping maybe they PM'd someone in the group...

EvaNoel 03-17-2013 03:48 PM

May I ask if there is any possiblity that you could have a dog sitter/walker come to your home, at least once a day, while you and your fiance are working long hours? A good workout/walk, or playtime during the day will help to work out anxiety and perhaps help your Yorkie rest better at night.

It is quite possible that your Yorkie is depressed. Separation anxiety can be devastating for an animal that is accustomed to being in the company of their people/family/pack and then left alone. My DIL is a veterinarian and this is more common than most realize, especially in small dogs like Pom's and Yorkies. They even have meds for that. :eek:

It appears that you have more than enough responsibility, but maybe if your Yorkie had a friend, she wouldn't feel so alone ... just a thought. ;)

Good luck, congrats on your new home and please don't let this frustrate you to the point of anything physicial even if ever so simple.

bamawife 03-18-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4142760)
Great post, you said this so much better than I could. All I can say, is to never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever hit a dog. When you get a dog for whatever reason, it is your reponsiblity to care for it until it dies, if you can't provide a good home for it anymore, because you need to please your fiance, you should find someone who can. If your fiance won't compromise with you on this, I think you should probably look for someone else, but if that's not an option, please find a good home for you're little Mia.

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joyce evans 03-18-2013 12:28 PM

If you can..try a large kennel instead of a closet. Looking at walls all day & night is probably boring her as well. The reason I say this is because I bring my pup to work with me everyday. At work she has a large space to run around and play in and she's great but when I take her home she's a different dog so I've had to adjust her space to keep her happy. She still barks and whines but I know that she wants her freedom so that's what she gets until she tires out. There are some really nice kennels out there that look like furniture. PetsMart has some. Maybe if she can see what is going on around her she will calm down. Too..if she is sleeping all day while you are gone then she is ready to go when you get home.

Good Luck!!!

Cerise 03-18-2013 08:51 PM

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So many have said the right things already. I will add that dogs are like children and know who is good for you and who is not. I am not saying your fiance' is all bad, but I will say that anyone coming into your life needs to respect the loving life your furbaby has had with you these past 4 years and try to fit in.

When I got Cerise I was single (divorced) but dating. Cerise never liked ANY of my suitors. Cerise growled, barked, and bit several. One day I decided to downsize and move to an apartment above my ex-husbands because I liked where he lived and we were good friends. And soon one evening we went downstairs to visit him. For Cerise it was love at first sight. She fell in love with Ern so hard that I had to watch when I opened my front door, because she would rush down the stairs to his place scratching on the door. That lead to her crying when she heard his car or voice on the phone. Seriously it did! We gradually started visiting each other more and Ern started babysitting her when I needed to go places without her. It got to the point she didn't want to leave is apt.

Fast forward two years later…we are back together moving into a townhouse this week that we purchased and are also now waiting on our next furbaby to arrive next month

He never changed ANY of the things Cerise was accustomed to and even added more that spoiled her out of this world. She is very happy. She sleeps with us, goes everywhere with us, eats with us, plays with us, entertains us, and literally was what brought us together and we are happy too. :D

Your baby needs to be happy as well. A Yorkie does not shed so getting on the furniture is no big deal. :aimeeyork

Cerise 03-18-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4142715)
I will diplomatically leave this to others that can offer solutions. Please, just let me say one or two little things and dont get offended or your feelings hurt....my heart is breaking for this baby girl. She adores you, and for 4 years, she has been an appendage on your body. Now, she has been religated to a downstairs closet. Her heart is broken.....and she is crying for you....and you are responding to her cries for you, by yelling and repremanding her, even spanking her (THIS gives me chest pain!!). Please dont spank this baby...she is broken hearted that you have obviously abandoned her....she KNOWS she is going to get "kicked to the curb" when it is lights out, so even as she is glued to your lap, she is tearful and whining, knowing she is going to loose you again, any minute. Now here is where you may want to stop reading.....
I am 64 years old and have had men come and go.....I have NEVER had a dog abandon me, no matter how bad things got. Your finace is a human, an adult, and is capable of reasoning and has a sense of time,.... past, present, and future. If I was in your situation, (and this is going to send YT'rs screaming and yelling at me), I would be trying to reason with the ADULT in my life, that is "new" to this little family situation, rather than that pup. I can honestly say, with NO regret, I have never, nor would I ever, allow anybody I was with, to come into my life, and start dictating changes and restrictions on my behavior with my pets, that were there BEFORE they were. Now, we can try to keep pup off the furniture, but if I am sitting on the furniture, that pup is welcome in my lap. We can try to keep pup from sleeping with me, but I will not beat my dog over this....because I can assure you of one thing, sweetie.....if it EVER gets down to the nitty gritty in your life, that PUP will NOT leave your side....that fiance.....I would not bet the ranch on it. Just give that theory a trial run and insist the pup be allowed to continue to sleep with you....................has fiance left yet??? If not, good, she got over it and pup is back with her owner, sleeping peacefully, watching over you....if she left....well I told you she wasnt up to the "hard" times!


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