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MaxYorkieBear · 01-14-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GuinnessStout

SO the vet told Ryan she was too young for all the testing that he could not even know about how her knees or hip felt and that bloodwork was too soon and I am feeding her a crappy food I need to put her on Iams or Science Diet....

Something tells me it's time for a new vet!!

well depending on her size bloodwork really may have to wait.

if shes small enough it takes a lot of blood to do a full panel but they really should be able to check her hips and knees. but i vote for a new vet.

GuinnessStout · 01-14-2013, 02:34 PM

Ryan said he 'everything appears fine"
Well heck I appear find but my knees are shot!!

Lil Sis · 01-14-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Agreed.

me too!

lynzy420 · 01-14-2013, 03:34 PM

Really? omg give me his number I will call and handle this...lmao
You need a new vet...period.

Lovetodream88 · 01-14-2013, 03:40 PM

I agree with the new vet thing too.

cindersellie · 01-14-2013, 03:52 PM

When you start looking for a new vet, make sure you talk to the receiptionist. If she has great people skills, knows alot about dogs, along with the vet, then you've found the right one. She had to learn from the vet, right?

I

my vet's receiptionist! She's the one that I can ask those dumb totally stupid questions to and get an honest answer back, along with some humor so I don't feel like an idiot for asking!

GuinnessStout · 01-14-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cindersellie

When you start looking for a new vet, make sure you talk to the receiptionist. If she has great people skills, knows alot about dogs, along with the vet, then you've found the right one. She had to learn from the vet, right?

I

my vet's receiptionist! She's the one that I can ask those dumb totally stupid questions to and get an honest answer back, along with some humor so I don't feel like an idiot for asking!

See that is what sucks she is GREAT I spoke with her told her what I needed and why and that he was bringing her and I knew he would not know crap of what to ask... She had something come up and had to leave before he got there

Verbena · 01-14-2013, 05:31 PM

Wow I think it unanimous. . . A new vet is needed. That is crazy.

rubynrosie · 01-14-2013, 05:44 PM

And ummnm just the short while I've read posts you have written Alisha I hardly believe you feed those precious pups bad food...hrmmpphhh...time for a new vet!

southernbelle04 · 01-14-2013, 05:44 PM

I agree. I would seek a second opinion.

nanahas3 · 01-14-2013, 05:48 PM

We got Laddy at 9 weeks and our vet did all but the blood work. I didn't know about it at the time (hadn't found YT).

msyorktown · 01-14-2013, 06:41 PM

That vet suggested IAMS??

Good Lord....yup time for a new vet....

KendraE · 01-14-2013, 06:42 PM

OMG!! did he check to at least make sure she had 4 legs and a tail??? Sounds like he didnt do anything else!!

GuinnessStout · 01-14-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rubynrosie

And ummnm just the short while I've read posts you have written Alisha I hardly believe you feed those precious pups bad food...hrmmpphhh...time for a new vet!

I have yet to find anything bad about Taste of the Wild lol

Yorkiemom1 · 01-15-2013, 02:06 PM

How old is Stella? I am going to be shot at dawn for this, but I would hold off on dumping the vet idea....he can get an idea about heart beat and breath sounds....he can get some basic blood work, he can check for parasites and he can give a check of the knees and hips, but nothing definitive unless the pups legs are deformed....at young aage, knees are commonly "loose" and can definately tighten up.....but if you are looking
at blood work for liver function, I have pasted some information below....you go testing a baby at a very young age and start getting abnormal values, you get all nuts and in a panic, and it is actually normal for Yorkies to be weird with these lab results at a young age. Now, I dont know what you are feeding, but it can not possibly be worse than Iams or Science Diet....except for maybe Beneful!!! That vet is well within his frame of reference on all the extensive blood work you may have asked for....which is why breeders will give you AT LEAST a year to determine the presence of liver/heart/kidney issues....

"The simple test are inconclusive at best and there are no test at this time other than the invasive ones that can give an accurate diagnosis.
There are many many problems that can lead to liver dysfunction and some are not genetic so it's not as simple as to say to test every puppy for liver shunt because the test are not always accurate and they do not do a conclusive diagnosis of liver shunt but as to a liver dysfunction.. We all wish it was as simple as testing every puppy but it just isn't that simple. 28% of test to date have shown to be inaccurate for the diagnosis of liver shunt. Not very good odds when your condemning a puppy to more invasive measures or being put to sleep due to the cost of the more invasive treatments.
There has also been a concern as to using the inconclusive test on Yorkies since Yorkies have been found to NOT have a determined consistent acid bile level even in healthy unaffected specimens. Bile Acid Test - Serum Bile Acids - A Liver FUNCTION test, not an enzyme test. Performed by taking a blood sample, givng a meal, taking another blood sample 2 hour after the meal. The sample are then compared giving us an accurate measure of liver function. This does NOT give a CONCLUSIVE diagnosis of liver shunt only a reading of liver function. More invasive test would be needed for any diagnosis as to the liver problem.
Urine Acid Test - Ammonia tolerance testing - A urine test to determine existance of lvier disease. Could result in finding annomium biurate crystals. Not always accurate. More invasive test would be needed for any diagnosis as to the liver problem.
Blood Ammonia Value Test - Sensitive indicators: less reliable than Total Serum Bile acids because of analytic problems.
STOOL SAMPLE: A dog that has abnormal pigmented stool could indicate liver disease. Obstruction of the biliary system and normal bile pigments are not secreted to cause the normal dark color of stool.

There are different things that can be normal and yet these test results come back abnormal. Let the baby get older, say at least 6-8 months old, then do extensive blood testing. You can put more faith on the results you may get at that age.

01-14-2013, 02:34 PM	#17
GuinnessStout Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 4,289	Ryan said he 'everything appears fine" Well heck I appear find but my knees are shot!! __________________ Alisha mommy to Guinness Stout 7 & Stella Artois 5 & Teagan 4 Guinness & Stella proud Teapot Club Members

01-14-2013, 03:34 PM	#19
lynzy420 Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 7,652	Really? omg give me his number I will call and handle this...lmao You need a new vet...period. __________________ The Above advice/comments/reviews are my personal opinions based on my own experience/education/investigation and research and you can take them any way you want to......Or NOT!!!

01-14-2013, 03:40 PM	#20
Lovetodream88 Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md Posts: 23,249	I agree with the new vet thing too. __________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart!

01-14-2013, 03:52 PM	#21
cindersellie Tiny♥HoldsLotsOfLove Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,998	When you start looking for a new vet, make sure you talk to the receiptionist. If she has great people skills, knows alot about dogs, along with the vet, then you've found the right one. She had to learn from the vet, right? I my vet's receiptionist! She's the one that I can ask those dumb totally stupid questions to and get an honest answer back, along with some humor so I don't feel like an idiot for asking! __________________ Owned by Cinders

01-14-2013, 05:31 PM	#23
Verbena Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: with my flying monkeys Posts: 15,620 Blog Entries: 7	Wow I think it unanimous. . . A new vet is needed. That is crazy. __________________ Teri . . . Galen Jameson Frazier Seraphina Luna Rosencrantz, Saber Tooth Tiger, Pussy Willow Pandora Guildenstern

01-14-2013, 05:44 PM	#24
rubynrosie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: ada mn usa Posts: 1,362	And ummnm just the short while I've read posts you have written Alisha I hardly believe you feed those precious pups bad food...hrmmpphhh...time for a new vet! __________________ Bobbi and her two favorite girls...Ruby-Sioux and Rosie Too . We you Lola Marlene Bubbles

01-14-2013, 05:44 PM	#25
southernbelle04 Katie Scarlett's Mommy Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 7,554 Blog Entries: 1	I agree. I would seek a second opinion. __________________ Aymee & Katie Scarlett

01-14-2013, 05:48 PM	#26
nanahas3 ♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,290	We got Laddy at 9 weeks and our vet did all but the blood work. I didn't know about it at the time (hadn't found YT). __________________ *CharleneMama to Laddy and Kyra and Always in our hearts Lolita*

01-14-2013, 06:41 PM	#27
msyorktown ♥Love My 3 Furrbutts♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,912 Blog Entries: 2	That vet suggested IAMS?? Good Lord....yup time for a new vet.... __________________ Jacqui, mom to Raelle , Orion , Jersey and Gizmo https://www.facebook.com/PreciousPawzGroomingSpa http://jlevy.scentsy.ca

01-14-2013, 06:42 PM	#28
KendraE Hook Em! Bevo & Mack Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 3,752	OMG!! did he check to at least make sure she had 4 legs and a tail??? Sounds like he didnt do anything else!! __________________ Kendra Bevo and Mack & grandpups Bryleigh and Jaxon

01-15-2013, 02:06 PM	#30
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	How old is Stella? I am going to be shot at dawn for this, but I would hold off on dumping the vet idea....he can get an idea about heart beat and breath sounds....he can get some basic blood work, he can check for parasites and he can give a check of the knees and hips, but nothing definitive unless the pups legs are deformed....at young aage, knees are commonly "loose" and can definately tighten up.....but if you are looking at blood work for liver function, I have pasted some information below....you go testing a baby at a very young age and start getting abnormal values, you get all nuts and in a panic, and it is actually normal for Yorkies to be weird with these lab results at a young age. Now, I dont know what you are feeding, but it can not possibly be worse than Iams or Science Diet....except for maybe Beneful!!! That vet is well within his frame of reference on all the extensive blood work you may have asked for....which is why breeders will give you AT LEAST a year to determine the presence of liver/heart/kidney issues.... "The simple test are inconclusive at best and there are no test at this time other than the invasive ones that can give an accurate diagnosis. There are many many problems that can lead to liver dysfunction and some are not genetic so it's not as simple as to say to test every puppy for liver shunt because the test are not always accurate and they do not do a conclusive diagnosis of liver shunt but as to a liver dysfunction.. We all wish it was as simple as testing every puppy but it just isn't that simple. 28% of test to date have shown to be inaccurate for the diagnosis of liver shunt. Not very good odds when your condemning a puppy to more invasive measures or being put to sleep due to the cost of the more invasive treatments. There has also been a concern as to using the inconclusive test on Yorkies since Yorkies have been found to NOT have a determined consistent acid bile level even in healthy unaffected specimens. Bile Acid Test - Serum Bile Acids - A Liver FUNCTION test, not an enzyme test. Performed by taking a blood sample, givng a meal, taking another blood sample 2 hour after the meal. The sample are then compared giving us an accurate measure of liver function. This does NOT give a CONCLUSIVE diagnosis of liver shunt only a reading of liver function. More invasive test would be needed for any diagnosis as to the liver problem. Urine Acid Test - Ammonia tolerance testing - A urine test to determine existance of lvier disease. Could result in finding annomium biurate crystals. Not always accurate. More invasive test would be needed for any diagnosis as to the liver problem. Blood Ammonia Value Test - Sensitive indicators: less reliable than Total Serum Bile acids because of analytic problems. STOOL SAMPLE: A dog that has abnormal pigmented stool could indicate liver disease. Obstruction of the biliary system and normal bile pigments are not secreted to cause the normal dark color of stool. There are different things that can be normal and yet these test results come back abnormal. Let the baby get older, say at least 6-8 months old, then do extensive blood testing. You can put more faith on the results you may get at that age.