Who should breed Yorkies?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Now, if you were to be guaranteed that the yorkie you bought would be show potential or show quality and you get a pet quality, then you have every reason to be ticked. A good breeder would not guarantee that until the pup was much older. However, the average people that are looking for yorkies aren't necessarily looking for a show potential dog. They are looking for pets and that's what they get...especially at pet prices.

Yes yes! Exactly my point, only I couldn't figure out how to word it. I actually have a statement in my sales agreement that there is no guarantee that the puppy will meet show standards or be considered a good candidate to breed as an adult...just to cover everything

[BamaFan121s]

BTW...flyyorkies... Happy Birthday!

[wnalegria]

When I look through the posts I have to disagree with those that think that good representatives of the breed are priced more then a pet yorkie.

I look through my local paper- have gone to look at some of these 1-$1,800.00 puppies many of them come from folks who nothing about the breed. When asked about the price am told this is what we are charging beacuse other people around here are. Does not matter if the dog is AKC, UKC or Apri- just beacuse it is a yorkie they are going to get their share of the pie. They care nothing about the breed or the puppies. They are selling 6 week old puppies for more then a 12 week old baby from me who has had shots, been to the vet and has a health warranty. You see this everywhere in all the different breeds.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

When I look through the posts I have to disagree with those that think that good representatives of the breed are priced more then a pet yorkie.

I look through my local paper- have gone to look at some of these 1-$1,800.00 puppies many of them come from folks who nothing about the breed. When asked about the price am told this is what we are charging beacuse other people around here are. Does not matter if the dog is AKC, UKC or Apri- just beacuse it is a yorkie they are going to get their share of the pie. They care nothing about the breed or the puppies. They are selling 6 week old puppies for more then a 12 week old baby from me who has had shots, been to the vet and has a health warranty. You see this everywhere in all the different breeds.

You are absolutely right. That's why potential buys MUST do their homework including checking the place out.

[dawneo]

A reputable breeder will consider the over all soundness before breeding compared to the written standard, a trained eye will recognize the dogs visible and health faults. Unfortunately there are too many breeders breeding what ever they own never considering the written standard. Personally I would bet many breeders advertising in their local papers do not know the breed standard definition, unable to understand a pedigree and it's importance, even more detrimental lack the knowledge as to the dogs parentage.

This truly exceptional breed has become so dulited, faults are being bred into faults over and over again totally dismissing the standard. The standard was written as a guideline for all breeders to follow not a given few that have a conscience. Not exclusive to the show breeder but for all breeders to adopt.

[BamaFan121s]

Me no get.

[YorkyKids]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

When I look through the posts I have to disagree with those that think that good representatives of the breed are priced more then a pet yorkie.
I look through my local paper- have gone to look at some of these 1-$1,800.00 puppies many of them come from folks who nothing about the breed. When asked about the price am told this is what we are charging beacuse other people around here are. Does not matter if the dog is AKC, UKC or Apri- just beacuse it is a yorkie they are going to get their share of the pie. They care nothing about the breed or the puppies. They are selling 6 week old puppies for more then a 12 week old baby from me who has had shots, been to the vet and has a health warranty. You see this everywhere in all the different breeds.

I find this also in my area. Let me give some pet consumers a tip!! I have breeders friends all over the United States. Breeders one would consider quality breeders verus quanity. The going rate for a pet/companion Yorkie from a quality breeder is $800 to $1,500. IMO no matter the blood-line one should never have to pay more than that for a pet. Yes there are quality pets available for those prices. Beautiful specimens from quality parents! I think it is terrible when we see prices such as wnalegria describes. Price does not always denote quality!

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Me no get.

Basically, IMO, what dawneo is trying to say is that the breed standard should be followed by everyone, not just the show breeders and this person is right. There are too many faults out there that people are breeding...I'll say it, the BYB that just throw two yorkies together. Those BYB are trying to cash in on these yorkies and try to make a buck.

For instance, I have mentioned in the past about knowing a breeder that uses a bitch with an overbite and she bred him with a stud that was much larger, roached back, thin hair, long legged male because she is trying to make some money off of these dogs. To the potential buyer, they see a cute little pup that doesn't show these qualities, qualities that will show themselves months down the road. Does this breeder know what she's doing. YES, she does. She just doesn't care.

Dawneo, if I'm off base, I apologize. Just voicing my interpretation of what you have laid before us.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by YorkyKids

I find this also in my area. Let me give some pet consumers a tip!! I have breeders friends all over the United States. Breeders one would consider quality breeders verus quanity. The going rate for a pet/companion Yorkie from a quality breeder is $800 to $1,500. IMO no matter the blood-line one should never have to pay more than that for a pet. Yes there are quality pets available for those prices. Beautiful specimens from quality parents! I think it is terrible when we see prices such as wnalegria describes. Price does not always denote quality!

I agree! I've seen cute pups that have come from poor quality parents (yes, puppies are cute) that people have asked $1,000 - 1,200 for but at the same time, I've seen excellent quality pups for under $1,000.

[yorkiemom1970]

In my opinion there are 2 kinds of breeders...Good and Bad. Show or hobby is beside the point.

Here's my .2 : I do not offer my puppies to anyone for show quality for one reason: I do not show. Now I could go into many long and drawn out reasons for you why I don't but I'm not going to, my reasons are mine. I will say that I have considered it in the past, but I'm happy with my life the way it is at the moment. There are some pet quality yorkies sold every day that could become show dogs and there are show quality puppies sold as pet. It all depends on who you get them from. I know there isn't a yorkie in the world that would make it into the ring without the help of the breeder/handler prepping it's coat for months and months. Alot is involved to grow that show coat. I feel that alot of dogs aren't allowed to just be dogs when they have a hectic show schedule. I know a lady who doesn't have yorkies but another very long coated breed and her show dog is only allowed in one room of her home. She doesnt want the carpet damaging the bottom of this dog's coat. So it is confined to a downstairs room away from the family on a tile floor. I'm just not into all that. It's fine for some, and fun to watch them all do well with their dogs in the end, but it's not for everyone and it shouldnt be a pre-requisite for breeding. With my daughter hounding me to get into jr. handling, I may be faced with this someday whether I want it or not. I have to respect her for what she is interested in just like I respect others for their choices and interests while seeking the same respect for myself. This is not an easy thing to accomplish in the world of dogs. Too many breeders think they are above the rest and it's just always going to be that way. I think much differently. I enjoy the beauty and company of these dogs and thats why I breed. Titles are nice but not a must for me.

I've met different kinds of breeders in the past years. Show, hobby, BAD, good, you name it. All of these different types of folks made me realize the kind of breeder/person I wanted to be. I'm not going to follow the norm and do things one way because some high and mighty person told me I should. I'm also not going to raise my dogs in less than suitable environments because I saw some bad breeder doing it behind closed doors and making a small fortune. I'm just gonna raise my puppies my way for other people to love (including myself) It's what I do, it's who I am.

Who should breed? A person who loves animals in general, Soft hearted yet strong willed, Dedicated, Someone who could care less about a social life because you will lose that with your first litter, Someone who can understand that there are no experts only experience. Someone who is prepared to never stop learning. Somone who is a care-giver by nature.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

I look through my local paper- have gone to look at some of these 1-$1,800.00 puppies many of them come from folks who nothing about the breed. When asked about the price am told this is what we are charging beacuse other people around here are.

I disagree (I think) with this, but probably for a different reason. When Trixie had her pups, we checked on what others were selling for in our area. We started with a price slightly higher that the average, but not because we wanted to rip someone off or profit. Had we put an add for them in the paper, every Tom, Dick and Harry would be looking at them. I do not want these pups to go to what won't be a good home or a potential miller. I can imagine that these types of people would be more inclined to buy a Yorkie on the cheaper end of the asking price and therefore pass us by. Luckily, the new owners were all referred to us by people we have known for a long time and trust...a neighbor, our vet and my father's co-worker is getting one. Once we knew the people, knew about them and had talked to who'd referred them, we told them our REAL price.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Basically, IMO, what dawneo is trying to say is that the breed standard should be followed by everyone, not just the show breeders and this person is right. There are too many faults out there that people are breeding...I'll say it, the BYB that just throw two yorkies together. Those BYB are trying to cash in on these yorkies and try to make a buck.

For instance, I have mentioned in the past about knowing a breeder that uses a bitch with an overbite and she bred him with a stud that was much larger, roached back, thin hair, long legged male because she is trying to make some money off of these dogs. To the potential buyer, they see a cute little pup that doesn't show these qualities, qualities that will show themselves months down the road. Does this breeder know what she's doing. YES, she does. She just doesn't care.

Dawneo, if I'm off base, I apologize. Just voicing my interpretation of what you have laid before us.

Got ya...I'm a little slow today...preoccupied w/ other thoughts! I agree...you can't tell much from a puppy...they are all cute...that is why parent inspection/background is so important!

[BamaFan121s]

Well said yorkiemom1970...VERY well said.

[YorkyKids]

<There are some pet quality yorkies sold every day that could become show dogs and there are show quality puppies sold as pet.>snip

This statement makes me {{snicker}} every time I see it or something simular. Our most popular and outstanding Yorkshire Terrier was sold as a PET. Yep his name was Multi BIS Ch Cede Higgins. He was purchased as a Christmas present by Charles Switzer for his wife Barbara. The Switzer's later bred under the kennel name "Barbie". As Cede matured it became apparent he was much more than a pet. The Switzer's daughter Marlene developed a VERY special bond with Cede and she became his handler. Cede and Marlene were destined to reach all time heights for the Yorkshire Terrier. A record breaking pair! Cede's record BIS win record was only recently surpassed by CH Sterling's Wildcard O'Marne aka "Oliver". But no other Yorkie has matched Cede's Best In Show win at Westminster in 1978!

<She doesnt want the carpet damaging the bottom of this dog's coat. >snip
I have NO CARPET. Ripped it out years ago for the comfort of the Yorkies. I too believe they are pets first..showdogs second!

<Who should breed? A person who loves animals in general, Soft hearted yet strong willed, Dedicated, Someone who could care less about a social life because you will lose that with your first litter, Someone who can understand that there are no experts only experience. Someone who is prepared to never stop learning. Somone who is a care-giver by nature.>snip

So true! My hubby and I have not been on any vacations or family functions TOGETHER in years. We vacation separately. And no matter the family function...holiday, funeral, wedding etc. Only one of us go. Someone is always home with the dogs. We truely lead a "dog's life" ROFL

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by YorkyKids

<There are some pet quality yorkies sold every day that could become show dogs and there are show quality puppies sold as pet.>snip

This statement makes me {{snicker}} every time I see it or something simular. Our most popular and outstanding Yorkshire Terrier was sold as a PET.

Umm...I think she was referring to physical attributes, not temperament?