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aliciagee 10-25-2012 10:57 PM
does your fur baby have papers?
 
Ok this might be a weird question but do you care about your baby being papered or not? My little swayzee Nash is papered but I'm debating on whether or not to send the paper in. I really don't care she's my baby even if she didn't have them I just wondered how many people sent in their papers and if it even mattered? I know she's purebred is that all they are basically saying? Lol I'm sorry if I'm confusing I have confused myself lol

ilovejoel 10-25-2012 11:38 PM
Well that makes two of us lol, im also confused. I think Joel has papers but theres a box checked saying he was sold for a pet not for showing, I didnt send anything in though. whatever, I dunno.lol

chachi 10-26-2012 12:25 AM
If they arent AKC it doesnt matter if they are AKC you should support the registry

BabyGirl Rosie 10-26-2012 02:52 AM
I have one registered and one not registered. It didn't matter to me either way. However, I did send Rosie's paperwork in. I sent it in because my SIL, who was the breeder, told me to. Lol.

Sweet Girls 10-26-2012 03:27 AM
To start with let me preface this with as a Canadian, my dogs are registered with CKC (equivilent to AKC)...and they are pets so; I don't care per se, but my breeder registered Georgie and then I received her paperwork afterwards. Georgie's microchip is also CKC registered, so that if she got found and someone called the CKC, they would be able to direct them to me. When I rescued Charlee, I had her owner surrendered papers including her CKC papers so I was able to call the CKC and have her listed as now living with me. Because she came through rescue and not directly to me from her owner apparently I can't be listed as her new "owner"...however; she is tagged to me and my address if she ever turns up after being lost...Which reminds me, I'm moving and better add them (CKC) to my list of "change of address" information!

jeane 10-26-2012 04:26 AM
morgan came with akc registration papers to send in but i never sent them in since I was not going to show him and anyway he was sold with a spay/neuter contract// regardless i was going to neuter him and i wanted him as a pet and he is the love of my life

GuinnessStout 10-26-2012 05:21 AM
Mine is and I keep his card in my wallet along with his ESA card.

AngelFae 10-26-2012 05:59 AM
We registered our GSP and I love the lineage line (ancestry) that we recieved but other than that I don't think that it matters that he has papers. He isn't a show dog, we didn't stud him out, and he hunts for fun, not competitively- he's "just" our pet. I am glad to support the AKC registry, however, so I don't "regret" sending his papers in. Blazer doens't have papers because he isn't purebred.

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 06:22 AM
I know i might get step on my head for this but, I learn with a couple I met that it matters, a former nanny took their silky (not mine) they adopted from me years after ,this was years ago when we did not have the microchip, and she said that that was her dog, they took her to court, and because they had registered the dog ,proof of ownership was the registration papers, I don't remember what kind of lesser registry it was but it help the couple claim their puppy back, so even if not AKC, my take is that registration with any registry can proof ownership, same with the microchip registration. if you don't show still important to have proof that that dog is YOURS... just my take on it..I had never thought about registrations on that note but now I do...is proof that you OWN that dog.. specially now that dognappings are on the rise.. think about it it makes sense, with microchip and registration papers is NO doubt that , the dog is YOURS..
hugs,

chachi 10-26-2012 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 4041228)
I know i might get step on my head for this but, I learn with a couple I met that it matters, a former nanny took their silky (not mine) they adopted from me years after ,this was years ago when we did not have the microchip, and she said that that was her dog, they took her to court, and because they had registered the dog ,proof of ownership was the registration papers, I don't remember what kind of lesser registry it was but it help the couple claim their puppy back, so even if not AKC, my take is that registration with any registry can proof ownership, same with the microchip registration. if you don't show still important to have proof that that dog is YOURS... just my take on it..I had never thought about registrations on that note but now I do...is proof that you OWN that dog.. specially now that dognappings are on the rise.. think about it it makes sense, with microchip and registration papers is NO doubt that , the dog is YOURS..
hugs,
I had not thought of it that way but I think your right even with the lesser registrys you would still have proof of ownership which is important

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 06:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4041245)
I had not thought of it that way but I think your right even with the lesser registrys you would still have proof of ownership which is important
I know it did not occured to me before they came to adopt from me, and told me the story, they said it was horrible they trust this person with their kids and one day, she just took off with the dog..:eek:, their children were distroyed, inmagine if they had no proof the dog was theirs, even the Vet was doubtful because they send her to take the dogs to the vet ,so the poor vet and staff, was confused, then they remember that the dog was registered to them, and the judge made her give the dog back. thanks to the registration papers. so lesson learned, you must have proof that that dog is YOURS...
oh, and I did a little research if you don't register the dog is still register to the breeder.. and that includes the AKC..
hugs,

gemy 10-26-2012 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Girls (Post 4041152)
To start with let me preface this with as a Canadian, my dogs are registered with CKC (equivilent to AKC)...and they are pets so; I don't care per se, but my breeder registered Georgie and then I received her paperwork afterwards. Georgie's microchip is also CKC registered, so that if she got found and someone called the CKC, they would be able to direct them to me. When I rescued Charlee, I had her owner surrendered papers including her CKC papers so I was able to call the CKC and have her listed as now living with me. Because she came through rescue and not directly to me from her owner apparently I can't be listed as her new "owner"...however; she is tagged to me and my address if she ever turns up after being lost...Which reminds me, I'm moving and better add them (CKC) to my list of "change of address" information!
With the CKC here in Canada, all CKC breeders, automatically register their litters when born, and we are required once the pups are sold, to send in the change of ownership paperwork to the CKC, which of course registers the pup to the new owner. The new owner will get the official pedigree paperwork from the CKC after about 4-6wks. Also most of us use the CKC microchip program as well.
The new owner unlike in the States has no paperwork to send in.

avemike 10-26-2012 07:05 AM
Registration papers..
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aliciagee (Post 4041113)
Ok this might be a weird question but do you care about your baby being papered or not? My little swayzee Nash is papered but I'm debating on whether or not to send the paper in. I really don't care she's my baby even if she didn't have them I just wondered how many people sent in their papers and if it even mattered? I know she's purebred is that all they are basically saying? Lol I'm sorry if I'm confusing I have confused myself lol
Hi..Funny I was just deliberating the same thing..I have just received my baby's papers this week & wondered about sending them in..it wasn't so important to me either as she is just my lovable pet & I dont intend showing her..but I wondered if I don't register her in my name doesn't that mean that she is still registered in her breeders name and therefore I don't own her legally? Confused about that? But point taken with everyone's comments about her being lost or stolen it would be another way to prove she is mine should she be found..she is micro-chipped as well. Ax:aimeeyork

GuinnessStout 10-26-2012 07:08 AM
A male friend of mine had an issue kind of like that where his dog's papers proved the dog was his before he got into a relationship with his girlfriend that tried to claim the dog was hers when they broke up.

Since Guinness is CKC they have the ID card which to me is great, we travel a lot so if anything ever happens I have my furchilds ID card just like you do for kids... which list his name a picture of him and his chip number so no mater where I am as long as I have my ID I also have his.

McheleM 10-26-2012 07:43 AM
All 3 of mine are registered with the AKC in MY name only. I'm glad I did this because, I don't think my husband would ever try to take them, but if he did, I have ownership papers, along with microchip information showing the belong to ME and ME alone. He may have paid for them, but I am the one who cleand up after them, bathes them, walks them and takes care of them. He lost any rights to them when he walked out on me during the middle of cancer and chemo.

CouversMom 10-26-2012 07:44 AM
My male has his AKC papers. The only reason I sent them in was to support the registry. My female isn't registered with any registry and I couldn't care any less :p Papers don't mean much to me because I plan on keeping my dogs as pets... Not showing or breeding them.

gloriajean 10-26-2012 09:10 AM
My dog..
 
i gave my sister a female yorkie with the understanding she would get her spayed, well after 1 year she wsn't spayed and I told her i was going to take the dog back, she wasn't interested in breeding her or anything like that she just didn't want her to be to sleep , I understood her worries but i had the paper work proving she was mine and when i reminded her of that the dog got spayed right away.

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 10:01 AM
I registered Joey with the AKC because I believe in what they are doing and what they are trying to accomplish, I think not only breeders should support them, but also pet owners. Our money is used for many good things including search and rescue, and kennel inspections. The AKC is the only registry in the USA that does routine unannounced inspections. I would not support a breeder who registered with one of the "paper" registries and I certainly wouldn’t register my dog with them. I believe that they encourage people to illegally breed. People who have no breeding rights can register their offspring with them. Since they will register anything, I don't see how that would stand up as "proof" in any court of law. You don't even have to have a dog to register it with them. Microchip if you want proof!

chachi 10-26-2012 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4041381)
I registered Joey with the AKC because I believe in what they are doing and what they are trying to accomplish, I think not only breeders should support them, but also pet owners. Our money is used for many good things including search and rescue, and kennel inspections. The AKC is the only registry in the USA that does routine unannounced inspections. I would not support a breeder who registered with one of the "paper" registries and I certainly wouldn’t register my dog with them. I believe that they encourage people to illegally breed. People who have no breeding rights can register their offspring with them. Since they will register anything, I don't see how that would stand up as "proof" in any court of law. You don't even have to have a dog to register it with them. Microchip if you want proof!
Nancy I believe in akc Too but i dont see the harm in registering with the alternatives as proof of ownership. a judge doesnt know or care what the registry registers they would just see it as they bought a yorkie registered with that registry. Not everyone likes to microchip

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4041438)
Nancy I believe in akc Too but i dont see the harm in registering with the alternatives as proof of ownership. a judge doesnt know or care what the registry registers they would just see it as they bought a yorkie registered with that registry. Not everyone likes to microchip
you just took the words out of my fingers..:p, proof of ownership is just that, proof of ownership, not lineage, pedigree, etc.. but we know that is a LOT of dogs registered with the lesser registries, and I do believe now that proof of ownership is important, microchip is good but not everyone does, that is why MY puppies leave my HOME with a microchip already implanted. if they don't want one so one of my puppies is out of the question. Education in ownership of a dog should be part of a good breeder talk to their posible parents. I did to Zoey's and they never did register her so my new policy is I register the chip for them and just will charge them the fee.. starting with this new litter..
hugs,

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 4041443)
you just took the words out of my fingers..:p, proof of ownership is just that, proof of ownership, not lineage, pedigree, etc.. but we know that is a LOT of dogs registered with the lesser registries, and I do believe now that proof of ownership is important, microchip is good but not everyone does, that is why MY puppies leave my HOME with a microchip already implanted. if they don't want one so one of my puppies is out of the question. Education in ownership of a dog should be part of a good breeder talk to their posible parents. I did to Zoey's and they never did register her so my new policy is I register the chip for them and just will charge them the fee.. starting with this new litter..
hugs,
I really don't understand, how would registering the dog with the Continetial Kennel Club prove ownership? You can register a table with them and say it's a dog.

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 12:18 PM
I have never registered a table with them but I take your word for it, but in the case of the Pledgman family, I am not sure but I think their silky Tink came from a store and it was APRI, now this is me guessing, ok, they were able to show that that dog of that description belong to them, and the judge gave them the dog back, I have no reason to doubt their story, so I beleive it.
I guess is the same that I can proof I live in my address by showing an unopen letter with my name on it, to motor vehicle.
as long as they show proof that a dog of that description was sold to them and registered to by JOE SMOE , with their name and address printed on, is proof of ownership. And the same way we register the chips on the dogs proof they are ours...
hugs,

tinalove 10-26-2012 12:19 PM
Both of my girls have AKC papers. When I registered Khloe this year, I also opted to get her pedigree . I often wonder about the AKC papers because I once heard its just means they are registered. I think all of us here will say it doesn't matter. I would not love my girls any less if they didn't have papers.

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 12:24 PM
Well in my humble opinion those papers also proof that your dogs are YOURS in case anything would happen..
that is why I tell my puppy parents is important to register their dogs so they can proof is their dog. I better be safe than sorry in an emergency..
hugs,

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 4041456)
I have never registered a table with them but I take your word for it, but in the case of the Pledgman family, I am not sure but I think their silky Tink came from a store and it was APRI, now this is me guessing, ok, they were able to show that that dog of that description belong to them, and the judge gave them the dog back, I have no reason to doubt their story, so I beleive it.
I guess is the same that I can proof I live in my address by showing an unopen letter with my name on it, to motor vehicle.
as long as they show proof that a dog of that description was sold to them and registered to by JOE SMOE , with their name and address printed on, is proof of ownership. And the same way we register the chips on the dogs proof they are ours...
hugs,
Yeah, but you don't really know why the judge gave the dog back, I really doubt it simply because they registered with APRI, and that is the registry that offers free registration to commercial breeders, I hope no pet owner gives them any money at all. Pictures, vet records, registration with county and rabies vaccine all would give you more proof. If we give these paper registries money, we are supporting and approving of them.

Teresa Ford 10-26-2012 01:21 PM
Why registering is important.
# 1 Like a bill of sale, registry papers prove ownership (wow do I hate that word ownership, like Yorkies are a sofa or pair of shoes)
# 2 Pparticipation in some AKC events, is only open to registered dogs.
# 3 Rregistration fees support many programs
# 4 Breeding programs must keep precise records and pedigrees, registries do this

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 01:26 PM
LOL, I just realized is like our kids birth certificate...LOL ok, yes, look at the registration papers as the dogs birth certificate where it shows their name and yours to proof that like your skin kids they belong to you.. better than proof of ownership..LOL

aliciagee 10-26-2012 01:31 PM
my breeder told me also to get them but im kinda like im not going to breed im not gonna show her so why so important but since u all have made a point about proof of ownership i think i will just to know she will always be mine. no one can claim her. thank godness! i just didnt wanna be the one missing out

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4041438)
Nancy I believe in akc Too but i dont see the harm in registering with the alternatives as proof of ownership. a judge doesnt know or care what the registry registers they would just see it as they bought a yorkie registered with that registry. Not everyone likes to microchip
I didn't see your reply. I do believe that the alternative registries are harmful, because they allow breeders with no breeding rights to register their puppies. This is the same as thief, they were sold dogs with no breeding right, but breed them anyway. This in turn, prompts some breeders to neuter much too early, which can be harmful to dogs. Secondly, anyone who buys a dog from these alternative registries may breed them and we all know that not every dog should be bred. So this causes even more backyard breeding. Thirdly, these registries, especially the ones founded by the commercial breeders have no real kennel inspections; it's like the wolf guarding the chicken coop. I strongly believe that no one should support these registries, and some of them, with their look-alike names, for example, the Continental Kennel Club chose their name so that they would be mistaken for the reputable, Canadian Kennel Club, and I’m sure this was merely to deceive the puppy buyer. Most breeders give a bill of sale, and this should prove ownership.

chachi 10-26-2012 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4041520)
I didn't see your reply. I do believe that the alternative registries are harmful, because they allow breeders with no breeding rights to register their puppies. This is the same as thief, they were sold dogs with no breeding right, but breed them anyway. This in turn, prompts some breeders to neuter much too early, which can be harmful to dogs. Secondly, anyone who buys a dog from these alternative registries may breed them and we all know that not every dog should be bred. So this causes even more backyard breeding. Thirdly, these registries, especially the ones founded by the commercial breeders have no real kennel inspections; it's like the wolf guarding the chicken coop. I strongly believe that no one should support these registries, and some of them, with their look-alike names, for example, the Continental Kennel Club chose their name so that they would be mistaken for the reputable, Canadian Kennel Club, and I’m sure this was merely to deceive the puppy buyer. Most breeders give a bill of sale, and this should prove ownership.
How many people keep their bill of sale I didnt. Also the money that they get from pet owners is peanuts they make their money from the breeders. It is the breeders registering withthese registries thats the problem not the pet owners


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